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Post by Fruity Delicious Skittles on Jan 26, 2009 18:05:12 GMT -5
Orton is like a fungus, he just grows on you whether you like it or not. In the marshes of your pysche? |
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Post by MGH on Jan 26, 2009 18:10:11 GMT -5
Orton is like a fungus, he just grows on you whether you like it or not. In the marshes of your pysche? This sounds like a Jericho promo waiting to happen, heh. |
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jan 26, 2009 18:21:40 GMT -5
The thing I also find interesting with Orton is that he's supposed to be a heel, but they give him all the oppurtunity to be liked by the fans. It's interesting because they do this by drawing clear lines between good and bad (not shades of grey like TNA) and yet it's like they want you to cheer for the bad. There's a difference there, but I realise I just made myself sound like an idiot.
What I mean is, that the face in the Rumble for example was clearly HHH. Legacy are clearly supposed to be heels, especially Cody and Ted. However the way they structure the segments, they show that there's a lot to like about Orton. The way he stands up to Vince and Steph, it's defiance. It was sort of heelish, but it also resonated with fans in the way that it was done, standing up to his boss. The way he showed remorse after kicking Vince showed he was human. The way he clearly values his Legacy boys, by raising their arms and not taking them forgranted.
I'm going to go out on a massive limb here and say the reason they are doing this is to make Orton seem like he has enough good qualities that they can turn him face without changing his character too much. Because his character is what makes him. And they are doing this because they are preparing for a double turn at Mania, with Cena going heel.
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Post by DanKirby on Jan 26, 2009 19:19:12 GMT -5
In the marshes of your pysche? This sounds like a Jericho promo waiting to happen, heh. Actually, it was one of Kane's promos on Mysterio from this summer. |
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Post by gaff on Jan 26, 2009 19:49:28 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised even Heyman is falling victim of the "Hard-On for Orton",,, I still fail to see all that improvement... What they see as "conviction, confidence and malice", I still see them as "heel promo #3, delivered with the usual bored-dazed look and monotonous pseudo-serious voice of his" Not to mention Cody and Ted allegedly improving every time. How so? Tell me he didn't say that... HBK could own Orton at promos while being half asleep following dental anaesthesia... Just re-watch the promos of their feud, and tell me how Orton has improved... For crying out loud, I could find half a dozen of people who could own (or HAVE owned already) Randy on the stick... I'm sorry, but I'm not buying all the "Orton is awesome" hype, and I'm confident the bandwagon will soon start to slow down Personally, with all due respect, its most likely you who is late to the party. Not everyone going to a party that isn't there. How could everyone be wrong except you? I agree, beat me to it |
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Post by nonrev on Jan 26, 2009 21:15:49 GMT -5
The audience is interested in Orton, and more so than any other character on WWE television today. There are two main reasons for that. Number one, Vince McMahon wanted it that way. My opinion on Orton is basically the same as that one crapper's sig where Vince force feeds the fan John Cena telling him to take it and like it. The man seems dull and boring to me. I don't see the appeal aside from the finisher. Orton is WWE's Lewis Hamilton, been groomed for years, has great talent but there others who are better but have not (and in some caes will NEVER ) get the chances and suport Orton has I say anyone in the company could be as over as Orton if they were booked the same way. I wonder what would have happened if Rob Conway actually had the Legend Killer Gimmick? *tilts head and turns eyes slighty to the left* |
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 27, 2009 0:00:08 GMT -5
I think most of the Orton lovers are either really young (under 21) or really old. The young ones like him because theyre too young to remembers the previous eras when things were better and the oldies like him because he reminds them of an old time wrestler or a throw back. Those of us in the middle thus are more indifferent. I watched in previous eras, from the Warriors and Hogans to the Rocks and Austins. I'm not under 21 or really old, and I like Orton quite a bit. So you're certainly wrong on that front. |
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Post by Robbymac on Jan 27, 2009 0:01:55 GMT -5
