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Post by Bullhead on Mar 6, 2009 15:00:39 GMT -5
*holds watch up to ear, looks around the room*
WHAT?! WHAT?! WHAT?! WHAT?!
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Post by Pagan Warrior on Mar 6, 2009 15:01:57 GMT -5
I love the man as a performer, but the sad truth is, the Stone Cold character has always been very shallow. It's a beer swelling stupid asshole you meet at a bar or late night out on the streets just waiting for an opportunity to assault somebody. Sure, it makes a great heel, but I simply can NOT get behind the guy as a face. He isn't someone I want to cheer, he's someone I wait to finally go away and leave me alone.
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Mar 6, 2009 15:02:59 GMT -5
Do we really need more than one of these threads? read my mind, mods, can we stop these please.
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Post by corndog on Mar 6, 2009 15:10:42 GMT -5
I liked him during his rise (I really did)... and during his fued with Mcmahon... I think the transistion for me was around the Power Trip era... Then they overpowered Austin, and he hardly ever lost/got the worst end of exchanges... I complained about super cena... but austin's character was by far worse... Yes, after Austin's first world title reign he definitely went into the Hulk Hogan invinceable mode. But how about watching an old episode of Raw and seeing the crowd's reaction, everyone is standing and screaming at the top of their lungs. Unlike Cena you don't hear ten to twenty percent of the crowd booing, and even if they were the cheering was too loud for booing to be heard. Also between Austin and McMahon they took the WWF from looking like it was about to go under in 97, and ended up putting WCW out of business even though WCW had every major star the WWF ever made from 1984 until the mid 90s. Also Austin's merchandise sold more than any wrestler ever, including Hulk Hogan. At the time Austin was "worse than Super Cena" the WWF had the most sucess it had since the mid 80s and was a huge boom period for not just the WWF, but pro wrestling period. Raw was drawing 7-8 million viewers a week and sold out every arena it went to. I would say that the WWE with Cena as it's main guy is not even coming close. Also the WWE has pretty much done whatever they can to get fans to cheer Cena. Heck Austin first became popular when he fueded with the top face in the company, who they later had to turn heel because of their fued. I honestly think if Cena fueded with Orton, Cena might have gotten booed. Nonetheless, I didn't enjoy Austin's ring work after 97, and if you want to criticize the way his character was used at times that is fine. But to complain about Austin being invinceable and being the 90s Hulk Hogan that is just plain retarded. I guess Hogan should have jobbed to Andre since he was half his size.
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Post by Ramses on Mar 6, 2009 15:22:51 GMT -5
yay, finally I don't feel alone. I could never get behind this guy, seriously. I just looked at him and said "ho hum, redneck" and payed more attention to the Rock and Jericho.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Mar 6, 2009 17:36:19 GMT -5
Great face for the company, heel turn fell flat,IMO. They had him win the title with help from Vince and the crowd still cheered for him.
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Post by Fantozzi on Mar 6, 2009 17:45:18 GMT -5
he almost always sucked after 1999. horribly stale as a face, implausible as a mcmahon-loving heel
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 6, 2009 18:26:08 GMT -5
ITs better than the 75 daily Mickie threads. I disagree. But then again, if you're the type of person that just wants to roll into THOSE threads and flame/complain/bitch just to be contrary and an asshole, I can see these threads being right up your alley. After all, their sole purpose is merely to tear someone down/crap all over them. What I mean, is its better to have something different than countless Mickie threads that keep popping up. Looking for variety here. As for Austin, I have alweays been a fan.
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Post by Prince Petty on Mar 6, 2009 19:03:38 GMT -5
The guy was a one note rebel without a cause, to me. I never connected to him at all.
His never-ending confrontations with Vince always bored the Hell out of me. I found him interminably dull in the ring, as he only ever did of punch/kick/Lou Thesz press/Stunner. Wash, rinse, repeat. Yawn.
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Post by Lara on Mar 6, 2009 19:34:19 GMT -5
He beat his wife.
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Post by OriasPool on Mar 6, 2009 19:47:18 GMT -5
Invasion-era Stone Cold sucked ass. According to the man himself, it was like casting John Wayne as a Nazi. A shame since before the Invasion, Stone Cold's heel run was working very well. ...that's not really depreciation, is it? he overall sucked, but he had his moments. If it wasn't for Invasion Era Austin, we may never have gotten the awesome Booker T vs Stone Cold Steve Austin...in a grocery store match. Or the funny as hell RVD/Austin interrogation scene.
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Post by S-Chrome on Mar 6, 2009 19:59:18 GMT -5
His first heel run as the leader of the McMahon Alliance was excellent before HHH got injured. I'm almost certain had it not been for Hunter's injury, Austin's run as a heel in 2001 could've been something special.
