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Post by doubleyou on Jul 2, 2005 9:49:36 GMT -5
Blah blah blah...
"Oooh, Hogan MADE wrestling. LIKE HIM! LIKE HIM!"
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Post by jack22 on Jul 2, 2005 9:58:40 GMT -5
Well there's no greatever evidence of the ovations Hogan gets, the ratings he got etc.
Name ONE person in WWE right now who the crowd enjoy watching more. Name one. There isn't one.
It's not all about Hogan being the biggest draw in the history of the sport, bigger than Flair, Bret, Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Andre, Sammartino, Shawn Michaels, HHH, Warrior, Piper, Santana, RVD, Booker T, Chris Jericho,.....and everyone else ever to step inside a wrestling ring......its not about that.
It's about the FACT, that Hulk Hogan is the most exciting person associated with WWE at the moment and YES that is a HUGE worry for the company that a guy who was past it really in 1990 is still the main special attraction but it's the way it is, don't blame Hogan for his popularity, blame Vince and others for not creating someone else who can do that.
Yes its a nostalgia pop, yes something more "constructive" could be done with the time but, excuse my french - sod it - this is wrestling its about having fun its about the atmosphere it's about the moment and at the moment like it or NOT it's about Hulkamania.
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Post by doubleyou on Jul 2, 2005 10:13:48 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan is the most exciting person associated with WWE?
Nostalgic comeback which only the crowd cares about, Hulk Up, big boot, legdrop of doom.
Huzzah for the guy who drew ratings back in 1902.
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Post by HoagieWithPastrami on Jul 2, 2005 10:16:53 GMT -5
It seemed like the pop for Cena was 10Xs louder than the Hogan pop.
If you watch, they panned the camera to people in the crowd who just kinda sitting there when he came out.
So I think the formula is ONE Hogan appearance per year to get the large pop. With each additional appearance, the pop decreases in volume.
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Post by jack22 on Jul 2, 2005 10:19:31 GMT -5
And the ovation Matt Hardy got (or didnt get as the case turned out) on Raw was 10X bigger than that...so of course that proves Matt Hardy is the biggest name in the history of wrestling
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Post by doubleyou on Jul 2, 2005 10:22:28 GMT -5
Hey, don't roll your eyes at us - you're the one trying to convince us that Hogan is so bloody fantastic because the crowd cheers for him.
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Post by jack22 on Jul 2, 2005 10:27:15 GMT -5
Ratings, merchendising, money, pops, popularity, fame.......how else are we supposed to judge how great a superstar is?
Hogan and Austin are the ONLY two who have ever pulled that off. Austin is great on TV, Hogan is great on TV and until they find two guys who can replace them, and damnit 20 years on they haven;t yet, I hope both guys continue to bless our TV screens because they are what Sports Entertainment is all about.
A quote which Bobby Heenan made (not a quote but a rough guess of what he said using different words) if you want to see wrestling go to the bingo hall in Kentucky, if you want to be entertained watch WWE.
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Post by doubleyou on Jul 2, 2005 10:28:32 GMT -5
Well, there's this thing.
It's called "Ressling" or something like that.
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Post by doubleyou on Jul 2, 2005 10:30:43 GMT -5
Besides, John Cena sells merchandise, gets pops and has released an album. Is he on par with the Hulkster, too?
Also, Matt Hardy got a bigger pop than Hogan DESPITE not even having an on-screen role and having been in the lower midcard for years.
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Post by jack22 on Jul 2, 2005 10:36:32 GMT -5
Your not a wrestling fan. If you were you wouldn't watch HHH.
WWE IS NOT WRESTLING. I hate to break it to you but it hasn't been ever since Vince McMahon jnr took over the company. WWE is childish, its cartoony, its over-the-top, it's absurd, it's ridiculous, it's brash, its bold, its arrogant ....it's all those things but dude, it isn't wrestling. It's an entertainment show based on a performance some call wrestling. And you know it and it's why you watch. It's why Hogan Vs Andre is the biggest match ever. It's why Hogan is the biggest name ever. It's why storylines will get more bums on seats than a German suplex. It's why we are here.
So before we go any further anyone who claims to be a "wrestling" fan really has their argument totally undermind by the fact they watch WWE. This is Jerry Springer TV, it's not a indepth discussion show its garbage, it's trashy, its loud, its ridicilous and it's GREAT fun.
If it was all about real wrestling Chris Benoit would be the most popular guy in the business over the past 20 years, but he isn't. Showmanship, simple as that.
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Post by doubleyou on Jul 2, 2005 10:41:44 GMT -5
Funny, you claim that Benoit, who was one of the victims of Triple H's so-called "burying of the talented guys and general evilness MWUAHAHAH", couldn't become one of the most popular guys in the business. So, in this thread, Chris Benoit is boring, but in the other thread, Triple H holds him down.
Oh, and one of the primary factors of Austin's ascention to main event status was WrestleMania 13, where he wrestled a ***** match. Oops, I forgot - ring skills don't matter in WWE.
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Post by jack22 on Jul 2, 2005 10:45:27 GMT -5
Well when the biggest name ever in the business clearly had none - it proves it's not what you got, but how you use it that counts.
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Post by General Zod on Jul 2, 2005 11:20:29 GMT -5
The fans are always going to react for a guy who's been gone for a while, be it Hulk Hogan or Matt Freakin' Hardy.
I honestly can't believe the number of folks who are truly upset with Hogan coming back for a couple of weeks.
I'm not the biggest Hulkamaniac in the world, nor would I ever profess to be, but to say Hogan doesn't deserve his cemented spot in Pro Wrestling is like saying pepperoni has no business on a pizza. You can't go wrong with what has worked for years and years.
