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Post by erisi236 on May 30, 2009 10:34:02 GMT -5
Just a thing I tend to notice, whenever X movie is being remade, or Y series is being rebooted there's always the outcry of Hollywood "not being original anymore" or "they're out of ideas."
Well, I go to the movies a lot, and all I see is a ton of brand new movies. Are sequels original? Are reboots original? Are movies based on books/comics/games original? Hell, are remakes themselves original? They're all technically new after all, even remakes are different from the original, they only share the same basic plot.
Just as a little "what you consider original" test, here are the top 20 films thus far this year, how many of them do you consider original?
1 ~ Star Trek
2 ~ Monsters Vs. Aliens
3 ~ X-Men Origins: Wolverine
4 ~ Fast and Furious
5 ~ Paul Blart: Mall Cop
6 ~ Taken
7 ~ Watchmen
8 ~ He's Just Not That Into You
9 ~ Angels & Demons
10 ~ Tyler Perry's Madea Goes to Jail
11 ~ Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian
12 ~ Knowing
13 ~ Hannah Montana The Movie
14 ~ Coraline
15 ~ Terminator Salvation
16 ~ Hotel for Dogs
17~ I Love You, Man
18 ~ Obsessed
19 ~ Race to Witch Mountain
20 ~ Friday the 13th (2009)
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Post by Celgress on May 30, 2009 10:59:22 GMT -5
Something (meaning a concept) that has never been released in film form before is an original movie, IMHO.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 30, 2009 11:28:20 GMT -5
Considering that there were blatant literary ripoffs and homages before the rise of film, I don't consider anything "original" per se. The difference lies in special effects, characterization, and dialogue more often than the actual plot.
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Post by mrwednesdaynight on May 30, 2009 18:49:50 GMT -5
I'd consider Monsters vs Aliens, Paul Blart, Taken, He's Just Not That Into You, Knowing, Coraline, Hotel For Dogs, I Love You Man, Obsessed, and Race to Witch Mountain are the only things I'd consider original on this list. I'm surprised there are this many on the list. Seems like a movie can't be made now days unless its based on a comic book or an 80's tv show. I know there are probably reasons all those movies aren't really original and the next post will be ripping me to the stone age for being so stupid I couldn't see these movies are not original. As best I can tell, these movies aren't bases on comic books, sequals to other movies, prequals to other movies, based on tv shows, or remakes of other movies. I know He's Just Not That Into You is based on a book but it wasn't made into a movie before. Because it hasn't been seen in a visual medium before, I consider it in bounds.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Jun 1, 2009 14:37:13 GMT -5
If it isn't a remake or is a sequel I consider it new and original even if its in book or tv show format.
Also for remakes I only apply that to very similar remakes. So the two Thing films are different enough for me to consider both new assuming they came out now. As they took different concepts with the base story where as something like war of the worlds is still basically the same film.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jun 1, 2009 14:39:55 GMT -5
I'd consider Monsters vs Aliens, Paul Blart, Taken, He's Just Not That Into You, Knowing, Coraline, Hotel For Dogs, I Love You Man, Obsessed, and Race to Witch Mountain are the only things I'd consider original on this list. I'm surprised there are this many on the list. Seems like a movie can't be made now days unless its based on a comic book or an 80's tv show. I know there are probably reasons all those movies aren't really original and the next post will be ripping me to the stone age for being so stupid I couldn't see these movies are not original. As best I can tell, these movies aren't bases on comic books, sequals to other movies, prequals to other movies, based on tv shows, or remakes of other movies. I know He's Just Not That Into You is based on a book but it wasn't made into a movie before. Because it hasn't been seen in a visual medium before, I consider it in bounds. Race to Witch Mountain is NOT original. It is a remake of a 1970s Disney film. The original stars even appear in the movie. |
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Post by eJm on Jun 1, 2009 14:40:10 GMT -5
Considering that there were blatant literary ripoffs and homages before the rise of film, I don't consider anything "original" per se. The difference lies in special effects, characterization, and dialogue more often than the actual plot. I'd go as far as saying there are no fully 100% original ideas anymore. You can compare any film out today and say it's either paying homage or ripping off something else. As realfakerazor said, it lies in how well you do something and whether it's enjoyable or not. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 1, 2009 14:47:13 GMT -5
Out of all of those, just Watchmen. Some would argue that being based off of a graphic novel makes it unoriginal, but think about it in terms of films. There had never been a film anything like Watchmen, and the filmmakers took a serious chance on it by making it that way.
