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Post by -Lithium- on Mar 6, 2009 22:19:42 GMT -5
Austin was awesome during his heel run in the Invasion. I dunno what everyones talking about.
And this "*Wrestler* Depreciation" isnt gonna become a fad for the next couple days is it?
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Post by S-Chrome on Mar 6, 2009 22:47:06 GMT -5
I hated having to see Austin play sidekick to HHH and the Two Man Power-Trip reaked of one of those put-together tag teams where they just put two singles wrestlers together. It never made sense considering what had happened between the two for the past 2-3 years and it was like the WWF suddenly quit caring about making sense. It annoyed me that when Rock was heel, Austin always dominated him and yet when it was the other way around, it took a miracle for Rock to beat the guy until WM 19. Austin definitely was not the sidekick in the Power Trip. He was the WWF Champion, he didn't deserve to be the sidekick.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Mar 6, 2009 22:49:29 GMT -5
And this "*Wrestler* Depreciation" isnt gonna become a fad for the next couple days is it? NO.
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Post by taylorandborland on Mar 6, 2009 22:52:39 GMT -5
And this "*Wrestler* Depreciation" isnt gonna become a fad for the next couple days is it? NO. DAMN IT. I was gonna take this thing to new heights. This would've been the most epic running gag in WrestleCrap history. I would've made Snitsky and I Don't Know look like pet rocks and parachute pants.
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Post by Matt Dunn on Mar 6, 2009 22:58:22 GMT -5
The what chants give me a migraine and may perhaps lead to an anger stroke.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Mar 7, 2009 0:18:18 GMT -5
Austin was awesome during his heel run in the Invasion. I dunno what everyones talking about. And this "*Wrestler* Depreciation" isnt gonna become a fad for the next couple days is it? The only time I liked Austin was during his crazy heel days in the Invasion. And now I hate him with a passion for getting the morons in the crowd to chant "What?" years after its relevant.
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Post by hmbnimbus on Mar 8, 2009 8:17:59 GMT -5
At the risk of this sounding like a bump - which it is totally NOT..... I didn't make this thread to crap over Austin. For the most part, the majority of people have contributed to this thread in a civilised manner - which is what I hope would happen in a place of serious wrestling discussion. I don't hate or dislike him, I just never found him that interesting. Of course, millions did and it's possible to say he brought around a golden era for the WWE and pro-wrestling in general. I respect the hell out of him for what he's done for the business, it just sometimes comes across that he's untouchable in terms of his flaws (which are far outweighed by the positives, I admit). Someone alluded to how I feel a few posts back: I love the man as a performer, but the sad truth is, the Stone Cold character has always been very shallow. It's a beer swelling stupid asshole you meet at a bar or late night out on the streets just waiting for an opportunity to assault somebody. Sure, it makes a great heel, but I simply can NOT get behind the guy as a face. He isn't someone I want to cheer, he's someone I wait to finally go away and leave me alone. This is how I feel, it's not to tear down Steve Austin himself, it's the character he portrayed and became loved for this. Yes, I know, this is the real world and anti-heroes are somewhat revered but in my opinion I just never felt comfortable getting behind someone whom reflects some very negative stereotypes on society. Personal opinion, not "bashing" or "flaming" - I am merely trying to have a discussion here and I fully expect and hope for people to counter my argument. It's what this forum is here for, isn't it?
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Post by mainsupreme on Mar 8, 2009 8:31:02 GMT -5
Austin was one of the 5 best wrestlers ever in America. But since 2203/2004-ish he has been used like Ron Simmons. He shows up and does the same exact thing everytime and it has no impact on anyone. But Austin from 1996 to 2001 was THE MAN
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 10:20:52 GMT -5
I never understood why so many people liked him
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Post by Dave the Dave on Mar 8, 2009 10:24:36 GMT -5
He was at one time, in WCW, thought to be a at echnical specialist. THen he became a brawler when the gimmick called for it, then he got hurt and pretty much had to be.
He was always entertaining, though some of his matches don't hold up well over time. I will admit.
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Post by mrjl on Mar 8, 2009 10:33:47 GMT -5
Now this is one I can get behind. same here. From Stunnign Steve to Stone Cold I just never liked him. Never had much of a move set, seemingly doing a lot of what his opponents did, I hated the Stone Cold character
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Post by Beans on Mar 8, 2009 10:33:48 GMT -5
As much money as Austin made between 1998-2000 you've got to ask yourself whether or not he would have been so successul without the Mr McMahon character to set it off against. Yes he went on to have successful feuds with Rock, HHH, HBK and all the rest of it, but would any of that have happened without Vince's evil boss persona?
For me it's a character and a gimmick that was a reaction to another rather than a genuine creation on it's own.
I also don't think as a person, Austin is that mature. Without even mentioning allegations of domestic violence in his home life he very quickly developed a huge ego which I don't think he gets enough criticism for.
Hogan was/is a deluded egostistical maniac, HBK is/was a petulent little turd - but neither of them actually walked out on Vince and what's more walked out twice. It's just not done, you go out there and even if you disagre you do what's asked. Even if Austin said "Look Vince if you job me to Lesnar I promise it'll be the last time I work for you" but you still go out and do it. You don't just get on a plane and turn around and head home without so much of a word because you're in a sulk that things haven't gone your way.
I think Austin has issues dealing with situation that aren't going entirely his way and I think he's easily threatened. He seems to hold grudges too. Rather than accept that in WCW he was an easily disposable lower-midcarder he somehow transplants what he became into what he was then and in his mind WCW got rid of a huge money making star with great drawing ability, great personality and 5 star performer - they didn't. He later became all of those things but in his mind I'm sure he thinks that he always was which is why he's seemingly so bitter about his release.
He also blames Hogan for this but I wonder how much Hulk knew or cared. I suspect just as much as Austin did when lower-card talent were victims of the roster cut annually when he was on top - I suspect not a lot.
For all he's given to the business and for all the business has given to him he doesn't seem to have handled it well. He seems......bitter before his time. Even around the time of WM19 as his full time career virtually came to an end he seemed to have the demeanor and attitude of a 60 year old has-been, resentful of not it being his time anymore.
I also think a lot of his impact has been distorted by the 'record breaking' success that he had. Let us be under no illusions, WWE broke no new ground under the Austin era. Local, cable and national television programmes were long establshed, they had been the leader in the PPV market for the genre for well over ten years prior, international tours had been going on since the late 80's...so although Austin no doubt did break records, they were set up to be broken by those who had gone before him.
If you disagre then ask yourself one question - is it more of an achievement to take a product which is just on local syndicated television to cable TV available nationwide to national television to pay-per-view to global television to global PPV and huge nationals and internation tours...
OR is it more of an achievement to have all of the above all there many many years before you even joined but to be more successful at all of those things than anyone else bearing in mind just how large the WWE was as a global force by 1997 and what kind of platform they were able to provide for their top guys back then.
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