HBK/Taker at WM 25: Let's talk about it

[The Nature Girl]

Well, now that it's officially on the card, how excited are you guys for this match? Do you think HBK has got a chance in hell (pun intended) to actually beat 'Taker's streak? Or will he end up like all of them and Undertaker will still be undefeated after their match is over? Do you think they can pull off a great match out of each other in this day and age?

Discuss.

[Robbymac]

HBK has no chance of winning, but that doesn't matter. The match will be a classic.

[Bub (BLM)]

Mar 3, 2009 9:30:35 GMT -5 Robbymac said:

HBK has no chance of winning, but that doesn't matter. The match will be a classic.

That's basically how I feel as well. That's actually the one thing I hate about Undertaker's streak, honestly. They have a month to hype this match up but none of it matters one bit. They've made it so clear that Undertaker's streak will never end that you can't believe for one second that his opponent stands a chance in hell. Once Orton lost at WrestleMania 21, that was when I realized that the streak would never end.

[Woooooolhouse!]

Maybe if Shawn started to brag up his retiring of Ric Flair last year- how he beat another legend at Wrestlemania to end not just a streak, but a career- we could all start to believe. Of course, no one actually believed last year that Shawn wasn't going to win . . . I think if Shawn is going to pull this one out, he'll need Paul Bearer in his corner.

[sage]

I was suprised when Edge lost admitedly, because all the counters for all his moves were just done so well... I found myself actualy likeing Edge. Yet Undertaker suprising him with the triangle choke hold when Edge tried to pin him was very beleavable...

I don't mind Undertaker always winning so long as it's always very plausable. In these big matches he just always has some suprise he's saveing for right when he's close to beaten. And the gimmic is on his side, too... He's got the best gimmic ever. lol

I think both of them are going to have to bring something new to this match, though, since it's not like they haven't faught eachother before and it's not like we aren't familiar with how they normaly pace their fights and the moves they use. They both know better than to be predictable, so it's got to be a good match.

One thing that interests me is the disadvantage Shawn has as far as strikeing goes. Those chops are nothing compared to a full out punch to the face. We also know Taker can snatch a person my the throught out of the air without so much as flinching, so Shawn's speed isn't going to help as much as it does against other heavyweights. (frankly I just like watching Undertaker snatch people out of the air like flies, so sorry Shawn, I'm going to enjoy watching this. lol)

[Mr Captain Falcon]

HBK needs to play up the fact that Undertaker has never actually defeated HBK (other than via DQ at breakdown in 97). HBK has beaten him in Hell in the Cell AND a casket match. HBK is the only man basically that Undertaker has not pinned that he's been in the ring with. He's pinned everyone else, from Austin to Rock, Triple H, Angle, Orton, Batista, Hogan, Cena, Sid, Kane, Big Show, Edge. There are a few that he's never pinned, like Jericho (never fought), Bret, and Benoit, but HBK is the biggest name on that list.

[Bishblast]

I don't think it'll be anywhere near the quality of their HIAC match, but it could very easily match either the Ground Zero or Casket matches.

Definitely the "show stopper" of all the matches signed.

[sage]

Mar 3, 2009 9:46:51 GMT -5 Mr Captain Falcon said:

HBK needs to play up the fact that Undertaker has never actually defeated HBK (other than via DQ at breakdown in 97). HBK has beaten him in Hell in the Cell AND a casket match. HBK is the only man basically that Undertaker has not pinned that he's been in the ring with. He's pinned everyone else, from Austin to Rock, Triple H, Angle, Orton, Batista, Hogan, Cena, Sid, Kane, Big Show, Edge. There are a few that he's never pinned, like Jericho (never fought), Bret, and Benoit, but HBK is the biggest name on that list.

Good point. I'm a new fan, so I'm not caught up on their history yet. I only knew that Undertaker lost the HIAC to Shawn due to Kane's interfearance. I don't know anything about the Casket Match. But it is hard for me to imagine how Shawn could beat Taker. 0_0 How'd he do it?

I'd like to see Undertaker own Jericho's ass some time.

[TheJaredAnderson]

All I can say is I think I might need to wear sunglasses and wear a scarf to view this match, its WM 25 and hopefully this will be the match we see in highlights years from now.

[keithsells]

The match should headline but it wont. I hope HBK wins.

