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Post by greeby on Dec 28, 2008 20:52:38 GMT -5
The link to the interview is here www.wwe.com/magazine/3012324/KellyOne thing that sets her apart is her respect for the more experienced women. In all the matches she had against Victoria, she never beat her until the one on Raw before Survivor Series this year. Matter of fact, in her last match on ECW she was the one putting Victoria over with this nasty bump at 5:10 (WARNING: Contains Adamle commentary) uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wpvlucuJrL0Contrast to the McCoolbot who in my view is all take, take, take and give nothing back.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 28, 2008 21:13:18 GMT -5
I heard a lot about Kelly Kelly from when she first started out. Sandman loved her, said she was all ears, no mouth, and extremely respectful. Both of Sandman's sons have crushes on Kelly too. Francine was her travel partner and roomed with her a lot, and loved her too.
Test as well was very influential for her, as he taught her ettiquette and being respectful. A lot of the problems with her weren't her fault, like, the bad matches were the fault of people putting her out on tv before she was ready.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Dec 28, 2008 21:17:03 GMT -5
Contrast to the McCoolbot who in my view is all Taker, Taker, Taker Fixed
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Dec 28, 2008 21:17:34 GMT -5
I respect her for the hard work she has put in, but she still is the same hideously ugly personality on the screen who has horrible matches. I'm not a fan yet.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 28, 2008 21:21:29 GMT -5
I think honestly, there are two separate dues scales. One for the men, and the other for the women. I mean, how many "dues" do you think Trish Stratus paid? Trish was a fitness model before getting hired, not really any different than Kelly. She earned her stripes by taking beatings from the other divas like Jaqueline and Ivory, and then table bumps from the Dudleyz. Kelly got beat to crap every night on the house show circuit by Jazz, and took cane shots from Sandman. I'd say they're on equal ground.
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Dec 28, 2008 21:29:30 GMT -5
I think people are looking into "paying your dues" way too much. Its not about riding in a car without AC or crap like that. Hazing is just stupid period. Shes worked hard to improve and been with the company a decent amount of time. And at the end of the day thats all that really matters.
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Post by Hypnotix on Dec 28, 2008 21:31:17 GMT -5
yep shes had sex with batista so she is good to go LOL- she has really come on leaps and bounds in her wrestling good for her Lets not forget Mike Knox. That's paying your dues.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 28, 2008 21:43:38 GMT -5
I think people are looking into "paying your dues" way too much. Its not about riding in a car without AC or crap like that. Hazing is just stupid period. Shes worked hard to improve and been with the company a decent amount of time. And at the end of the day thats all that really matters. I agree. I don't like the mentality that because the people that came before you had it harder, then you are somehow less than they are. Randy Orton had a pretty easy road to the WWE, but if you mean to tell me that he's not as good as someone like Hardcore Holly just because Holly "paid more dues" then that's just ridiculous. Orton has worked hard to get to the level he's at, and that is all that should be taken into account.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 28, 2008 21:59:55 GMT -5
Wow this one went farther than most threads do after the "sorry we're closed" sign goes up. But ok I'll bite. despite my retraction after seeing her get cained by the master of stiff cain shots and a few thoughtful and well put posts. allow me to coment on paying your dues in general. The allusion to guys like Orton having an easy road and succeeding despite not paying dues is what I'd like to adress now. Guys whop come up the hardway are better workers all the way around. I respect what Orton has accomplished but to be fair he was favored by Vince to begin with and was pushed well by the office. He is however in that regard somewhat of a novelty. A hundred guys before him were pushed like that without really paying dues and they never quite measured up and were de-pushed or cut thier own throat eventually (Warrior as an example) Orton had alot to prove by having to live up to his dad and grabdfather's reputations. He surpassed them both. He also had three huge assets to learn from HHH put him over, Flair mentored him and worked with him night in night out and Taker was like a finishing school at WM. Again allow me to re-inphesize that I with drew what I posted about her not paying dues. I'll give her her due but I believe guys who go up and down the road, learn thier trade and succeed after adversity are better workers. Flair, HHH and Taker all 3 paid major majot dues and are 3 of the biggest names ever. Tell me by comparison is someone like the warrior on the same par with any of those three? He got a job with WWF and a major push withing 3 years of getting into the biz and what is he now? Thou shat pay thy dues
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 28, 2008 22:02:11 GMT -5
Time after Time.....
