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Post by Bedlam LadyD on Apr 12, 2009 22:32:26 GMT -5
I'd actually like to add into this the fact that she would take hits from the male wrestlers and do a lot more physical stuff back to them then what was typical. That was another reason she became so popular- the fact that she'd stand up and fight back.
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Post by Mothman on Apr 12, 2009 22:42:10 GMT -5
Lita was a botch machine.
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Post by Nacho STAYS Hyped on Apr 12, 2009 22:44:40 GMT -5
I'd actually like to add into this the fact that she would take hits from the male wrestlers and do a lot more physical stuff back to them then what was typical. That was another reason she became so popular- the fact that she'd stand up and fight back. Yeah, she took "hits" and did physical stuff with the men all right...
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 12, 2009 22:46:45 GMT -5
i was browsing wf.com and saw this in someones siggy If the love triangle didnt happen, would she be the 7 time womens champ, the benchmark/gold standard for all womens wrestlers? or would trish still be the womens wrestling icon? there are lot of factors to take into consideration- so think before you answer Of course there wouldn't be "Litacanranas" without a chick named "Lita". What a daft twit she is. Also, Trish Stratus got her start at virtually the exact same time, so I fail to see why, even in kayfabe, Lita would try to act like she's some kind of WWE veteran above Trish. Also, Lita couldn't wrestle for crap, even by Diva standards. All she knew how to do was flop around like a fish out of water and hit a dead-weight floppy moonsault.
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Post by Mr. Nice on Apr 12, 2009 22:48:43 GMT -5
I'd actually like to add into this the fact that she would take hits from the male wrestlers and do a lot more physical stuff back to them then what was typical. That was another reason she became so popular- the fact that she'd stand up and fight back. Yeah, she took "hits" and did physical stuff with the men all right... ;D!!!!!
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Post by Widow's Peak on Apr 12, 2009 22:49:09 GMT -5
i was browsing wf.com and saw this in someones siggy If the love triangle didnt happen, would she be the 7 time womens champ, the benchmark/gold standard for all womens wrestlers? or would trish still be the womens wrestling icon? there are lot of factors to take into consideration- so think before you answer Of course there wouldn't be "Litacanranas" without a chick named "Lita". What a daft twit she is. Also, Trish Stratus got her start at virtually the exact same time, so I fail to see why, even in kayfabe, Lita would try to act like she's some kind of WWE veteran above Trish. She was there longer than Trish for one. Also, she was a heel. And she didn't write the promo herself...
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 12, 2009 23:00:31 GMT -5
Of course there wouldn't be "Litacanranas" without a chick named "Lita". What a daft twit she is. Also, Trish Stratus got her start at virtually the exact same time, so I fail to see why, even in kayfabe, Lita would try to act like she's some kind of WWE veteran above Trish. She was there longer than Trish for one. Also, she was a heel. And she didn't write the promo herself... Hence why I said "... even in kayfabe".
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Post by Widow's Peak on Apr 12, 2009 23:06:33 GMT -5
She was there longer than Trish for one. Also, she was a heel. And she didn't write the promo herself... Hence why I said "... even in kayfabe". And in kayfabe, the heel Diva would definitely say that she was more important and significant than than the face Diva. In kayfabe, she would be jealous of the attention Trish got and want to chastise the people for their worship of her. It was actually a pretty good promo in that regard.
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Post by rrm15 on Apr 12, 2009 23:10:34 GMT -5
It would be about the same. When talking about Lita I really don't think a lot of people mention the slut phase. Its there, sure, but her career was way longer than just that last year or so. The people who dont like her still wouldn't.
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Post by celticjobber on Apr 12, 2009 23:32:03 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Vince judges female wrestlers on their looks. For instance, he thought Francine was a total dog, so he never used her much in the new ECW and eventually released her. I'm not saying Lita was a dog, but she had kind of a rough face. While Trish has a classically beautiful face, and she was a blonde, which Vince seems to like.
And Trish became one of the best in-ring competitors in the WWE, out-performing the men on some nights. While IMO, Lita was never more than an average worker who could do some high flying stuff.
So, no, even if facets of Lita's real life persona hadn't been turned into her wrestling character, she probably still wouldn't have gotten the push that Trish did, or the grand send-off.
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Post by Bedlam LadyD on Apr 13, 2009 5:27:09 GMT -5
My problem with Trish Stratus is that everyone hails her as a far above average performer. She wasn't. The woman could do a prmo, sure, but her best matces alwas came with people who were a thousand times better then her in-ring wise. She was far from the Goddess that was always consistently shoved down out throats. Her best matches were arguably against Molly Holly and Victoria. That's because those two could probably drag a decent match out of a soggy paper bag.
Her matches with Lita were always, -ALWAYS-, watched because of the major feud that was underlying between them. You had the perefect beauty angle with Stratus, and the unusual aternative girl in Lita. They meshed so well because they were complete opposites.
And Lita was not a complete botch machine, for godsakes. You're honestly going to tell me she worked in a worse manner then Candice Michelle, Maria, Michelle McCool, etc? That's complete BS.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 13, 2009 5:40:52 GMT -5
Shame that I re-started watching wrestling too late to see Lita in her prime, but I rather liked her. I could imagine her reaching to Trish Stratus-heights. I also think she deserved a better sendoff than Cryme Time selling her undies. She absolutely did deserve a better sendoff. As for her legacy, she closed Raw 2 times by winning the Women's Title. There are only 2 other women that I can think closed Raw in a 1 on 1 match. And those were Steph and Trish, Lita's opponents. Think about that, Lita was over enough to close Raw twice by winning the Women's Title. And not just close Raw twice, but having the show built around her match. It's going to be awhile before we get another Diva as over and move as much merchandise as Lita and Trish did.
