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Post by greeby on Jan 22, 2009 17:16:05 GMT -5
I don't understand the prejudice around here against generational wrestlers. It's a million times better than the failed Johnny Ace-driven "models & bodybuilder" movement that had all but sucked the future talent pool down the toilet. At least, with sons of wrestlers, you know that there is an understanding & respect of the business already there. They're just not all hair & teeth like some gay porno actor. Seriously. To use an anology; which person do you want working on your car? The guy whose father and grandfather was a mechanic? Or a dude somone picked up on a beach that was just handed a wrench because they looked good in a pair of bermuda shorts? That's Johnny Ace in a nut-shell. Now, that said, the blandness of these men is the fault of creative not necessarily the talent. I mean, look at Zach Ryder's schtick on Youtube. I was ready to write that dude off, but holy excretory matter was I wrong. WWE Creative is the villain here not the Generational guys. Sorry, don't buy that. TBK is a prime recent example of: If you come up with a good idea to stand out, Vince will let you run with it. A fair few of the 80's stars were 2nd gen. Yet noone referred to them as the son of a famous wrestler. Because they put the effort in to making their own name and own identity. That meeting between Goldust and Cody said it all. One forged his own path, the other is just living off his daddy's name
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Post by Jay-Jay on Jan 22, 2009 17:20:11 GMT -5
I don't understand the prejudice around here against generational wrestlers. It's a million times better than the failed Johnny Ace-driven "models & bodybuilder" movement that had all but sucked the future talent pool down the toilet. At least, with sons of wrestlers, you know that there is an understanding & respect of the business already there. They're just not all hair & teeth like some gay porno actor. Seriously. To use an anology; which person do you want working on your car? The guy whose father and grandfather was a mechanic? Or a dude somone picked up on a beach that was just handed a wrench because they looked good in a pair of bermuda shorts? That's Johnny Ace in a nut-shell. Now, that said, the blandness of these men is the fault of creative not necessarily the talent. I mean, look at Zach Ryder's schtick on Youtube. I was ready to write that dude off, but holy excretory matter was I wrong. WWE Creative is the villain here not the Generational guys. Sorry, don't buy that. TBK is a prime recent example of: If you come up with a good idea to stand out, Vince will let you run with it. A fair few of the 80's stars were 2nd gen. Yet noone referred to them as the son of a famous wrestler. Because they put the effort in to making their own name and own identity. That meeting between Goldust and Cody said it all. One forged his own path, the other is just living off his daddy's name Explain yourself... Cody said himself that hes gonna make a name for himself... he's only been there a year, so obviously its not always gonna be that way.
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Post by Tyfo on Jan 22, 2009 17:20:11 GMT -5
I think I should call WWE and tell them I'm the son of Hercules or someone like that and see if I get a developmental deal.
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Post by Jay-Jay on Jan 22, 2009 17:20:37 GMT -5
I think I should call WWE and tell them I'm the son of Hercules or someone like that and see if I get a developmental deal. Didn't somebody do that with Benoit?
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Post by VenomFang on Jan 22, 2009 17:25:21 GMT -5
I don't understand the prejudice around here against generational wrestlers. It's a million times better than the failed Johnny Ace-driven "models & bodybuilder" movement that had all but sucked the future talent pool down the toilet. At least, with sons of wrestlers, you know that there is an understanding & respect of the business already there. They're just not all hair & teeth like some gay porno actor. Seriously. To use an anology; which person do you want working on your car? The guy whose father and grandfather was a mechanic? Or a dude somone picked up on a beach that was just handed a wrench because they looked good in a pair of bermuda shorts? That's Johnny Ace in a nut-shell. Now, that said, the blandness of these men is the fault of creative not necessarily the talent. I mean, look at Zach Ryder's schtick on Youtube. I was ready to write that dude off, but holy excretory matter was I wrong. WWE Creative is the villain here not the Generational guys. Sorry, don't buy that. TBK is a prime recent example of: If you come up with a good idea to stand out, Vince will let you run with it. A fair few of the 80's stars were 2nd gen. Yet noone referred to them as the son of a famous wrestler. Because they put the effort in to making their own name and own identity. That meeting between Goldust and Cody said it all. One forged his own path, the other is just living off his daddy's name Yeah back when Dustin entered the WWF in 1995 they didnt let him wrestle as Dustin Rhodes they gave him the Goldust gimmick. Now years later Cody comes in and he gets to wrestle as Cody Rhodes with no gimmick/nickname. Same thing with Dibiase then and Jr. now. It just shows you how things have changed over there and how lazy Vince/creative have gotten nowadays.
