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Post by Rorschach on Mar 10, 2009 0:08:20 GMT -5
I do not believe that in the least. You're right, they could have made it into Slumdog Millionaire. Give up. Nothing you do is going to change their minds. I will say that at least, as far as the bitching and hatred go, at least T.A.P up there gave one HELL of a review and justified his reasons for hating it. These other two are, by and large just sitting here pissed off and bitter that people actually ENJOYED this film and liked what Snyder did. They're living in a dream world where someone like Terry Gilliam, or Paul Greengrass (two other names attached to this film at one point) EVER IN A MILLION GODDAMN f***ING YEARS would have gotten the go-ahead from a studio to make this film. They would have made a more artsy version, but face it, no matter WHO did it, even if it was the cloned child of Orson Welles and Alfred Hitchcock, you both would have STILL bitched about it not being good enough. Again, T.A.P used examples, and gave an honest critique about how things could have been done differently, IE, making it an HBO miniseries. That may have worked better, but I liked what we got. Like I said: the problem was that it got MADE, Cela. That's what they're bitter about. Point blank, no movie that was ever going to be made from this would EVER have pleased them. EVER. If I am wrong, I invite EITHER of you to post a list of what kind of a filming of this property you would have accepted and been PROUD and in FAVOR of.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Mar 10, 2009 0:14:00 GMT -5
I swear, neither of you must be reading a damn thing we post. I have said a few times that I am happy you liked it. You come after our opinions and tell us we are wrong, we defend our stance. And I have used thought out and longer posts. But I feel no need to defend my stance when all I hear is "you are wrong, it is the best it could be". I do not like to settle for "the best it could be". To me that is a negative attitude. And I truly believe it could be better.
Never do you say "I am sorry you feel that way, I liked the movie, but your opinion is valid too". No you try and tear down our opinions and tell us we are wrong.
The only thing I have defended is my point of view.
And thanks for telling others what I think Rorschach. I am not the least bit upset it got made. I am upset that it wasn't a better movie to me. I wanted to enjoy it, I didn't.
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Here is your problem, both of you. This isn't supposed to be about changing minds. It is supposed to be a conversation with civil discourse respecting each others' opinions. Something you have not been doing in the least.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 10, 2009 0:35:41 GMT -5
I have been, up til now. And the only reason I changed that with that post up there is because we on the OTHER side of the debate keep bringing up vaild points that just get pissed on and ignored because "the movie wasn't good enough for us".
So, in all honesty, neither side is listening to a f***ing thing the other is saying.
I'll try to change that though. As I said, HOW do you think it could be better? WHO could have done it more justice? Throw out some specific examples and/or names.
Not saying anyone's opinions are more valid than others....just gets maddening when all that you can do is sit back and pitch a fit about how much better it could have been, then refuse to explain what could have been done better, or who in your mind could have done a better job, while still getting the studio backing/budget that this film deserved?
T.A.P went into all of that detail, and by GOD....even if I very strongly disagree with some of his points, at least he had some facts/details/suggestions other than "it wasn't what I had always DREAMED it would be, therefore it sucked dog balls."
THAT's what's pissing me off, and it's not just you two specifically, though that's the vibe I'm getting from your arguments. NOTHING would have pleased you. If I am wrong, again, please tell me what would have made you happy, while still being commercially viable as a film?
Look, I am no stranger to "fanboy bitching".....God only knows I have done enough myself with X3 and FANTASTIC f***UP FOUR, and GHOST RIDER....but the extent to which this film is being ripped, (and I feel in many cases UNFAIRLY ripped) is just asinine. You didn't like it. I have said that I can respect that, and I do. But at least meet me halfway here, and offer what you think would have solved the problems.
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Post by Cela on Mar 10, 2009 0:45:28 GMT -5
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Mar 10, 2009 0:51:42 GMT -5
Every body, it's all good! They hated it, you loved it. Neither of you are right or wrong. I personally agree with Cela and R-Man more so because I loved it to, but there is no reason to get this worked up over opinions.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 10, 2009 0:56:13 GMT -5
Every body, it's all good! They hated it, you loved it. Neither of you are right or wrong. I personally agree with Cela and R-Man more so because I loved it to, but there is no reason to get this worked up over opinions. At the end of the day, this is the bottom line.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Mar 10, 2009 1:01:54 GMT -5
I'm afraid to watch it. Is it all about Manhattan's wang and how "hilarious" it was? I saw the movie again and removed all thoughts of the book. I actually enjoyed it alittle more. Not looking for bits from the book that are missing or there and just watching it as a movie.
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Post by Cela on Mar 10, 2009 1:41:58 GMT -5
I'm afraid to watch it. Is it all about Manhattan's wang and how "hilarious" it was? I saw the movie again and removed all thoughts of the book. I actually enjoyed it alittle more. Not looking for bits from the book that are missing or there and just watching it as a movie. Limited Wang
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 10, 2009 1:49:39 GMT -5
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Mar 10, 2009 2:13:05 GMT -5
I just saw it tonight and thought it was pretty cool. Note I did not read the book and up to this point have never even heard of The Watchmen until I saw the pictures on comingsoon.net a while back last summer.