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 13, 2009 6:11:06 GMT -5
From what I recall, Team Extreme at their prime were more over than Trish Stratus ever was, in any incarnation.
Lita was a very big part of that. She got far bigger cheers than any woman wrestler in the business today, and bigger cheers than any back in 1999/2000.
Was she revolutionary for womens' wrestling? I'm not an expert on Japanese or Mexican wrestling, so can't comment on that, but she's the first woman I saw do a moonsault, or fly over the tops ropes. Her work before injuries was as exciting as the Hardys at the time, and her popularity reflected that.
Granted, it was tarnished by the real life events that were turned into a storyline, and she has to accept that. Not saying it was all her fault, because I've little idea of the true chain of events, but she was certainly at fault.
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Post by nt86 on Apr 13, 2009 6:11:36 GMT -5
I really don't know when WWE will get another it girl. I thought Mickie James and Melina would be the ones to do so, but they're so confined to the women's division that it doesn't look possible.
I get the feeling Vince wants Kelly Kelly or Maryse to be his 'next' Trish. We'll see how well they can fill those shoes. I think Kelly would stand a better chance than Maryse. She's fairly popular already and better in the ring.
They deserve credit for making a star out of Beth Phoenix though. For a woman who doesn't possess the typical Diva look AND is primarily a heel, they've done well with her.
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Post by Fantozzi on Apr 13, 2009 6:25:55 GMT -5
Of course there wouldn't be "Litacanranas" without a chick named "Lita". What a daft twit she is. Also, Trish Stratus got her start at virtually the exact same time, so I fail to see why, even in kayfabe, Lita would try to act like she's some kind of WWE veteran above Trish. Also, Lita couldn't wrestle for crap, even by Diva standards. All she knew how to do was flop around like a fish out of water and hit a dead-weight floppy moonsault. that was a promo, lita was heel and trish had just retired 2 months before but also in keyfabe trish was barking at the same ring lita was wrestling men (the women division was only eye-candy at that point, trish included)
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Post by RBD on Apr 13, 2009 6:51:50 GMT -5
I don't see why that doesn't make sense. Lita worked the indys before coming into WWE, whereas I believe Trish had never wrestled a match before she got her start in the company. Also, even though they came in around the same time, Lita was always portrayed as a wrestler, whilst Trish didn't get serious about wrestling and become a full-time in-ring competitor until about late 2001, IIRC, so Lita had a couple of years on Trish even just within WWE. Trish was playing Vince's mistress when Lita was fighting men. (I see the poster above beat me to a similar comment. I do think Lita was revolutionary. She was more than just a moonsault and a rana. She was absolutely unique as far as Divas go. Never been one like her and hasn't been one since. She had a completely different look, style and energy that was groundbreaking and completely new at the time, and nobody has really taken the bar any higher than Lita has since. She came in and made people care about the women's division again, which led to the era of Trish and the solid women's division we got with her at the head of. She's the only Diva who headlined two episodes of Raw, built around her winning the title. I think she's by far the biggest female merch seller ever. As far as I'm aware, she's the only Diva who had her own section on WWE Shopzone. She definitely had way more merch than Trish did, who must be second place. She also had a home DVD and a book etc. it all mounts up. Her level of interaction with the guys was pretty groundbreaking for somebody that wasn't Chyna, a freak of nature/spectactle/special exception that was basically treated like a male competitor. And no, she didn't invent high flying top rope moves, nor was she the first woman to do them, but she was the first woman within North America that really brought them into the spotlight. The women in WWE are now allowed to do much more in the ring and I credit Lita for a lot of that change. However, her legacy from a WWE perspective was never going to be as big a Trish's. Simply because the office were way more behind Trish than they were ever behind Lita. No matter what, even with her being more over (some may dispute that, but I truly believe Lita was more over than Trish), Lita wasn't the golden girl, Trish was. So WWE were never going to push Lita as much as Trish with record-setting title reigns, and proclaiming her the greatest of all time. WWE's perception is that Trish is the greatest Diva they ever had and they pushed that perception on the audience, regardless of Lita. It's that simple. I knew she wasn't going to get the kind of exit Trish got, but they should've done a lot better by her. I'm glad she came back for the 15th Anniversary. It was a much better last hurrah for her than Cryme Tyme's ho sale was.
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Post by Snitsky on Apr 13, 2009 16:15:04 GMT -5
If Lita and Trish were still both with WWE- who would be more over
Mickie? Trish? Lita?
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Post by celticjobber on Apr 15, 2009 1:42:43 GMT -5
If they were still around I think it would be Trish, then Mickie, then Lita.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Apr 15, 2009 2:03:19 GMT -5
She would be working at Taco Bell with Melina and I.
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Post by default on Apr 15, 2009 2:22:05 GMT -5
I think Lita's neck injury pretty much ruined her career. She toned down her style, which didn't bother me, but it was almost as if she thought about it alot and thus more botches.
I'm also under the opinion that the Love Triangle actually rejuvinated her career.
And as for Trish/Lita comparisons... Trish is the Mario to Lita's Sonic.
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