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Post by chunkylover53 on Aug 5, 2009 22:04:41 GMT -5
We should have a gooker of the decade(my vote would go to Katie Vick).
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Post by M-Wick on Aug 8, 2009 3:38:01 GMT -5
Here's how I size up what the Gooker nominees are so far this year from WWE only. I haven't been paying attention to TNA since F4WOnline seemingly stopped doing Impact reports, but NWO Nitro 2.0 is certainly worthy of consideration.
Shawn Michaels, JBL's Slave: This wouldn't be Wrestlecrap if they didn't rush the payoff for No Way Out so they could do HBK/Taker at WM25, instead of having the payoff at WM (not to mention, if it made sense). In fact...
WrestleMania 25 The 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania: Where instead of seeing the historic unification of the tag titles, we'd rather see Kid Rock! Worst build of any WM ever, so bad they essentially gave up and loaded the go-home episodes of ECW and SmackDown with video packages. If a match wasn't infected with the bad build, it had the stench of WrestleCrap surrounding it anyway (MARK HENRY in the Money in the Bank match?) and it's a shame the money HBK-Taker match had to prop up this stinky card. Jericho-Piper-Steamboat-Snuka was a cobbled-together replacement for a planned Jericho-Mickey Rourke feud until Rourke opened his big mouth. Miss WrestleMania... I'll get to that. The title matches were the worst. See the Cena-Edge-Big Show match, the winner gets the love of Vickie Guerrero, the one woman in the WWE all the guys want! Oh, and there's a championship on the line too. As for HHH-Orton... hold on, this one deserves its own entry.
The Triple H-Randy Orton feud: From Super-Shane to IED to no-touch rules that get rendered moot after less than a week to face Triple H performing a home break-in (but Orton won't press charges because he wants to get his hands on HHH at the pay-per-view! Call your cable operator or satellite provider to order, folks!) to Orton basically rewriting the entire history of the feud on the go-home Raw to stretching the feud on even PAST that... and there was what could have been a legit, money-making "you kicked me out of Evolution" feud there, but for some reason the McMahons decided to take the opportunity to stroke their egos even more than usual, and Russoed it up to ridiculous proportions in the process.
Santina Marella: Because cross-dressing = COMEDY!
Denver Debacle: "You know, there's something else that rhymes with... Enis." At least they didn't put the Kroenke impostor in an actual match against VKM like I thought they were going to do when I heard "Kroenke meets McMahon."
Cena v. Miz: Have a midcard heel take on one of the main event faces while the face is busy with another feud... then when the face gets his hands on the heel he completely pwns him. Then bury the implications when the heel loses a match where losing means he has to leave RAW.
Trump Buys Raw... For A Week: Could be folded into the Santina Marella angle, since that was the occasion for Santina's firing.
The Abraham Washington Show: Probably more an induction than a Gooker nominee. Doesn't really compete with the rest.
Chavo Guerrero v. Hornswoggle: Chavo himself pointed out the big problem with this angle during ZZ Top week. Chavo is a legend in his native land and the cousin of an even bigger legend. Let's job him to a midget each week in humiliating gimmick matches!
Jeremy Piven, Raw Guest Host: We figured the guest host gimmick would produce WrestleCrap outside Trump, and it delivered (I never thought the ZZ Top thing was that bad). One word: SummerFest. Six more words: The Goods, In Theaters August 14th.
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Post by WWHHHD on Aug 8, 2009 23:58:18 GMT -5
The gooker needs to become something that isn't every year. It needs to be every two years or even 4 like the Olympics.
Because it just turns into an award that people use for things they don't like and not actual wrestlecrap. (see post above this one!)
RD needs to really leave the Gooker alone and up for grabs for a few years at a time because he is also guilty of naming something a Gooker when it really was not that bad in the Invasion.
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Post by Ass Dan on Aug 9, 2009 0:01:16 GMT -5
We should have a gooker of the decade(my vote would go to Katie Vick). That'd be a good poll post-Gooker in 2010.
