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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 3, 2009 14:19:35 GMT -5
I mean despite having the largest actual attendance I believe of any Wrestlemania (even surpassing WM III's actual attendance, but not their reported one), the card just seemed overall really weak. Where would you rank it amongst the Wrestlemanias?
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 3, 2009 14:25:43 GMT -5
Pretty high really, the match quality was pretty high and well I liked most of the matches.
Money in the Bank, Taker/Batista, Cena/HBK, Lashley/Umaga, were pretty darn good.
JBL's commentary was also awesome
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Post by azz0r on Jan 3, 2009 14:25:57 GMT -5
Ric Flair and Carlito defeated Gregory Helms and Chavo Guerrero
Mr. Kennedy defeated Edge, CM Punk, King Booker (managed by Queen Sharmell), Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Finlay and Randy Orton
The Great Khali defeated Kane
Chris Benoit (c) defeated Montel Vontavious Porter
The Undertaker defeated Batista (c)
The ECW Originals (Tommy Dreamer, Sabu, The Sandman and Rob Van Dam) defeated The New Breed (Elijah Burke, Marcus Cor Von, Matt Striker and Kevin Thorn) (managed by Ariel)
Bobby Lashley (managed by Donald Trump) defeated Umaga (managed by Vince McMahon and Armando Alejandro Estrada)
Melina (c) defeated Ashley
John Cena (c) defeated Shawn Michaels
Not a bad card at all imho
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 3, 2009 14:28:36 GMT -5
Not a bad card at all really, I personally stopped caring after Batista/Taker as to me that was MOTN and the crowd seemed more pumped for that than Cena/HBK.
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Post by Mac on Jan 3, 2009 14:29:54 GMT -5
I mean despite having the largest actual attendance I believe of any Wrestlemania (even surpassing WM III's actual attendance, but not their reported one), the card just seemed overall really weak. Where would you rank it amongst the Wrestlemanias? Ever since 20 they've all been kinda running together. I need to refresh myself on the matches Wrestlemania XXIII Money in the Bank - Ladder Match Edge vs. CM Punk vs. King Booker (w/Queen Sharmell) vs. Jeff Hardy vs. Mr. Kennedy vs. Matt Hardy vs. Finlay vs. Randy Orton Single Match The Great Khali vs. Kane WWE United States Championship Chris Benoit (c) vs. Montel Vontavious Porter Howard Finkel introduced the WWE Hall of Fame class of 2007: Jim Ross, Jerry "The King" Lawler, Nick Bockwinkel, Mr. Fuji, "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes, The Wild Samoans (Afa and Sika), "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig e The Sheik World Heavyweight Championship Batista vs. The Undertaker Eight-Man Tag Team Match The ECW Originals (Tommy Dreamer, Sabu, The Sandman and Rob Van Dam) vs. The New Breed (Elijah Burke, Marcus Cor Von, Matt Striker and Kevin Thorn) (w/Ariel) (6:25) Van Dam pinned Striker after a Five-Star Frog Splash Battle of the Billionaires - Hair vs. Hair match (w/Steve Austin as Special Guest Referee) Bobby Lashley (w/Donald Trump) vs. Umaga (w/Vince McMahon and Armando Alejandro Estrada) Lumberjill match - WWE Women's Championship Melina (c) vs. Ashley Massaro WWE Championship John Cena (c) vs. Shawn Michaels Pretty much what we've been looking at for the most part the past 3 years with a few tweaks here and there. But for as bad as you think that is I give you... Results Stipulations Times Dark Paul Roma defeated The Brooklyn Brawler. Singles match n/a 1 Rick Martel defeated Koko B. Ware. Singles match 03:51 2 Demolition (Ax and Smash) defeated The Colossal Connection (André the Giant and Haku) (c) (with Bobby Heenan). Tag team match for the WWF Tag Team Championship 09:30 3 Earthquake (with Jimmy Hart) defeated Hercules. Singles match 04:52 4 Brutus Beefcake defeated Mr. Perfect (with The Genius). Singles match 07:48 5 Roddy Piper and Bad News Brown fought to a double countout. Singles match 06:48 6 The Hart Foundation (Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart) defeated The Bolsheviks (Nikolai Volkoff and Boris Zhukov). Tag team match 00:19 7 The Barbarian (with Bobby Heenan) defeated Tito Santana. Singles match 04:33 8 Dusty Rhodes and Sapphire (with Miss Elizabeth) defeated Randy Savage and Sensational Queen Sherri. Mixed tag team match 07:52 9 The Orient Express (Sato and Tanaka) (with Mr. Fuji) defeated The Rockers (Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty). Tag team match 07:38 10 Jim Duggan defeated Dino Bravo (with Jimmy Hart and Earthquake). Singles match 04:15 11 Ted DiBiase (c) (with Virgil) defeated Jake Roberts by countout. Singles match for the Million Dollar Championship 11:50 12 The Big Boss Man defeated Akeem (with Slick). Singles match 01:49 13 Rick Rude (with Bobby Heenan) defeated Jimmy Snuka. Singles match 03:59 14 The Ultimate Warrior defeated Hulk Hogan. Singles match for the WWF Intercontinental Championship and WWF Championship 22:51 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2009 14:31:45 GMT -5
Not a bad card at all really, I personally stopped caring after Batista/Taker as to me that was MOTN and the crowd seemed more pumped for that than Cena/HBK. I hope we don't get any more ridiculous entrances from Cena...that in and of itself really made me, at least, lose interest in it. I know that may sound stupid, but it was the entrance equivalent of nuking the fridge that just really threw me off. I suppose it's not as bad as the time he came from the spaceship, but who knows, he may try something even more over the top next time. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 3, 2009 14:32:04 GMT -5
Ric Flair and Carlito defeated Gregory Helms and Chavo Guerrero Mr. Kennedy defeated Edge, CM Punk, King Booker (managed by Queen Sharmell), Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Finlay and Randy Orton The Great Khali defeated Kane Chris Benoit (c) defeated Montel Vontavious Porter The Undertaker defeated Batista (c) The ECW Originals (Tommy Dreamer, Sabu, The Sandman and Rob Van Dam) defeated The New Breed (Elijah Burke, Marcus Cor Von, Matt Striker and Kevin Thorn) (managed by Ariel) Bobby Lashley (managed by Donald Trump) defeated Umaga (managed by Vince McMahon and Armando Alejandro Estrada) Melina (c) defeated Ashley John Cena (c) defeated Shawn Michaels Not a bad card at all imho Yeah, but comparatively, I don't think it holds water with a lot of other cards. Especially because there are no real (or very few at best) Wrestlemania moments. Cena and Michaels went on to overshadow their match shortly after, with another one on Raw, the Batista/Undertaker feud continued, and Benoit/MVP had a series of bettter matches. It was really telling, when they had the crosscutting of WM III and WM XXIII moments at the end, when they showed Hulk Hogan slamming Andrea followed by Kane slamming Khali. If anyone thinks Kane slamming Khali can stand up to perhaps the most well known moment in wrestling history, then sir, I'll eat my hat. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 3, 2009 14:38:41 GMT -5
I mean despite having the largest actual attendance I believe of any Wrestlemania (even surpassing WM III's actual attendance, but not their reported one), the card just seemed overall really weak. Where would you rank it amongst the Wrestlemanias? Ever since 20 they've all been kinda running together. I need to refresh myself on the matches Wrestlemania XXIII Money in the Bank - Ladder Match Edge vs. CM Punk vs. King Booker (w/Queen Sharmell) vs. Jeff Hardy vs. Mr. Kennedy vs. Matt Hardy vs. Finlay vs. Randy Orton Single Match The Great Khali vs. Kane WWE United States Championship Chris Benoit (c) vs. Montel Vontavious Porter Howard Finkel introduced the WWE Hall of Fame class of 2007: Jim Ross, Jerry "The King" Lawler, Nick Bockwinkel, Mr. Fuji, "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes, The Wild Samoans (Afa and Sika), "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig e The Sheik World Heavyweight Championship Batista vs. The