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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 7, 2009 14:00:09 GMT -5
Nobody Q. McNoneofthem.
Seriously, I never got the line of thinking that says "so-and-so's in-ring style/promos/trunks have affected the WWE for the worse". It'd be different if we were talking about the show's writing staff, or the writing staff of any TV show, since they can seriously have an impact on the program's direction.
As it stands with the workers, whatever they contribute is subjective. To me it seems like a fan not wanting to separate reality from the show.
Just felt like railing against the "this specific guy ruined everything" mindset.
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Post by B'Cup x on Mar 7, 2009 14:02:44 GMT -5
didnt Benoit have a negative impact?
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Post by Single H on Mar 7, 2009 14:04:50 GMT -5
I don' think the poster has thought this one through enough. Beniot and his case is not the only wrestler to have a negative impact on the sport.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2009 14:05:27 GMT -5
Rob Black had a Negative impact
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Mar 7, 2009 14:07:39 GMT -5
Rob Black had a Negative impact But like the OP alluded to, he was a booker, not a wrestler. I don' think the poster has thought this one through enough. Beniot and his case is not the only wrestler to have a negative impact on the sport. I'm not taking a side either way right now, but who are some of the wrestlers you're referring to? |
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 7, 2009 14:07:59 GMT -5
Well, yeah, Benoit needs no further explanation.
However, I was thinking in the context of the product week-to-week. Benoit's an exception in the overall sense of wrestling's image, and quite a large one.
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Post by Single H on Mar 7, 2009 14:12:25 GMT -5
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I'm not taking a side either way right now, but who are some of the wrestlers you're referring to?[/quote]
Owen Hart (due to his fall and death), Eddie Guerrero (dying young of drugs over dose addiction brought on by pain killers) Curt Henning (young death brought on again by drug addiction and stress), Bret Hart (concussion stroke and Montreal) and Scott Hall (alcohol dependency and addiction well publicized and even used in storylines in WCW brought on again by stress and probably pain due to injuries) that is just to name 5.
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Post by Single H on Mar 7, 2009 14:13:14 GMT -5
Well, yeah, Benoit needs no further explanation. However, I was thinking in the context of the product week-to-week. Benoit's an exception in the overall sense of wrestling's image, and quite a large one. Drunk Scott Hall in WCW maybe? |
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Post by George Harrison on Mar 7, 2009 14:24:32 GMT -5
All the deaths have a negative impact, but I dont think that's what the original poster mean because they aren't actually affecting the product per se.
I think maybe HBK, Hogan, HHH, or anyone like that who is big on backstage politics affects the game the most. I think a lack of talent can also bring a product down, as a lot of people hate on the mid-90s WWF (Diesel-Mabel era)
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Post by MAGGLE on Mar 7, 2009 14:26:22 GMT -5
Well, yeah, Benoit needs no further explanation. However, I was thinking in the context of the product week-to-week. Benoit's an exception in the overall sense of wrestling's image, and quite a large one. Drunk Scott Hall in WCW maybe? Drunk Scott hall in TNA maybe? .....what do you mean both companys are the same anyway? |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 7, 2009 14:28:45 GMT -5
You know, Nobody Q. McNoneofthem would have been world champ if Hunter Hulk Hogan wasn't holding him down!
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Post by Krimzon on Mar 7, 2009 14:36:44 GMT -5
The only people I'd go with in this case are Cryme Tyme. They are a walking negative stereotype that projects a bad image.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Mar 7, 2009 14:38:39 GMT -5
Well Jose Gonzales murdering Brody more or less ended any interest in Puerto Rican Pro Wrestling. To this day the territory has struggled to recover.
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Post by Stu on Mar 7, 2009 14:41:19 GMT -5
The only people I'd go with in this case are Cryme Tyme. They are a walking negative stereotype that projects a bad image. I think this is an example of what the OP meant. Essentially, he's talking about ACTIVE WRESTLERS having a negative impact on the company. Guys who are on TV every week and hurting WWE's image in the process. |
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 7, 2009 14:42:39 GMT -5
The only people I'd go with in this case are Cryme Tyme. They are a walking negative stereotype that projects a bad image. I think this is an example of what the OP meant. Essentially, he's talking about ACTIVE WRESTLERS having a negative impact on the company. Guys who are on TV every week and hurting WWE's image in the process. That's basically what I mean. Even though I don't agree, since I think CT are funny. |
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Post by Single H on Mar 7, 2009 14:53:09 GMT -5
Any stereotype would fall into that category then the one type that stick's out throughout the years is all Samoans are nothing but savages (The Wild Samoans, The Headshrinkers, Umaga and many more) the only Samoan that does not fit in is Samoa Joe. However the vast majority of casual wrestling fans have no idea who he is as he has never been given a decent run in a major wrestling promotion.
Prepays from a parents standpoint letting there kids watch wrestling. Eddie Guerrero 'lie cheat and steal'
American Wrestling has always stereotyped Japanese wrestlers as evil foreigners who always know some form of martial arts. Even a person who is not forgein but has slightly 'slanty eyes' will be potrayed as forgein and evil in the wrestlnig world.
Austin and his over the top cursing and beer drinking perhaps form a parents standpoint in letting there kids watch wrestling and Austin not being 'kid friendly'
Sandman falls into same category as Austin on a week to week basis just not as well recognized or known
And again drunk Scott Hall and the smoking Giant in WCW as well as a Hawk drunk storylines week to week back in the late 90's WWF.
These are just eight examples of wrestlers who can be seen as having a negative example on the business week to week and there are plenty of more. Even if some of the exapmles (Austin) are or were massively over and a huge draw for the WWE/F it did not mean that they did not have a negative impact on the business.
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Post by Single H on Mar 7, 2009 14:54:23 GMT -5
Drunk Scott Hall in WCW maybe? Drunk Scott hall in TNA maybe? .....what do you mean both companys are the same anyway?  TNA is no where near the same league as WCW and no way shape or form reassembles or reminds me of WCW.WCW was for the most part awesome TNA for the most part is pure trash. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2009 14:56:17 GMT -5
Nobody Q. McNoneofthem is an a*****e though
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Post by neilfrazier on Mar 7, 2009 15:04:00 GMT -5
The two things that had a negative impact were the introduction of hardcore elements (ECW) and the "what?" chant.
The "what?" chant kind of speaks for itself. It killed so many promos and proved to be incredibly annoying during a HHH opening Raw promo where you just wanted it to end.
The hardcore elements turned the WWE into a spotfest and away from actual wrestling. In the past year it seems like there has been more wrestling, and it's no coincidence the ratings are up. Hardcore matches changed Vince's perception into creating "shock value" value to create ratings instead of just simply wrestling and having character development.
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Post by Single H on Mar 7, 2009 15:07:03 GMT -5
The two things that had a negative impact were the introduction of hardcore elements (ECW) and the "what?" chant. The "what?" chant kind of speaks for itself. It killed so many promos and proved to be incredibly annoying during a HHH opening Raw promo where you just wanted it to end. The hardcore elements turned the WWE into a spotfest and away from actual wrestling. In the past year it seems like there has been more wrestling, and it's no coincidence the ratings are up. Hardcore matches changed Vince's perception into creating "shock value" value to create ratings instead of just simply wrestling and having character development. I would also agree that these were two things that also had a negatvie impact on the buisness weeki to week as well as a lot of other things. |
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