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Post by mike5286 on Aug 9, 2009 11:15:25 GMT -5
Sharmell vs Jenna should be a gooker contender.
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Post by lildude8218 on Aug 9, 2009 11:49:19 GMT -5
The gooker needs to become something that isn't every year. It needs to be every two years or even 4 like the Olympics. Because it just turns into an award that people use for things they don't like and not actual wrestlecrap. (see post above this one!) RD needs to really leave the Gooker alone and up for grabs for a few years at a time because he is also guilty of naming something a Gooker when it really was not that bad in the Invasion. Or he can just go back to picking the Gooker himself instead of having people pick something that isn't even remotely close to the worst thing that happened all year just because it "upset" them.
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Post by MGH on Aug 9, 2009 12:26:37 GMT -5
When I think of the Gooker I don't think of something that was hideous like Jenna/Sharmell, because it was just ... bad. It wasn't even amusing. Just BAD.
Right now, I might go with the Hog Pen match with Chavo against "Santina". Here, let's just break that down for what it was:
A cross dressing comedy wrestler facing off against Eddie Guerrero's nephew and widow in a mud pit with pigs pooing a few feet away. All the while Jerry Lawler is doing live commentary from outside the pen, all wrapped up with a never ending post match celebration.
Man, to me that just screams Wrestlecrap.
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Post by WWHHHD on Aug 9, 2009 13:34:26 GMT -5
The gooker needs to become something that isn't every year. It needs to be every two years or even 4 like the Olympics. Because it just turns into an award that people use for things they don't like and not actual wrestlecrap. (see post above this one!) RD needs to really leave the Gooker alone and up for grabs for a few years at a time because he is also guilty of naming something a Gooker when it really was not that bad in the Invasion. Or he can just go back to picking the Gooker himself instead of having people pick something that isn't even remotely close to the worst thing that happened all year just because it "upset" them. I personally agree with that! Let the man that started it all, decide it all!
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Post by livetowin on Aug 10, 2009 14:07:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I just wish Deal would induct the KANE saga.
All of it.
If there's a Gooker of the decade, it's that one.
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Post by M-Wick on Aug 11, 2009 4:13:44 GMT -5
Because it just turns into an award that people use for things they don't like and not actual wrestlecrap. (see post above this one!) RD needs to really leave the Gooker alone and up for grabs for a few years at a time because he is also guilty of naming something a Gooker when it really was not that bad in the Invasion. I can only assume you're referring to my backing of WM25 itself for the Gooker, unless you think Piven wasn't that bad. I actually don't think it should be nominated or even inducted as much as I used to, because it's now produced not one, but TWO things that are Gooker nominees in their own right in HHH/Orton and Santina Marella. Of course, why should we trust you? You don't think Invasion was Gooker worthy. The VAST VAST majority of the IWC disagrees with you. It's not just the missed opportunity, but what MADE it a missed opportunity: the McMahons' ego stroking.
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Post by WWHHHD on Aug 11, 2009 21:47:57 GMT -5
Because it just turns into an award that people use for things they don't like and not actual wrestlecrap. (see post above this one!) RD needs to really leave the Gooker alone and up for grabs for a few years at a time because he is also guilty of naming something a Gooker when it really was not that bad in the Invasion. I can only assume you're referring to my backing of WM25 itself for the Gooker, unless you think Piven wasn't that bad. I actually don't think it should be nominated or even inducted as much as I used to, because it's now produced not one, but TWO things that are Gooker nominees in their own right in HHH/Orton and Santina Marella. Of course, why should we trust you? You don't think Invasion was Gooker worthy. The VAST VAST majority of the IWC disagrees with you. It's not just the missed opportunity, but what MADE it a missed opportunity: the McMahons' ego stroking. Santina was/is greatly entertaining but your mania thread didn't get me all up in arms about this... Its just people not giving things time to build and just automatically nominating them as gookers... How was HHH/Orton gooker worthy? Santino/a did its job as a great comedy gimmick I don't even have to look and I know someone will mention Shawn as a cook and label it the leader in the Gooker race. What I'm trying to say is enjoy wrestling for what it is... ITS WRESTLING. You will know when true gooker moments happen and not have a new "front runner" every 3 weeks. And if I come off as a jerk in this, so be it.