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Post by VenomFang on Jan 22, 2009 17:27:05 GMT -5
Sorry, don't buy that. TBK is a prime recent example of: If you come up with a good idea to stand out, Vince will let you run with it. A fair few of the 80's stars were 2nd gen. Yet noone referred to them as the son of a famous wrestler. Because they put the effort in to making their own name and own identity. That meeting between Goldust and Cody said it all. One forged his own path, the other is just living off his daddy's name Explain yourself... Cody said himself that hes gonna make a name for himself... he's only been there a year, so obviously its not always gonna be that way. No he keeps saying he's gonna "surpass his father" which is absolutely insane and near impossible to happen so why even go that route ?
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Post by Jay-Jay on Jan 22, 2009 17:30:48 GMT -5
Explain yourself... Cody said himself that hes gonna make a name for himself... he's only been there a year, so obviously its not always gonna be that way. No he keeps saying he's gonna "surpass his father" which is absolutely insane and near impossible to happen so why even go that route ? Because hes a heel... face Cody wouldn't say that. Besides, if pushed right, he could become bigger than his father. I don't see why not.
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Post by Loki on Jan 22, 2009 17:32:42 GMT -5
Can you imagine what WWE is gonna look like in 10 years? The set of an MTV dating show, with dozens of guys and girls who look exactly like the next one?
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Post by r. on Jan 22, 2009 17:34:52 GMT -5
does stan hansen have any offspring? ( ok i just want to scream LAAAARIIAAAATTOOOOOOOO!!!! again. )
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Post by VenomFang on Jan 22, 2009 17:39:52 GMT -5
Can you imagine what WWE is gonna look like in 10 years? The set of an MTV dating show, with dozens of guys and girls who look exactly like the next one? If the product in 10 years times is anything like the current product then I sure as hell wont be watching it. That will probably be the beginning of the end anyway before Steph takes over and drives the company into the ground.
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Post by h on Jan 22, 2009 17:50:09 GMT -5
I don't understand why everyone hates this idea... these guys are generational, its only natural that they have atleast 70% of what their fathers had. Besides they only have like 12 of them or so including - Randy Orton - Son of Bob Orton Jr and Grandson of Bob Orton Cody Rhodes - Son of Dusty Rhodes Goldust - Son of Dusty Rhodes Jesse - Son of Terry Gordy Chavo Guerrero - Son of Chavo Classic Joe Hennig - Son of Mr. Perfect Amy Hennig - Daughter of Mr. Perfect Reid Flair - Son of Ric Flair Wes Brisco - Son of Gerard Brisco Ted DiBiase - Son of Ted DiBiase Manu - Son of Afa Sim Snuka - Son of Jimmy Snuka DH Smith - Son of British Bulldog Natalya - Daughter of Jim Neidhart Ricky Steamboat Jr. - Son of Ricky Steamboat IRS Jr. - Son of IRS Okay 16, I believe thats all. It's not like any of them are main eventing apart from Randy anyways and none of their fathers were really anything apart from Rhodes and Flair. I'm aware most of them are brilliant wrestlers but i mean in terms of winning the big one. Don't forget Dakota Darsow, son of "Hole-in-One Krusher Blacktop Smashing Repo Bully Khruschev Man" Barry Darsow. He's also in FCW on a WWE developmental contract.
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Post by originaladamwhoo on Jan 22, 2009 19:54:06 GMT -5
I don't understand why everyone hates this idea... these guys are generational, its only natural that they have atleast 70% of what their fathers had. Besides they only have like 12 of them or so including - Randy Orton - Son of Bob Orton Jr and Grandson of Bob Orton Cody Rhodes - Son of Dusty Rhodes Goldust - Son of Dusty Rhodes Jesse - Son of Terry Gordy Chavo Guerrero - Son of Chavo Classic Joe Hennig - Son of Mr. Perfect Amy Hennig - Daughter of Mr. Perfect Reid Flair - Son of Ric Flair Wes Brisco - Son of Gerard Brisco Ted DiBiase - Son of Ted DiBiase Manu - Son of Afa Sim Snuka - Son of Jimmy Snuka DH Smith - Son of British Bulldog Natalya - Daughter of Jim Neidhart Ricky Steamboat Jr. - Son of Ricky Steamboat IRS Jr. - Son of IRS Okay 16, I believe thats all. It's not like any of them are main eventing apart from Randy anyways and none of their fathers were really anything apart from Rhodes and Flair. I'm aware most of them are brilliant wrestlers but i mean in terms of winning the big one. Wait, what? Ricky Steamboat didn't win the NWA world title? Ted Dibiase didn't main event a Wrestlemania? That stuff is about as big as it gets, dude.