From what I have noticed from reviews if you haven't read the book you should enjoy it a lot more. I thought this was a very good rated R edgy movie with some pretty gory stuff. Rorschach was an awesome character. I also loved that it was based in the 80s and had some 80s music in it. Also the fact that it was an alternate history(where Nixon doesn't get caught for watergate right?) I thought was really cool.
Only things I didn't like about it is that it was incredibly slow which I could deal with because they had to spend a lot of time telling all of their history. I'm thinking it might have been a bit better if they had made another movie before this one and then had a sequel that would be like this one.
the other only thing I didn't like was that the rich guy Adrian(i think that was his name) turned out to be the bad guy. That just seemed very cliche to me especially since the rest of the movie wasn't all that cliche at all from what I saw.
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Post by Virt McGirt on Mar 10, 2009 2:55:28 GMT -5
Yeah, Veidt's "Lex Luthor-esque" heel turn kinda pissed me off at first too, but, the book (and now movie) wouldn't have really turned out the way it did without it. (I'm sparing the spoiler for the 2 people who haven't read or seen it yet ;D)
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Post by skiller on Mar 10, 2009 3:02:51 GMT -5
Veidt's also the only guy who could believably fund such a thing. The only other guy I'd have bought doing anything of this magnitude was Manhattan. But then that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Post by Cela on Mar 10, 2009 3:06:39 GMT -5
Veidt's also the only guy who could believably fund such a thing. The only other guy I'd have bought doing anything of this magnitude was Manhattan. But then that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Nonsense, Rorschach had plenty of pocket change to finance such a project.
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Post by Virt McGirt on Mar 10, 2009 3:15:34 GMT -5
Considering his "awesome" beans & sugar cube diet (he took some sugar cubes in the comic ;D), I doubt it Veidt's also the only guy who could believably fund such a thing. The only other guy I'd have bought doing anything of this magnitude was Manhattan. But then that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Yeah, I mean, him doing that wouldn't really make sense, considering his whole "humanity" schpiel earlier
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Post by Zombie Pig on Mar 10, 2009 3:19:39 GMT -5
I just saw it tonight and thought it was pretty cool. Note I did not read the book and up to this point have never even heard of The Watchmen until I saw the pictures on comingsoon.net a while back last summer. From what I have noticed from reviews if you haven't read the book you should enjoy it a lot more. I thought this was a very good rated R edgy movie with some pretty gory stuff. Rorschach was an awesome character. I also loved that it was based in the 80s and had some 80s music in it. Also the fact that it was an alternate history(where Nixon doesn't get caught for watergate right?) I thought was really cool.Only things I didn't like about it is that it was incredibly slow which I could deal with because they had to spend a lot of time telling all of their history. I'm thinking it might have been a bit better if they had made another movie before this one and then had a sequel that would be like this one. the other only thing I didn't like was that the rich guy Adrian(i think that was his name) turned out to be the bad guy. That just seemed very cliche to me especially since the rest of the movie wasn't all that cliche at all from what I saw. Yeah, the Comedian killed Woodward and Bernstein. It's amazing all the dirty work Comedian did for him... Killed JFK (Even if he didn't order it he gains from it), killed Woodward/Berstein, fights in Vietnam and does dirty work for the goverment after the mask ban in 77
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Post by skiller on Mar 10, 2009 3:22:59 GMT -5
Considering his "awesome" beans & sugar cube diet (he took some sugar cubes in the comic ;D), I doubt it Veidt's also the only guy who could believably fund such a thing. The only other guy I'd have bought doing anything of this magnitude was Manhattan. But then that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Yeah, I mean, him doing that wouldn't really make sense, considering his whole "humanity" schpiel earlier Not only that but I just don't see him caring enough to want to wipe out mankind.
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Post by Virt McGirt on Mar 10, 2009 4:00:53 GMT -5
In the book, there's a part in it where Doctor Manhattan's reminiscing about first meeting the Watchmen and how Ozymandias (Adrian Veidt)is really the only one he can relate to. Thinking back, I suppose that's somewhat of a precursor of things to come, but, it took me like 3 reads to even understand it fully, so perhaps that's why I'm barely recalling this now ;D
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Post by Vizier on Mar 10, 2009 4:38:42 GMT -5
Saw it tonight. Never been more depressed after a movie ever. It was very good but... very, very deep.
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Post by Grendel on Mar 10, 2009 8:58:23 GMT -5
Every body, it's all good! They hated it, you loved it. Neither of you are right or wrong. I personally agree with Cela and R-Man more so because I loved it to, but there is no reason to get this worked up over opinions. At the end of the day, this is the bottom line. Because Stone Cold Said So? ;D Just kidding. Anyway, it's like every other movie that gets debated on here, some lovers of the stuff, some haters, and some meh. Reminds me of the discussions on this board when The Dark Knight was released. But everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and nothing that gets said here is going to sway anyone's opinion on the movie ... As I've said before, I liked it. And I'm going to like it even more when I see it this weekend in IMAX.
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Post by kittenfantastico on Mar 10, 2009 11:51:34 GMT -5
I truly enjoyed the movie, although I can't call myself a true critic since I haven't read the comic. That's my own fault... jamofpearls has been pointing to the copy in our house for over 2 months now. Telling me I need to read it before going to see the movie. I want to read it before watching this again when it comes out on DVD though.
P.S. I will admit, the blue dong was a bit much... [that's what she said].
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