Undertaker Eight-Man Tag Team Match The ECW Originals (Tommy Dreamer, Sabu, The Sandman and Rob Van Dam) vs. The New Breed (Elijah Burke, Marcus Cor Von, Matt Striker and Kevin Thorn) (w/Ariel) (6:25) Van Dam pinned Striker after a Five-Star Frog Splash Battle of the Billionaires - Hair vs. Hair match (w/Steve Austin as Special Guest Referee) Bobby Lashley (w/Donald Trump) vs. Umaga (w/Vince McMahon and Armando Alejandro Estrada) Lumberjill match - WWE Women's Championship Melina (c) vs. Ashley Massaro WWE Championship John Cena (c) vs. Shawn Michaels Pretty much what we've been looking at for the most part the past 3 years with a few tweaks here and there. But for as bad as you think that is I give you... Results Stipulations Times Dark Paul Roma defeated The Brooklyn Brawler. Singles match n/a 1 Rick Martel defeated Koko B. Ware. Singles match 03:51 2 Demolition (Ax and Smash) defeated The Colossal Connection (André the Giant and Haku) (c) (with Bobby Heenan). Tag team match for the WWF Tag Team Championship 09:30 3 Earthquake (with Jimmy Hart) defeated Hercules. Singles match 04:52 4 Brutus Beefcake defeated Mr. Perfect (with The Genius). Singles match 07:48 5 Roddy Piper and Bad News Brown fought to a double countout. Singles match 06:48 6 The Hart Foundation (Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart) defeated The Bolsheviks (Nikolai Volkoff and Boris Zhukov). Tag team match 00:19 7 The Barbarian (with Bobby Heenan) defeated Tito Santana. Singles match 04:33 8 Dusty Rhodes and Sapphire (with Miss Elizabeth) defeated Randy Savage and Sensational Queen Sherri. Mixed tag team match 07:52 9 The Orient Express (Sato and Tanaka) (with Mr. Fuji) defeated The Rockers (Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty). Tag team match 07:38 10 Jim Duggan defeated Dino Bravo (with Jimmy Hart and Earthquake). Singles match 04:15 11 Ted DiBiase (c) (with Virgil) defeated Jake Roberts by countout. Singles match for the Million Dollar Championship 11:50 12 The Big Boss Man defeated Akeem (with Slick). Singles match 01:49 13 Rick Rude (with Bobby Heenan) defeated Jimmy Snuka. Singles match 03:59 14 The Ultimate Warrior defeated Hulk Hogan. Singles match for the WWF Intercontinental Championship and WWF Championship 22:51 Again, not saying its the worst, or even that I think it ranks close to the worst, but in terms of what it could have been and what it delivered, it just felt like a disappointment. Even with Wrestlemania VI you had Ultimate Warrior vs. Hulk Hogan, which ranks above any WM XXIII moment IMHO. Also WM cards of old were set up differently in a way that at least in some ways to me was more appealing as it showcased all the major players of the roster. While this meant shorter matches, time was allotted for the more main event caliber stuff. Although admittedly this would not work today, as even the short WM matches of old, were typically against two name wrestlers (even if it was a name like Koko B. Ware) during a time when name wrestlers mostly wrestled jobbers during the rest of the year. |
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Post by Mr. Nice on Jan 3, 2009 14:38:50 GMT -5
The Money in the Bank featured alot of great wrestlers but i think Flair and Carlito should have been there instead of Randy and Edge (who should have fought each other on the card). MVP vs Benoit was match of the night with Batista vs Undertaker behind.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 3, 2009 14:40:14 GMT -5
I thought 23 was a pretty good card, myself. Not one of the best, but far from the worst.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 3, 2009 14:41:33 GMT -5
The Money in the Bank featured alot of great wrestlers but i think Flair and Carlito should have been there instead of Randy and Edge (who should have fought each other on the card). MVP vs Benoit was match of the night with Batista vs Undertaker behind. I agree with putting Randy vs. Edge on the card instead of in the MITB, but I probably would have left Flair and Carlito out of it as well. Eight people seems like too much in that match, whereas six is more appropriate. |