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Post by h on Jan 22, 2009 21:31:38 GMT -5
I don't understand why everyone hates this idea... these guys are generational, its only natural that they have atleast 70% of what their fathers had. Besides they only have like 12 of them or so including - Randy Orton - Son of Bob Orton Jr and Grandson of Bob Orton Cody Rhodes - Son of Dusty Rhodes Goldust - Son of Dusty Rhodes Jesse - Son of Terry Gordy Chavo Guerrero - Son of Chavo Classic Joe Hennig - Son of Mr. Perfect Amy Hennig - Daughter of Mr. Perfect Reid Flair - Son of Ric Flair Wes Brisco - Son of Gerard Brisco Ted DiBiase - Son of Ted DiBiase Manu - Son of Afa Sim Snuka - Son of Jimmy Snuka DH Smith - Son of British Bulldog Natalya - Daughter of Jim Neidhart Ricky Steamboat Jr. - Son of Ricky Steamboat IRS Jr. - Son of IRS Okay 16, I believe thats all. It's not like any of them are main eventing apart from Randy anyways and none of their fathers were really anything apart from Rhodes and Flair. I'm aware most of them are brilliant wrestlers but i mean in terms of winning the big one. Wait, what? Ricky Steamboat didn't win the NWA world title? Ted Dibiase didn't main event a Wrestlemania? That stuff is about as big as it gets, dude. I would also say that Terry Gordy's two reigns as AJPW Triple Crown Champion put him ahead of the rest of the list. Add that to the rest of his titles, and I don't see how there can be any doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2009 21:36:40 GMT -5
Does Taker,JBL or Kane have any Kids?
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Jan 22, 2009 22:04:23 GMT -5
I don't see the problem here. The wrestlers of yesterday have grown kids now that want to get in the business, I mean, I see wrestling as one of those things that alot of children would follow their parents foot steps in. And where else would they go? OVW? some random Indy? ROH? WWE would have picked them up eventually, and its not like everyone is gonna have the same gimmick of being a 2nd/3rd generation wrestler. That storyline will eventually fade and it will just be like The Rock, and getting an off mention of wrestling in the family.
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Jan 22, 2009 22:07:31 GMT -5
Sorry, don't buy that. TBK is a prime recent example of: If you come up with a good idea to stand out, Vince will let you run with it. A fair few of the 80's stars were 2nd gen. Yet noone referred to them as the son of a famous wrestler. Because they put the effort in to making their own name and own identity. That meeting between Goldust and Cody said it all. One forged his own path, the other is just living off his daddy's name Yeah back when Dustin entered the WWF in 1995 they didnt let him wrestle as Dustin Rhodes they gave him the Goldust gimmick. Now years later Cody comes in and he gets to wrestle as Cody Rhodes with no gimmick/nickname. Same thing with Dibiase then and Jr. now. It just shows you how things have changed over there and how lazy Vince/creative have gotten nowadays. Also, this is just such a naive assumption. Goldust debuted in a time where edgy was what they were going for. This day and age, you dont need a gimmick to get over so they could afford to let Cody come in as himself. That in no way implys they are lazy.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 22, 2009 22:44:41 GMT -5
does stan hansen have any offspring? ( ok i just want to scream LAAAARIIAAAATTOOOOOOOO!!!! again. ) I think Hansen has two kids. Does Taker,JBL or Kane have any Kids? Taker has two daughters and one son
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Post by Marksus on Jan 23, 2009 0:02:39 GMT -5
How comes Pat Petterson doesnt have a son in training?
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jan 23, 2009 0:10:51 GMT -5
And they all will have Crew Cuts and Black Trunks.
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Post by Bravo Echo November on Jan 23, 2009 0:14:15 GMT -5
I like the idea of more 2nd/3rd Gen people coming. A wrestler in the future could say something like "I am not 2nd generation, I'm not here because of my parents"
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