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Post by crash1984 on Aug 12, 2009 1:17:37 GMT -5
The Gooker should be more than something that lasts more than one episode. No matches, segments or even shows should ever win the Gooker. The Denver mess, Jeremy Piven, Jenna vs Sharmell, and the Hog Pen match were all terrible and all should be inducted at some point or another but none of them alone should be the Gooker. The Gooker should try to be multiple things that each could be Wrestlecrap Inductions all related.
The two most GookerWorthy things right now are Raw Guest Hosts and Santina
For instance a Raw guest host Gooker might include this: -Trump buys Raw and winds up selling it back to Vince -Z.Z. Top -Jeremy Piven -Sargent Slaughter turns heel And who knows what else they will have by the time they drop it.
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Post by Impact Zone's #1 DUMMY...YEAH on Aug 12, 2009 1:25:17 GMT -5
The Gooker should be more than something that lasts more than one episode. No matches, segments or even shows should ever win the Gooker. The Denver mess, Jeremy Piven, Jenna vs Sharmell, and the Hog Pen match were all terrible and all should be inducted at some point or another but none of them alone should be the Gooker. The Gooker should try to be multiple things that each could be Wrestlecrap Inductions all related. The two most GookerWorthy things right now are Raw Guest Hosts and Santina For instance a Raw guest host Gooker might include this: -Trump buys Raw and winds up selling it back to Vince -Z.Z. Top -Jeremy Piven -Sargent Slaughter turns heel And who knows what else they will have by the time they drop it. You left off this Hornswoggle-Chavo "feud".
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Post by WWHHHD on Aug 12, 2009 20:01:47 GMT -5
Am I the only one to like the Santino/a gimmick and like the 5 minutes a week comedy Hornswoggle and Chavo give me?
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Post by farmeriggy on Aug 12, 2009 20:07:28 GMT -5
WWE will come through with a last-ditch effort, as usual. So far, I'd vote Denver Debacle. edit: The induction should include that terrible McMahon-Coachman interview. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRlARE33nhY
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Post by mongomcmichael on Sept 5, 2009 0:30:01 GMT -5
I think the whole Chavo vs. Hornswoggle feud that's been going on RAW for the past month or so will take the Gooker.
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Post by Hakumental on Sept 5, 2009 12:08:59 GMT -5
Am I the only one to like the Santino/a gimmick and like the 5 minutes a week comedy Hornswoggle and Chavo give me? If you mean exactly what you said, no, of course not. If you really mean "Am I the only one so sick of the IWC's pessimistic faultfinding and endless snark that I'll actually speak up as an apologist for the two most boring, most cringeworthy, and most humorless angles this year just to stick one to the haters?", then the answer is also no, of course not.
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Post by JLAJRC on Sept 5, 2009 16:46:16 GMT -5
Was Kizarny this year or last year? We get a ton of those "Intro/Debut" vignettes where he speaks carny, but don't make sense since no one else speaks it. He might as well have been speaking pig latin.
Then he has a horrible match on Smackdown, an appearence on one of the WWE webshows, then is fired. I don't think he lasted a month.
That's my vote.