I think most of the Orton lovers are either really young (under 21) or really old. The young ones like him because theyre too young to remembers the previous eras when things were better and the oldies like him because he reminds them of an old time wrestler or a throw back. Those of us in the middle thus are more indifferent. I watched in previous eras, from the Warriors and Hogans to the Rocks and Austins. I'm not under 21 or really old, and I like Orton quite a bit. So you're certainly wrong on that front. Exactly. I think the younger you are, the more likely you are to gravitate to Cena, not Orton. Which is exactly as its designed I think. |
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Jan 27, 2009 1:14:13 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised even Heyman is falling victim of the "Hard-On for Orton",,, I still fail to see all that improvement... What they see as "conviction, confidence and malice", I still see them as "heel promo #3, delivered with the usual bored-dazed look and monotonous pseudo-serious voice of his" Not to mention Cody and Ted allegedly improving every time. How so? Tell me he didn't say that... HBK could own Orton at promos while being half asleep following dental anaesthesia... Just re-watch the promos of their feud, and tell me how Orton has improved... For crying out loud, I could find half a dozen of people who could own (or HAVE owned already) Randy on the stick... I'm sorry, but I'm not buying all the "Orton is awesome" hype, and I'm confident the bandwagon will soon start to slow down Personally, with all due respect, its most likely you who is late to the party. Not everyone going to a party that isn't there. How could everyone be wrong except you? Consensus has nothing to do with fact or truth. That said, I've been an Orton fan since his Evolution days (yanno when he actually started to get a character). But he has clearly gotten better in the last six months to an exponential degree. He's tapped his potential, and it's been about time, I had wondered if he was just going to flounder amongst every single last one of his pushes, until The Age came upon us all. That picture of him with the dove, for No Mercy. That... was amazing. My only idle wish is that he'd quote ol' Waylon Mercy. Think of it: Standing over fallen opponent. "Don't worry, you're life is in good hands now. Randy Orton's hands." Cue that dead look, and a marrow freezing smile. |
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Post by The F'N Captain on Jan 27, 2009 1:30:00 GMT -5
Ya know what last week Orton punted McMahon, and ya know what? I did mark a little.
Now I'm a huge Orton, hmm, let's say non-fan. I don't hate the guy but he doesn't do it for me. So in my brief marktitude I was a little excited, my mark outs are few and far between in my cynical, been watching wrestling for 25+ years age.
Then, though I realized, and this is cynical it's just TRUE. Orton shut Vince up. Vince RARELY does this, I think the last time Vince let someone so thoroughly PWN him was when he went against HBK in a hardcore type match and HBK just beat the snot out of him. At that's HBK for god's sake. The point is, Vince is akin to a huge boss character in a video game. When he gets beat you mark out, even if you're watching someone using Dhalsim to beat him. Orton, to me, is Dhalsim. You can tell me how great Dhalsim is and his amazing abilities, but he's just not doing it for me. However if you use Dhalism to beat M. Bison, yeah I'm impressed, it just wears off after a minute.
I guess I'm simply saying I still don't see the appeal, if ANYONE got to punt Vince they'd have been over. Ditto to pretty much have the full run of RAW the last four or five months. If you see a guy three or four times a night, and he's COMPETANT, then it SEEMS he's MORE.
However, feel free to enjoy him, I of course can't stop anyone, and he is gaining a larger fanbase. Good for him, I just can't for the love of Jebus figure out why.
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Post by Danimal on Jan 27, 2009 2:21:53 GMT -5
I do agree with Heyman about Orton, but I've been an Orton mark for quite a while.
The remark about Cryme Tyme being more contemporary than any team TNA has was annoying. LAX are similar, hell both teams are just uninspired ethnic stereotypes, but LAX are stereotypes that are dang good workers.
I agree about WWE putting Miz/Morrison out there as the future, they are, Miz will be an IC-belt guy and Morrison could be a headliner already.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Jan 27, 2009 7:12:28 GMT -5
Dunno if I'm an Orton fan but I did like the punt.
Anything that gets Vince off of my TV (kayfabe-wise) for an extended period of time is good.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 27, 2009 7:32:34 GMT -5
I totally agree. Orton is the next Austin. It's all a matter of time.