He's not the most technically sound wrestler. Nor is it believable that he could win any major titles. So as long as they don't have him try to do either, what's the issue with him coming back to promote a show? How many times has Mick Foley come back to promote one of his crappy books? (and yes, let's face it - every book since Have a Nice Day has been crap). How many plugs for Fozzy has Jericho ever gotten in on any given show? Anytime that the business can capitalize on outside interests that will also interest the fans; especially outside interests that attract the casual viewer, you can better bet your sweet behind that the business is going to take everything they can from it and then some.
And who better than Hulk Hogan? He was arguably the biggest icon for "Sports Entertainment" in the 80's. He can get by on his name recognition alone. Don't believe me? How many movies has Hogan made despite his prior box office drawing power?
I think I've made my point.
I really think that if you can't handle small doses of Hogan now and again, then you should probably re-examine what it is about the current product you enjoy watching. Hell, I'm just about the most vocal "old school" "old guy" on these boards, and even *I* like seeing Hogan on my TV once in a while. Despite the fact that I consider myself a wrestling fan, I can let myself get taken back to a nostolgia trip for the sake of fun once in a while.
Don't get me wrong. I understand there are some who have never liked Hogan, and some who never will. Hey, I'm cool with that. But quit acting like the apocolypse is upon us everytime he's on a wrestling boradcast.
What are YOU gonna do, brother??
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Post by kanyoncutter on Jul 2, 2005 12:07:02 GMT -5
Heck man Hogan blows in the ring at this point in his career but it was a tag match. He didnt have to carry the match and he didnt. Sure it is a routine in a tag match with him to see what happened happen, but it is fun to see him clean house old geezer style at the end. Plus hogan is entertaining and a lot of fun to watch cause you can tell love him or hate him that he enjoys what he does.
I have to say the wwe helped create something they cant destroy with hulk hogan and the internet cant destroy him either. Besides when he makes an appearance all the hatred from WCW just rises up in everyone. HHH is target one, people remember hogan only holds powers of a legend wrestler not contract clauses anymore.
On a side note that made me think sgt slaughter needs to win a damn match once in a while. He couldnt break the master lock and last year I watched him at a RAW I went to lose to la resistance in a tag match.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jul 2, 2005 13:33:09 GMT -5
On the bright side at least it wasn't Jericho or Christian jobbing to a Fireman's Carry or a Leg Drop.
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Post by Bhester on Jul 2, 2005 15:53:44 GMT -5
Hogan beat Tyson F--king Tomko... who does that impress? The sheep marks?
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Post by Loki on Jul 2, 2005 16:12:15 GMT -5
I just don't get why I can't say I DO NOT mark out for Hogan's last match #14742 without being exposed to the usual gospel about Hulk's role in wrestling history.
He's been the top of the top from 83 to 93 (WWF) and still drew like hell in WCW. He's one of the icons of wrestling, well known and recognized outside of the "insiders" world. He's still loved by the fans, who give him huge pops. He's still an attraction and can be entertaining once in a while, even though it's the same routine again and again.
BUT
if some of us don't care anymore, please, leave us alone...
I know what Hogan did, maybe it's that I don't think it makes sense at this stage of his career. If he wants a program, whatever it is, fine. Let's see what Hulk can do. If Flair is still wrestling from time to time, why shouldn't Hogan. But if it's just a "reminder" of his presence, unnecessary storyline-wise, then I don't care.
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Post by Asics Johnson on Jul 2, 2005 16:13:38 GMT -5
Here's my simplified solution to the age-old Hulk Hogan argument:
It basically boils down to your opinion. No one is right or wrong, really. Hulk Hogan may have done all kinds of good for the business, and he may have done all kinds of bad for the business (I don't buy it, personally, but that's just me)... it just depends on your personal standpoint.
However, Hulk Hogan does belong on television. I know, I know, a lot of people are tired of seeing him. Same is the case with Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, and The Undertaker. The thing is, folks, those names still sell at any point. Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels routinely get huge cheers on Monday Night Raw, appearing nearly every week in some capacity. The Undertaker, when he appears on SmackDown, still gets the biggest pop of the night, bar none. Steve Austin, much like Hulk Hogan, appears on the live show every great now and then, and the crowd always pops HUGE for him. They all have a place in today's wrestling world, be it limited (like Hogan, Austin, and The Undertaker to some extent) or as a regular face on WWE television. (like Flair and Michaels).
That's not to say that the people who like Hulk Hogan are right about how great he is. That's just straight facts. Until there are more people who hate these guys than there are people who still love to see them, then we'll continue to see them coming back for random appearances here and there. Unless, of course, they voluntarily retire.... but that rarely happens.
Anywho, Hulk Hogan is my favorite wrestler of all time. If you don't feel that way, fine. But if you don't like Hulk Hogan, even in 2005, you're still in the minority, so get used to dealing with him until he decides to hang 'em up for real.
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Post by Bobafett on Jul 2, 2005 18:19:26 GMT -5
Asics..don't make my fly to Atlanta and slap the sharpshooter on you..Hulk may be the considered by many to be greatest ever..I still don't care..in My eyes Bret Hart is better..and nothing you or anyone else can say or do will change that..its called freedom of choice.. and you can say what you like..it won't make me like Hulk..
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Post by Asics Johnson on Jul 2, 2005 18:30:44 GMT -5
Ugh.
I didn't say you had to like Hogan, boss. That was my whole point. Nobody has to like anybody. All I said was, as long as Hogan (and the like) has an audience that cares, he will be on television.
... and you shant find me in Atlanta. Too much hustle and bustle for this man.
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