Don't take this as my opinion of what the best movie this year was, though. I'm a huge fan of so-called "unoriginal" ideas like Star Trek. In my opinion, I don't need movies to be original, I just need them to be good.
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Post by Toom E. Guci on Jun 1, 2009 14:47:27 GMT -5
Race to Witch Mountain is NOT original. It is a remake of a 1970s Disney film. The original stars even appear in the movie. That I didn't even notice...who were they in the remake? |
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Post by KingPopper on Jun 1, 2009 14:49:36 GMT -5
Coraline was the most original movie this year.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jun 1, 2009 14:51:12 GMT -5
Race to Witch Mountain is NOT original. It is a remake of a 1970s Disney film. The original stars even appear in the movie. That I didn't even notice...who were they in the remake? Their characters are billed as Dr. Donald Harlan and Tina. They appear on the cast list here: www.imdb.com/title/tt1075417/ |
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Jun 1, 2009 14:52:27 GMT -5
In my opinion, I don't need movies to be original, I just need them to be good. I agree with this. I may sometimes make an outcry on remakes and reboots. But, I've given quite a few of these remakes a chance and ended up liking them. At the end of the day, it's the entertainment that matters. |
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Post by taylorandborland on Jun 1, 2009 14:56:44 GMT -5
Nothing new under the sun. Unless we're talking about stuff like Aqua Teen Hunger Force, it's probably been done before. Instead of a seven year rule, it's a seventy year rule.
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Post by sunwukong on Jun 1, 2009 14:56:55 GMT -5
I'd consider Monsters vs Aliens, This was a fairly original idea, but the execution was ho-hum. No way. This is as standard as it gets. How many times have we seen the "Goodheart goof gets a chance to prove himself to everyone that doubted him" film? It's almost as old as cinema. Loved the film, but it was a revenge flick. Revenge flicks are hardly original. Standard Romantic Comedy, with an all star cast. Somewhat more original than most on the list, but still owes a great debt to Alice in Wonderland, Wizard of Oz, and countless other "Girl in strange land" works, as Gaiman is more than willing to admit. Based on a book Pretty typical guy comedy all things considered Complete knock off of all of those early 90's "sexual thrillers" (Single White Female, Fatal Attraction, The Hand that Rocks the Cradle, etc.) Remake/reimagining of an older movie. For my money, while originality is good, it's less important than a well crafted film. As a race, we've been telling stories for thousands of years. In fact, some writers will tell you that there are only three different plots to work from. It's all about what you DO with those plots, though. The stories you craft, the characters you create. That's more important than a singular idea. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Jun 1, 2009 14:59:24 GMT -5
Obsessed is a total Fatal Attraction knock-off, minus the broiled rabbit
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 1, 2009 15:01:10 GMT -5
I've got an original idea for you.
A bipolar elephant works as a defense attorney for the zookeeper who treated him poorly years ago, now being charged with an assassination attempt on the furniture chain store owner who wouldn't return his love and run away with him to the colonies on the planet Venus.
Starring Mickey Rourke as Judge Lasting.
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Post by eJm on Jun 1, 2009 16:37:56 GMT -5
In my opinion, I don't need movies to be original, I just need them to be good. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner! |
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Post by mrwednesdaynight on Jun 1, 2009 21:28:23 GMT -5
In my opinion, I don't need movies to be original, I just need them to be good. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner! Ok, I'm gonig to try one more time. If I do a shot for shot remake of Die Hard, and it is more or less the exact same movie, does that make me a creative and talented person? If you take anything for which the groundwork has been layed; comic, movie, tv, video game, and just fill in the gaps, is that really creativity, talent, or art? I say no. |
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Jun 1, 2009 21:35:48 GMT -5
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner! Ok, I'm gonig to try one more time. If I do a shot for shot remake of Die Hard, and it is more or less the exact same movie, does that make me a creative and talented person? If you take anything for which the groundwork has been layed; comic, movie, tv, video game, and just fill in the gaps, is that really creativity, talent, or art? I say no. You still have to be creative enough to fill in the gaps and make it feel different and separate from it's original incarnation. I hate to say it, but there is no such thing as original or creative today. Whenever a film, tv show, whatever gets made, somebody will point out similarites between that and something that came before it. |
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jun 1, 2009 21:47:39 GMT -5
Why are we here at Wrestlecrap so obsessed with originality? I know it is good to be original, but everyone here seems to use the unoriginality of something as being a negative. What is so interesting, is that nothing has been original for a long time. You can take any movie, book or television show, and break it down to its simpliest form, and find that it is the same story we have all seen or read a thousand times.
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