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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Apr 9, 2009 16:26:35 GMT -5
As we all know, the WWE likes to break out the undefeated streak gimmick once in a while. Then, after a few months, the writers get bored and they sort of cheat around it until eventually they just end it entirely.
So here are some questions for you all.
If a wrestler on a streak is eliminated from a battle royal or the Royal Rumble, is the streak broken in your eyes?
If a wrestler does not win a triple threat match (but is not pinned), is a streak broken? Are you more lenient about this in, say, a fatal four way or six man situation?
Eventually, these undefeated runs usually get cut down to "not yet been pinned or made to submit." Is this sort of half-streak impressive in the least?
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Post by texan on Apr 9, 2009 16:29:56 GMT -5
In my eyes, a wrestler has to be physically pinned, submitted or counted out for their undefeated streak to be broken. If they are eliminated in a battle royal, I don't count it.
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Post by Jay Carroll on Apr 9, 2009 16:33:34 GMT -5
Pin, submission, count out, disqualification, or elimination in battle royal/other gimmick match (Ladder, TLC, etc.)
How can you not lose in a battle royal? Ultimately there's one winner and everyone else lost.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Apr 9, 2009 16:47:40 GMT -5
In my eyes, a wrestler has to be physically pinned, submitted or counted out for their undefeated streak to be broken. If they are eliminated in a battle royal, I don't count it. What about a DQ? |
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Post by Square on Apr 9, 2009 16:50:37 GMT -5
I only count if your pinned or submit. There the only ways that you can truley claim that your better than another man.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Apr 9, 2009 16:55:57 GMT -5
They got a bit silly with Kozlov's. He was pinned in the Chamber, but they still played up that HBK broke his streak the week or so after.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Apr 9, 2009 16:58:35 GMT -5
They got a bit silly with Kozlov's. He was pinned in the Chamber, but they still played up that HBK broke his streak the week or so after. They did the same thing with CM Punk at D2D. He got pinned in the Chamber, but they didn't say he was defeated until he lost to Holly. |
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Post by Square on Apr 9, 2009 17:01:00 GMT -5
They got a bit silly with Kozlov's. He was pinned in the Chamber, but they still played up that HBK broke his streak the week or so after. But he wasn't wrestling one man, he was fighting 5. Undefeated steaks are only in single matches |
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 9, 2009 17:06:11 GMT -5
Battle Royale matches, no.
Everything else, yes. It doesn't matter if it's tag team or survivor series, etc, if you're not on the winning side, you lose by definition. I give a little more leniency to Battle Royale matches because of their nature, but aside from that, it doesn't matter.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Apr 9, 2009 17:10:08 GMT -5
I'm on the fence about battle royals, but undefeated should mean has not lost.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 9, 2009 17:11:20 GMT -5
They got a bit silly with Kozlov's. He was pinned in the Chamber, but they still played up that HBK broke his streak the week or so after. But he wasn't wrestling one man, he was fighting 5. Undefeated steaks are only in single matches Also it only counts on Tuesdays <_< >_> |
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Apr 9, 2009 17:25:36 GMT -5
I for one think that undefeated streaks do not necessarily have to mean the wrestler has never lost - it could mean that lately they have been unbeatable.
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Post by texan on Apr 9, 2009 18:18:49 GMT -5
In my eyes, a wrestler has to be physically pinned, submitted or counted out for their undefeated streak to be broken. If they are eliminated in a battle royal, I don't count it. What about a DQ? Forgot that one. |
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Apr 9, 2009 22:34:07 GMT -5
I for one think that undefeated streaks do not necessarily have to mean the wrestler has never lost - it could mean that lately they have been unbeatable. They wouldn't be undefeated then. They'd be unstoppable. |
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Post by skiller on Apr 9, 2009 22:38:09 GMT -5
A winning streak and an undefeated streak are two different things.
You don't have to win to continue an undefeated streak. You just have to make sure you don't suffer a direct loss to your opponent (either pin fall, submission or tko).
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Post by H-Fist on Apr 9, 2009 22:46:32 GMT -5
If you didn't win, you lost. Unless the match went to a draw/no contest, a wrestler who does not win is a loser, and thus was defeated. In the win/loss column, a loss in a triple threat match looks the same whether you were pinned/made to submit or not involved in the finish. If X pins Y in a triple threat match, what did Z do? Not win. Thus, he lost. Period.
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Post by thesunbeast on Apr 9, 2009 23:23:27 GMT -5
They won' ever say it, but I consider any non-win situation except for a draw to be a loss. People say that if you loose a triple threat match but aren't pinned then you are still undefeated, but If Undertaker were in a Wrestlemania triple threat match and one of the other guys wins the match by beating the 3rd guy, would that count as ending the streak? WWE recognizes losses on the records of all the 3rd parties on the losing ends of triple threat matches at Wrestlemania.
Besides, I say that portraying an undefeated person in any negative light about matches kind of defeats the purpose and the mystique of the streak. In WCW, they used Goldberg right, they didn't even have him in battle royals because they didn't want him to be seen getting eliminated, or he would win it otherwise, so they usually just had some sort of a cancel, like being attacked in the back or something.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Apr 9, 2009 23:28:18 GMT -5
Yeah, Undefeated streaks somehow usually end up making the guy look like a joke in the WWE.
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Post by casualobserver on Apr 10, 2009 0:10:04 GMT -5
Yeah, Undefeated streaks somehow usually end up making the guy look like a joke in the WWE. Especially when they deem a wrestler undefeated when he isn't, like Dolph Ziggler being "undefeated" when he lost his first match to Batista. |
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 10, 2009 0:47:00 GMT -5
I have a simple answer for how they can explain undefeated streaks when the guy isn't really undefeated.  <WWE Creative>Would you look at this please? |
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