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 28, 2008 22:09:18 GMT -5
I would more than accept her as Women's Champion. Just, I think there are OTHER people in line ahead of her, such as Melina or Natalya. Hell, let her be the one to retire Victoria, and take the Women's belt off of HER. Victoria vs. Beth would be a HELLUVA program, and I could believably see Victoria being so beat to hell from her series with Beth that she would be easy prey for Kelly Kelly.
Heck, you could even give Kelly a Shawn Micheals-esque "I'm sorry...I love you" moment with Victoria after she beats her.
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Dec 28, 2008 22:10:18 GMT -5
Wow this one went farther than most threads do after the "sorry we're closed" sign goes up. But ok I'll bite. despite my retraction after seeing her get cained by the master of stiff cain shots and a few thoughtful and well put posts. allow me to coment on paying your dues in general. The allusion to guys like Orton having an easy road and succeeding despite not paying dues is what I'd like to adress now. Guys whop come up the hardway are better workers all the way around. I respect what Orton has accomplished but to be fair he was favored by Vince to begin with and was pushed well by the office. He is however in that regard somewhat of a novelty. A hundred guys before him were pushed like that without really paying dues and they never quite measured up and were de-pushed or cut thier own throat eventually (Warrior as an example) Orton had alot to prove by having to live up to his dad and grabdfather's reputations. He surpassed them both. He also had three huge assets to learn from HHH put him over, Flair mentored him and worked with him night in night out and Taker was like a finishing school at WM. Again allow me to re-inphesize that I with drew what I posted about her not paying dues. I'll give her her due but I believe guys who go up and down the road, learn thier trade and succeed after adversity are better workers. Flair, HHH and Taker all 3 paid major majot dues and are 3 of the biggest names ever. Tell me by comparison is someone like the warrior on the same par with any of those three? He got a job with WWF and a major push withing 3 years of getting into the biz and what is he now? Thou shat pay thy dues Warrior is a nutcase so I find it hard to use him as a credible example. Just because Flair,HHH, and Undertaker "paid dues" does not make them better. They have been in the industry much MUCH longer. Orton is just as credible a worker as them, just doesnt have that ability that comes with time. Not everyone is going to make it in the biz and it has nothing to do with paying dues. Holly paid his dues but when was the last time you saw the guy. It doesnt matter if you were giving a good storyline or not. If you are a hard worker than you are a hard worker. Carrying some guys bags in no way makes you the better person.
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Dec 28, 2008 22:10:22 GMT -5
She's paid enough dues, and she will continue to pay dues, as every other wrestler does, with perhaps exceptions in HBK, Undertaker, HHH, etc.