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Post by Bobafett on Jan 27, 2009 9:50:04 GMT -5
i love ho the Orton fans seem to think if you don't like him you are a blind hater or just a iwc smark.
i don't like him because i just feel there are better guys on the roster, hell one of the biggest pops in the rumble was for a guy who had been awayy for over a year
and its funny ho people will go on about Jeff Hardys drug problems and rvd's pot conviction and such like, and moresoin Hardys case will never forgive or forget, yet whn any of Ortons behavior, crpping in bags/steroids/pot smoking is brought up we get told "but you wouldn't say that about a iwc favourate
and doesn't Orton have one strike? well technically it should be 2 cos of the suspension just after WM22 but because that happened before the current wellness stuff thats all ok
but Orton unlike others will be given chance after chance after chance
sorry but I'l stick to the Hardy Bandwagon
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Post by Loki on Jan 27, 2009 10:03:30 GMT -5
and its funny ho people will go on about Jeff Hardys drug problems and rvd's pot conviction and such like, and moresoin Hardys case will never forgive or forget, yet whn any of Ortons behavior, crpping in bags/steroids/pot smoking is brought up we get told "but you wouldn't say that about a iwc favourate and doesn't Orton have one strike? well technically it should be 2 cos of the suspension just after WM22 but because that happened before the current wellness stuff thats all ok but Orton unlike others will be given chance after chance after chance The fun part is THAT was a view shared by DOZENS of people around here, not longer than some months ago... IIRC it was still around the time London got fired and Kendrick getting "nuclear heatz" for his smoking habits, when people were moaning and bitching about "ohh they fired London because he smiled, and poor Brian just loves him some pot and they're burying him, but Randy Orton has been given a free pass every single time because they have a hard-on for him, blah blah" But now, ladies and gentlemen, it's all forgotten!!! Praise the Lord, Raaaandy Ortaaaaaaan! |
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 27, 2009 13:33:36 GMT -5
i love ho the Orton fans seem to think if you don't like him you are a blind hater or just a iwc smark. I love how non-fans of anyone pretend that every fan of a person is some blind Kool-aid drinking fanboy. It's funny how your claims of Orton fans could very easily be applied to fans of any number of performers, or even to those who dislike them. As for Hardy and his drug problems, the fact that he failed the test right before Wrestlemania where all newz reports showed him to be on the eve of the biggest push of his career has contributed to it. It's no one's fault but his own. He's been given plenty of changes as well, so you can't really sit there and pretend that he gets unfairly criticized. RVD was caught smoking weed and driving. I'm not going to make light of anyone who was driving under the influence. Orton's big thing was his tormenting Diva's back stage, and it was brought up a long time after he did it. I haven't seen it lately, but it's hardly forgotten. He has had major attitude problems in the back. For not having two strikes, if the reports about Kendrick are true, they don't give strikes for marijuana use, which is what he said he was doing. Can't really compare it to the reports about Kendrick, as those are rather recent. |
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Post by Prince Petty on Jan 27, 2009 13:39:17 GMT -5
I think the only time I've ever liked Orton was when he freaked out after punting Vince. That's the first time I can remember seeing an emotion from him that wasn't either anger, boredom or... well no, that's about it.
Sorry, I just don't find him very interesting.
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Post by a1TheEnigma1a on Jan 27, 2009 13:43:14 GMT -5
I can't think of a time I have disagreed with Heyman.
Orton is the man right now, and rightly so. Scarily, it only goes onwards and upwards from here.
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Jan 27, 2009 13:52:24 GMT -5
i just think his character had depths that no one else really has, and for the first time orton the performer is able to convey that effectively.
take this week's raw. on the one hand, randy was in the right. he's got a mental condition, and was basically being screwed over by the mcmahons before he did what he did. however, that doesn't excuse him wanting to shut down the biggest event in wrestling history just because of what happened to him. part of me is rooting for him, part of me wants to see him get his ass kicked. regardless of what happens, i want to watch this man try to succeed, whether i support him or not, and that's what wrestling is all about.
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Post by parder on Jan 27, 2009 17:18:10 GMT -5
I'm going to go out on a massive limb here and say the reason they are doing this is to make Orton seem like he has enough good qualities that they can turn him face without changing his character too much. Because his character is what makes him. And they are doing this because they are preparing for a double turn at Mania, with Cena going heel. I actually briefly had that thought soon after the Rumble, but just dismissed it because I didn't think WWE would have the balls to do it in a tough financial year with Cena's merchandise numbers and how over he is with the kids. There's also nothing to indicate how Cena would go in heel direction at the moment, and it would complicate what they would do when Batista returns. But I guess by then they'll have had a Draft to shake things up for his return. If Orton-Cena became like Austin-Bret I would be hugely impressed at them being able to pull that off, but I'm not holding my breath on that one with the way things are going. |
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