[thedavefather]

Can't wait it is going to TEAR the house down and will be better then there outstanding Casket and Ground Zero matches, but since the Hell in a Cell is my all time fav match, i can't see it beating that.

Now on to this Jericho bit. I believe that Jerciho will indeed switch to SD this draft, and have a huge feud with taker. infact i think we will see those two tear it up sometime in a Hell in a Cell this year.

[Robbymac]

Mar 3, 2009 10:13:45 GMT -5 thedavefather said:

Can't wait it is going to TEAR the house down and will be better then there outstanding Casket and Ground Zero matches, but since the Hell in a Cell is my all time fav match, i can't see it beating that.

Now on to this Jericho bit. I believe that Jerciho will indeed switch to SD this draft, and have a huge feud with taker. infact i think we will see those two tear it up sometime in a Hell in a Cell this year.

I think you can bank on this year's cell being Trips and Orton.

[Gregor-2012]

To be fair they have been teasing this match since Taker won the 2007 Royal Rumble, so the build up this month should be awesome.

I wouldnt be surprised if Shawn won really, perhaps after some interference from Kozlov or JBL. Then they could work a programme between HBK and Taker where the Undertaker questions Shawn Michaels faith due to his dubious victory at Wrestlemania and that The Undertaker is prepared to drag Michaels down to hell with him.

[mrmario]

HBK will win this one. This will be payback for the 98 casket match. Plus HBK knows how to get on Vince's good side... by getting a little head.....

[Magician under the moonlight]

Will be great no doubt. Taker will be going over since HBK won the last feud they had.

[Jay-Jay]

You know, everyone thinks this match will be a classic, but what if its not? What if it doesn't live up to the hype? not saying it doesn't, i'm just throwing out other possibilities. I believe it will be the MOTN at Wrestlemania, hopefully anyways as i'm in attendence and don't actually intend on being disappointed in the match.

[craigdanbeaton]

Mar 3, 2009 9:54:33 GMT -5 sage said:

Mar 3, 2009 9:46:51 GMT -5 Mr Captain Falcon said:

HBK needs to play up the fact that Undertaker has never actually defeated HBK (other than via DQ at breakdown in 97). HBK has beaten him in Hell in the Cell AND a casket match. HBK is the only man basically that Undertaker has not pinned that he's been in the ring with. He's pinned everyone else, from Austin to Rock, Triple H, Angle, Orton, Batista, Hogan, Cena, Sid, Kane, Big Show, Edge. There are a few that he's never pinned, like Jericho (never fought), Bret, and Benoit, but HBK is the biggest name on that list.

But it is hard for me to imagine how Shawn could beat Taker. 0_0 How'd he do it?

I'm presuming you're talking about the casket match.... if so then

Undertaker had just chokeslammed Michaels and had then tombstoned him into the casket. Then just before he shut the lid the New Age Outlaws and Los Boricuas rand down and attacked Taker.
Kane (who if I remmeber rightly had "reconciled" with his brother) came down and took them out, before turing around and chokeslamming Taker whilst Chyna and HHH got Michaels out the casket, Kane threw Taker into the casket.
Paul Bearer came down and instructed Kane to lock the casket, they then set it on fire.

Oh and another titbit for you about the match: This was the match which led to Shawn MIchaels retiring for 4 years.

[MGH]

Mar 3, 2009 11:42:25 GMT -5 Jay-Jay said:

You know, everyone thinks this match will be a classic, but what if its not? What if it doesn't live up to the hype? not saying it doesn't, i'm just throwing out other possibilities. I believe it will be the MOTN at Wrestlemania, hopefully anyways as i'm in attendence and don't actually intend on being disappointed in the match.

If it isn't then .... it isn't. Not like it would be the first time a match failed to live up to expectations.

I said Flair vs. Shawn would be MOTY last year, and by the end I was proven right (IMO anyway) and I'm saying now again, these two are going to wrap up MOTY early once again. I do think this will top HIAC, though to be fair I don't hold that match in nearly as high regard as so many others on here do. I think this is going to be their best match to date as both are better in ring now than they've ever been, and it's the main reason I'm now counting the days for Mania.

[Professor Chaos]

I say they give HBK the big rub of ending the streak. He's a bright young up and comer so could really use it.

[Deleted]

Going into it, you'll be "sure" that Taker is going to win.

During the match, they'll make you think otherwise, (yet Taker will win).


So that's a good match.