I would say she's earned a Women's title reign.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 28, 2008 22:15:29 GMT -5
She's paid enough dues, and she will continue to pay dues, as every other wrestler does, with perhaps exceptions in HBK, Undertaker, HHH, etc. I would say she's earned a Women's title reign. Wouldn't go that far. She is trying, yes, but she doesn't have the credibility to be the one that dethrones Beth.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 28, 2008 22:16:13 GMT -5
She's paid enough dues, and she will continue to pay dues, as every other wrestler does, with perhaps exceptions in HBK, Undertaker, HHH, etc. I would say she's earned a Women's title reign. Wouldn't go that far. She is trying, yes, but she doesn't have the credibility to be the one that dethrones Beth. See my post, above.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 28, 2008 22:20:57 GMT -5
I guess paying dues on the indies and paying dues in a company is different. Mick Foley paid dues. Kelly Kelly made the most of a situation. But she's worked hard to she deserves credit. And she's damn hot.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 28, 2008 23:44:48 GMT -5
Wow this one went farther than most threads do after the "sorry we're closed" sign goes up. But ok I'll bite. despite my retraction after seeing her get cained by the master of stiff cain shots and a few thoughtful and well put posts. allow me to coment on paying your dues in general. The allusion to guys like Orton having an easy road and succeeding despite not paying dues is what I'd like to adress now. Guys whop come up the hardway are better workers all the way around. I respect what Orton has accomplished but to be fair he was favored by Vince to begin with and was pushed well by the office. He is however in that regard somewhat of a novelty. A hundred guys before him were pushed like that without really paying dues and they never quite measured up and were de-pushed or cut thier own throat eventually (Warrior as an example) Orton had alot to prove by having to live up to his dad and grabdfather's reputations. He surpassed them both. He also had three huge assets to learn from HHH put him over, Flair mentored him and worked with him night in night out and Taker was like a finishing school at WM. Again allow me to re-inphesize that I with drew what I posted about her not paying dues. I'll give her her due but I believe guys who go up and down the road, learn thier trade and succeed after adversity are better workers. Flair, HHH and Taker all 3 paid major majot dues and are 3 of the biggest names ever. Tell me by comparison is someone like the warrior on the same par with any of those three? He got a job with WWF and a major push withing 3 years of getting into the biz and what is he now? Thou shat pay thy dues Warrior is a nutcase so I find it hard to use him as a credible example. Just because Flair,HHH, and Undertaker "paid dues" does not make them better. They have been in the industry much MUCH longer. Orton is just as credible a worker as them, just doesnt have that ability that comes with time. Not everyone is going to make it in the biz and it has nothing to do with paying dues. Holly paid his dues but when was the last time you saw the guy. It doesnt matter if you were giving a good storyline or not. If you are a hard worker than you are a hard worker. Carrying some guys bags in no way makes you the better person. Hey bro that is exactly what I said. Orton's way was made easier but he is a success. The Warrior is a nutcase and is an example of someone who didn't pay squat and didn't leave squat behind except a trail of crap. HHH, Taker and Flair are far better for having worked so hard to get what they got and made the inductry better by working with younger guys and develioping them while they pay thier own price.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 29, 2008 0:02:37 GMT -5
Wow this one went farther than most threads do after the "sorry we're closed" sign goes up. But ok I'll bite. despite my retraction after seeing her get cained by the master of stiff cain shots and a few thoughtful and well put posts. allow me to coment on paying your dues in general. The allusion to guys like Orton having an easy road and succeeding despite not paying dues is what I'd like to adress now. Guys whop come up the hardway are better workers all the way around. I respect what Orton has accomplished but to be fair he was favored by Vince to begin with and was pushed well by the office. He is however in that regard somewhat of a novelty. A hundred guys before him were pushed like that without really paying dues and they never quite measured up and were de-pushed or cut thier own throat eventually (Warrior as an example) Orton had alot to prove by having to live up to his dad and grabdfather's reputations. He surpassed them both. He also had three huge assets to learn from HHH put him over, Flair mentored him and worked with him night in night out and Taker was like a finishing school at WM. Again allow me to re-inphesize that I with drew what I posted about her not paying dues. I'll give her her due but I believe guys who go up and down the road, learn thier trade and succeed after adversity are better workers. Flair, HHH and Taker all 3 paid major majot dues and are 3 of the biggest names ever. Tell me by comparison is someone like the warrior on the same par with any of those three? He got a job with WWF and a major push withing 3 years of getting into the biz and what is he now? Thou shat pay thy dues Odd, here I was thinking it was all hard work, experience and dedication that made a person a better performer. Apparently, it's carrying a guy's bags through the airport and getting soap shoved up your butt.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 29, 2008 0:11:17 GMT -5
You missed the point by a mile forget it man
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Post by greeby on Dec 29, 2008 0:29:01 GMT -5
This is my general observation and it's not just limited to wrestling. People who go through hard times in persuit of their passions of one sort or another do so with the hope that those that come after them won't have to suffer like they did. And yet, if it pays off and they see people enjoying that easier path, they become resentful. Funny old game, ain't it?
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