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 3, 2009 14:43:44 GMT -5
The Money in the Bank featured alot of great wrestlers but i think Flair and Carlito should have been there instead of Randy and Edge (who should have fought each other on the card). MVP vs Benoit was match of the night with Batista vs Undertaker behind. MVP/Benoit was nowhere near the quality or heat of Batista/Undertaker. I'm sorry there's no way Benoit/MVP was better, though MVP's entrance was more awesome than Batista's that's about all that was better. |
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Post by Mr. Nice on Jan 3, 2009 14:51:23 GMT -5
The Money in the Bank featured alot of great wrestlers but i think Flair and Carlito should have been there instead of Randy and Edge (who should have fought each other on the card). MVP vs Benoit was match of the night with Batista vs Undertaker behind. MVP/Benoit was nowhere near the quality or heat of Batista/Undertaker. I'm sorry there's no way Benoit/MVP was better, though MVP's entrance was more awesome than Batista's that's about all that was better. Taker vs Batista was obviously a bigger deal but you have Benoit, one of the greatest in the business against a Cocky, Brash up and comer who never done crap to get the treatment he was getting before hand face him in one of the best Wrestlemania matches ever. Did you honestly expect MVP to break out a match like that at the time? No one did. The overall wrestling was better IMO. |
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Post by MGH on Jan 3, 2009 14:53:10 GMT -5
The Money in the Bank featured alot of great wrestlers but i think Flair and Carlito should have been there instead of Randy and Edge (who should have fought each other on the card). MVP vs Benoit was match of the night with Batista vs Undertaker behind. MVP/Benoit was nowhere near the quality or heat of Batista/Undertaker. I'm sorry there's no way Benoit/MVP was better, though MVP's entrance was more awesome than Batista's that's about all that was better. I thought it was better. Personal taste. I really ended up enjoying Wrestlemania 23. There was a ton of good on the card. Shawn/Cena was the best of the night for me, with Benoit/MVP and MITB behind that. Batista/Taker was solid, Lashley/Umaga was the shenanigans match and it was good for what it was. Not the best Mania, but I got a ton of enjoyment out of it. |
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Post by Well, Youre Wrong on Jan 3, 2009 15:06:25 GMT -5
I think WM 23 is one of those shows that people will appreciate more as it ages. It might be the best 'Mania but it was a solid, enjoyable show.
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Post by boxieness on Jan 3, 2009 15:06:36 GMT -5
I feel like in this day in age it's very hard to go on last at mania because there is already so much that has gone on before it! If you go back and pop in the dvd and just watch michales and cena it's a good match, after the whole card though I agree it's a little weak.
I personally loved Batista/ Taker because at the titme that was arguably when the Batista hate for me was at it's highest I used to love watching a tista ppv match so I can root hard agianst batista and it did not dissapoint!
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Post by Bishblast on Jan 3, 2009 15:18:19 GMT -5
I thought X8 and XXII were weaker cards.
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Post by Garee on Jan 3, 2009 15:19:54 GMT -5
I didn't think it was a bad card at all
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Post by Agent P on Jan 3, 2009 16:22:37 GMT -5
WrestleMania III was 78,000 and 23 was 74,000.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 3, 2009 16:42:52 GMT -5
22 looked much weaker on paper and didn't turn out as strong as 23 did.
The entire PPV is basically made by Mickie/Trish and Edge/Foley. Little else really did much for me.
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