His invasion-heel run was just OK. You know, when the audience didn't know when to say 'What?'
After his de-facto face turn, he dropped off a ton in terms of both match quality and entertainment value.
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Post by Firearm: Supposed Big Deal on Mar 6, 2009 20:02:06 GMT -5
What?
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Mar 6, 2009 20:09:29 GMT -5
1996 to 2000 Austin was great. After that he became mediocre like the rest and The Rock left for Hollywood. These are the two biggest reasons WWE sucks today
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Post by trevortime on Mar 6, 2009 20:18:01 GMT -5
he almost always sucked after 1999. horribly stale as a face, implausible as a mcmahon-loving heel He was not McMahon-loving. Go back and watch the YouTube of the night after his turn, and of his whole heel turn. He was a bad ass post-Wrestlemania. His "coward heel" worked, too, for me, but immediately after Wrestlemania has to be the most intense heel turn I've ever seen, with his beating of the Hardys and JR and others.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Mar 6, 2009 20:54:47 GMT -5
I used to love Austin as a kid. His appearances on Celebrity Deathmatch made an already cool show even cooler. Austin turning heel wasn't a problem to me, but I hated the reasoning behind it. After watching years of people turning heel because they got sick and tired of the fans(Rock, Hogan), were crazy(Mankind), attempting a takeover(NWO), were psychotic cultists(Raven, Undertaker), or just drugged-up(Shawn Michaels) made turning heel for the sole purpose of getting a piece of tin and leather seem trite. It reminded me of when WCW turned Goldberg and Sting heel; nobody asked for it, but if they had done it right instead of for stupid reasons it would have worked.
I hated having to see Austin play sidekick to HHH and the Two Man Power-Trip reaked of one of those put-together tag teams where they just put two singles wrestlers together. It never made sense considering what had happened between the two for the past 2-3 years and it was like the WWF suddenly quit caring about making sense. It annoyed me that when Rock was heel, Austin always dominated him and yet when it was the other way around, it took a miracle for Rock to beat the guy until WM 19.
However, Austin put on some great matches during his second heel run and his promos were gold. His feuds were generally exciting despite the increasingly bad writing. I felt he did a great job as the leader of the Alliance and I wish they would have gone further with his rivalry with RVD.
I personally think that Austin was great in 1998-1999, but if I had been watching WWF in 1996 and 1997, I think I would have been suprised at how much his character changed. As much as I didn't like Austin's heel turn in 2001, I feel that his face run in 2002 was horrible. It was more of the same, but without the drive and fire that made Austin interesting to watch. Then, when he got taken off TV, I assumed it was for beating his wife. That pretty much killed my love for Stone Cold. I respect the guy as an entertainer, but as a person I can't say much except that his beatings at the hand of Tess were probably karma.
Some people complain that Austin didn't have a large moveset, but I think that's silly. It's not the number of moves you have that matters; it's how you perform them and why that makes the difference.
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Post by The Harbinger of Tragedy on Mar 6, 2009 21:15:05 GMT -5
Ok. Definitive Steve Austin depreciation.
Stone Cold, an asset when first obtained in the mid 90s, had maybe several million dollars of value. Given a 30 year depreciation schedule to say maybe 5% of his current worth, and stating that he joined in 1995, presently he would be worth 58.8% of his overall worth. HOWEVER, anyone analyzing the value of wrestlers in the wrestling industry knows that performers rapidly lose value immediately
the Double line depreciation would not be inappropriate here, and I don't want to calculate that
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Post by The Harbinger of Tragedy on Mar 6, 2009 21:16:01 GMT -5
Ok. Definitive Steve Austin depreciation. Stone Cold, an asset when first obtained in the mid 90s, had maybe several million dollars of value. Given a 30 year depreciation schedule to say maybe 5% of his current worth, and stating that he joined in 1995, presently he would be worth 58.8% of his overall worth. HOWEVER, anyone analyzing the value of wrestlers in the wrestling industry knows that performers rapidly lose value immediately the Double line depreciation would not be inappropriate here, and I don't want to calculate that Oops, I forgot to mention that was straight line depreciation
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Post by taylorandborland on Mar 6, 2009 21:16:24 GMT -5
people saying Austin's 2001 heel run sucked need to reevaluate their lives. Him kissing McMahon's ass and acting cowardly were out of character but he made the transition perfectly from the bionic redneck.
Unlike other psycho/paranoid heels, he actually made the gimmick his own.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Mar 6, 2009 21:33:10 GMT -5
After all, their sole purpose is merely to tear someone down/crap all over them. Eh, if I wanted to see that, I'd watch "The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior".
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