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Post by Raging_Demons on Sept 8, 2009 2:10:35 GMT -5
Was Kizarny this year or last year? We get a ton of those "Intro/Debut" vignettes where he speaks carny, but don't make sense since no one else speaks it. He might as well have been speaking pig latin. Then he has a horrible match on Smackdown, an appearence on one of the WWE webshows, then is fired. I don't think he lasted a month. That's my vote. Kizarny made his wrestling debut this year but they built him up last year. Kizarny was fired in March of this year. Now I'll add my 2 cents to this. To me "The Gooker" represents something that's bad. Think of "The Gooker" like "The Razzies" so it has to include something in the form, movie wise, of oh...lets say a movie starring Paris Hilton as a lead actress! Yeah that bad! I'll based my opinion on what people have posted here so far. Kizarny: Wrestlecrap yeah, but not Gooker. Satina Marella: Yeah its bad. But bad funny. I don't see it as a Gooker. I see Santina as in Al Wilson quite honestly. HBK is Broke: At first I thought this was a meh story. But when somebody told me that they completely invalidate this story when HHH found HBK as a chef in a cafeteria. That one move I think makes it Gooker. Build that whole story up, have an ending, then say "lets forget it"? "Who Is Suicide": I don't think TNA is even going to attempt to pick this up. Devner Debacle: Oh I gotta agree that is "Gooker" worthy. WWE was acting like the angry ex-girlfriend out of all this looking for attention. Oh and the "comedy gold" of what rhymes with "Venus"? Wrestlemania 25: They took a title match off a PPV? YEESH! Gooker! Heel Eric Young: Seriously?!? Nope.com! MVP/Sherri Shepherd: Honestly. I thought MVP "tapped" that the was Shepherd was acting. Gooker because anything involving "The View" is inherently BAD! Shane McMahon going Bats*** on Legacy: It's bad but I think RD & Blade had that covered. Donald Trump "Buys" RAW & The Raw Co-Hosts: Trump sets up the bad co-hosts. For every good one (Seth Green) we get 3 or 4 really bad ones. (Bob Barker, Jeremy Piven, ZZ Top, Shaq). I say this is one of the front runners for Gooker. Chavo/Hornswoggle: Honestly. I don't know how this feud even started or why is it continuing? Gooker worthy because this is looking like the pro wrestling equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters (Hornswoggle) vs The Washington Generals (Chavo). You know The Generals are going to loose so all you waiting for are the trick yo-yo basketballs! Abraham Washington: Don't watch ECW so I don't have an opinion. The Main Event Mafia taking over Impact. You have Kurt Angle looking for boobs backstage through the director's position while Scott Steiner is DOING COLOR COMMENTARY! Definitely Gooker because that was the moment I decided to stop watching TNA before Tara debuted on Impact. Sharmell/Jenna Morasca: Sharmell/Jenna Morasca DEFINITELY earns the Gooker. Okay both of them are pretty much new in the ring. But when you have both of them slapping the air except the opponent, Jenna running the ring in curves, and the only good sells in the match were the interference from Sojourner Bolt & Awesome Kong, even though they were "ring women" as it were. DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN THAT MATCH WAS BAD ON ALL LEVELS!!! Front runner for Gooker and I want this to WIN SO BAD because Jenna Morasca is so proud of this on her MySpace blog so I can rub it in and say "well it's official Jenna, YOU SUCK!". Even so that a fan made a "Best of Jenna Morasca In TNA" video. SHE HAD GOOD MOMENTS?!? I'll add one more: "The Beautiful People" & "Sarah Palin": Wait! So during the time this angle was done Obama won the election & chose Biden as his vice-president. You couldn't dodge this. So how did two bubble-headed blondes were able to dodge this fact which in the end Love & Sky received the "Spirit Squad" treatment? It made more dumb while I was watching this and it should be considered for Gooker.
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Post by ICBM on Sept 9, 2009 21:00:22 GMT -5
Hmm... We've got that basketball Raw thing (and honestly, that entire Raw could be inducted with how awful it was), we've got the Kid Rock / Diva's Battle Royal / Santina / Great Khali / Vickie thing, we've got heel Eric Young and that four-way from TNA's last show, Suicide, that awful (and strangely homoerotic, especially during that long Cena segment) Shawn Michaels is poor angle, Goldust & Hornswoggle, and probably something I'm forgetting and we're only at the halfway point. Way I see it we've got plenty more crap to look forward to this year too. wow 90% of those mentioned were wwe angles. and people say TNA sucks?
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