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Post by series09 on Jan 23, 2009 0:28:17 GMT -5
Could Dumas Walker or Johnnie Walker have a career?
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Post by DSR on Jan 23, 2009 0:34:28 GMT -5
Yeah back when Dustin entered the WWF in 1995 they didnt let him wrestle as Dustin Rhodes they gave him the Goldust gimmick. Now years later Cody comes in and he gets to wrestle as Cody Rhodes with no gimmick/nickname. Same thing with Dibiase then and Jr. now. It just shows you how things have changed over there and how lazy Vince/creative have gotten nowadays. Also, this is just such a naive assumption. Goldust debuted in a time where edgy was what they were going for. This day and age, you dont need a gimmick to get over so they could afford to let Cody come in as himself. That in no way implys they are lazy. Goldust debuted in '95, when "edgy" wasn't even in Vince's vocabulary. Goldust sort of pushed the envelope before the edginess really came to the forefront of the company.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 23, 2009 1:38:52 GMT -5
And they all will have Crew Cuts and Black Trunks. This.
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Post by ertel on Jan 23, 2009 2:10:00 GMT -5
"Hi, I'm Arthur Donovan Jr. My Father was Art Donovan, guess how much DIS fella weighs?.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 23, 2009 2:15:22 GMT -5
Sorry, don't buy that. TBK is a prime recent example of: If you come up with a good idea to stand out, Vince will let you run with it. A fair few of the 80's stars were 2nd gen. Yet noone referred to them as the son of a famous wrestler. Because they put the effort in to making their own name and own identity. That meeting between Goldust and Cody said it all. One forged his own path, the other is just living off his daddy's name Yeah back when Dustin entered the WWF in 1995 they didnt let him wrestle as Dustin Rhodes they gave him the Goldust gimmick. Now years later Cody comes in and he gets to wrestle as Cody Rhodes with no gimmick/nickname. Same thing with Dibiase then and Jr. now. It just shows you how things have changed over there and how lazy Vince/creative have gotten nowadays. Ummm....Goldust debuted in 1995/1996. I clearly remember Dustin wrestling as Dustin Rhodes and teaming with his father when he first came into WWF, in the late 80s/early 90s. And then he was Dustin Rhodes/Dustin Runnels in WCW, playing up the fact that he was Dusty's son. So Dustin didn't really go on his own until he became Goldust, many years into his career.
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Post by BrianZane on Jan 23, 2009 10:11:00 GMT -5
I don't understand why everyone hates this idea... these guys are generational, its only natural that they have atleast 70% of what their fathers had. Shouldn't it be more like 50%? I mean, the guys did each have two parents and all...
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Post by rzombie1988 on Jan 23, 2009 10:32:15 GMT -5
He's been down there for atleast 7 months now.
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Post by Loki on Jan 23, 2009 11:47:25 GMT -5
Well, with many many 2nd generation guys coming up, WWE will hopefully be forced to think of something different than "hey, my dad used to wrestle here 20 years ago! Cheer me/boo me"
If some of them have a different look, instead of being clones of Randy Orton, it would be even better.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jan 23, 2009 11:54:38 GMT -5
The next SvR game will now feature a "Second gen create a wrestler". You can't pick anything but the generic accessories.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Jan 23, 2009 13:29:13 GMT -5
So if I tell WWE I'm a second generation wrestler, will I automatically get signed and head right to Florida? No. My cousin on my mother's sister's side once removed is the third cousin of Harvey Whippleman and they rejected me when I wanted to become a second generation manager. Their loss.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 23, 2009 13:51:28 GMT -5
Seriously. To use an anology; which person do you want working on your car? The guy whose father and grandfather was a mechanic? Or a dude somone picked up on a beach that was just handed a wrench because they looked good in a pair of bermuda shorts? That's Johnny Ace in a nut-shell. I find it funny that Ace always gets called out on this. Especially since he was a huge part of AJPW back in the nineties. Seriously that man was great in the ring.
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Post by Biggtone23 on Jan 23, 2009 14:00:23 GMT -5
I dont think its that big of deal as these guys are getting signed to developmental deals. There are no guarantees that these kids even make it to WWE. Some of them will, some them will burn out, some of them will suck, some will get injured and quit. If they have talent they would have made it anyway.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jan 23, 2009 14:22:45 GMT -5
I dont think its that big of deal as these guys are getting signed to developmental deals. There are no guarantees that these kids even make it to WWE. Some of them will, some them will burn out, some of them will suck, some will get injured and quit. If they have talent they would have made it anyway. What he said.
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Post by estrada on Jan 23, 2009 18:35:56 GMT -5
I don't understand the prejudice around here against generational wrestlers. It's a million times better than the failed Johnny Ace-driven "models & bodybuilder" movement that had all but sucked the future talent pool down the toilet. At least, with sons of wrestlers, you know that there is an understanding & respect of the business already there. They're just not all hair & teeth like some gay porno actor. Seriously. To use an anology; which person do you want working on your car? The guy whose father and grandfather was a mechanic? Or a dude somone picked up on a beach that was just handed a wrench because they looked good in a pair of bermuda shorts? That's Johnny Ace in a nut-shell. Now, that said, the blandness of these men is the fault of creative not necessarily the talent. I mean, look at Zach Ryder's schtick on Youtube. I was ready to write that dude off, but holy excretory matter was I wrong. WWE Creative is the villain here not the Generational guys. Sorry, don't buy that. TBK is a prime recent example of: If you come up with a good idea to stand out, Vince will let you run with it. A fair few of the 80's stars were 2nd gen. Yet noone referred to them as the son of a famous wrestler. Because they put the effort in to making their own name and own identity. That meeting between Goldust and Cody said it all. One forged his own path, the other is just living off his daddy's name No one refered to the 2nd gen 80s stars fathers because more than half the audience would have no idea who they were talking about. All of thier fathers werent known on a national level back then like the fathers of todays 2nd gen stars. They do it now for name recognition and hopefully instant nostalgia popularity.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jan 23, 2009 18:57:01 GMT -5
Barry Darsow's son also started in FCW not that long ago. I think his name is Dakota Darsow. Isn't anywhere near as big as his dad but he looked like he had some promise.
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Post by h on Jan 24, 2009 14:02:22 GMT -5
As much as the WWF seems to be overdoing the second generation thing, it should be noted that second generation wrestlers are hardly a new phenomenon.
Without second generation wrestlers, there would be no Mr. Perfect, Bret Hart, Randy Savage, Terry Funk, etc.
On the bright side, though, we never would have been asked to put up with Rocky Maivia and all of the idiotic catchphrases he brought with him.
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