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Post by George Harrison on Apr 21, 2009 23:21:24 GMT -5
In my opinion, Bischoff merely sailed on Vince Russo's sinking ship towards the end of WCW. What he had accomplished in the few years he was on top was very successful,
if I had to vote, I'd vote yes.
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Post by Man Hating Horace on Apr 22, 2009 0:18:16 GMT -5
Here's how I would see it going:
Bischoff comes out for his speech and is interrupted by Vince McMahon a minute-and-half in. Vince brings up how WCW tried and failed to destroy his family and company and then show a bunch of clips of Bischoff being humiliated during his WWE tenure. Then if Steve Austin happens to be there, he will come out and Stunner Bischoff.
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Post by The Charismatic Enabeler on Apr 22, 2009 0:20:11 GMT -5
I miss Bischoff being Raws g.m. If they can put out his book they can put him in the hall of fame.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Apr 22, 2009 0:23:11 GMT -5
Here's how I would see it going: Bischoff comes out for his speech and is interrupted by Vince McMahon a minute-and-half in. Vince brings up how WCW tried and failed to destroy his family and company and will reference the Bisch and his wifes gold club exploits and then show a bunch of clips of Bischoff being humiliated during his WWE tenure. Then if Steve Austin happens to be there, he will come out with Triple H and both will mention how Eric dropped the ball with them and only Vince's genius saved the WWE and Stunner Bischoff into the dog poop! The dog poop!. More realism.
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Post by rchi84 on Apr 22, 2009 0:29:07 GMT -5
WWE as we know it today, would not have existed if bischoff hadnt given vince jittery nights for 2 years. we would have missed out on the attitude era and still be living in the new generation era
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Apr 22, 2009 1:40:00 GMT -5
One word: Yes.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Apr 22, 2009 2:03:54 GMT -5
If Bill Watts can get in, so can Eric Bischoff.
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Post by ♥ Bunnyslinger ♥ on Apr 22, 2009 2:05:12 GMT -5
He should totally be in it, Although for some reason I think his induction would be awkward.
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Post by The Line on Apr 22, 2009 2:21:35 GMT -5
I'd like to see him in. While he's not a top-billing type of guy, I'd like to see him get in someday.
In a perfect world, him and Heyman would be inducted in the same class.
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 22, 2009 2:26:39 GMT -5
I'd like to see him in. While he's not a top-billing type of guy, I'd like to see him get in someday. In a perfect world, him and Heyman would be inducted in the same class. Yep....both changed wrestling in their time, and both are, in my opinion, sorely missing in today's product.
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Post by salz4life on Apr 22, 2009 7:52:15 GMT -5
Hell yeah he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Like him or not, he truely did revolutionize the business of sports entertainment. Agree with this!
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Post by h on Apr 22, 2009 8:15:17 GMT -5
Did something that had already been done. Didn't come up with a second idea, so he ran the first into the ground. People stopped caring, so the company died. Borrowing a one-trick pony doesn't seem Hall of Fame worthy to me. I honestly don't see what's wrong about "stealing" or "borrowing" a successful idea from another wrestling company, especially from a foreign wrestling company that 99% of the audience is oblivious to. The whole idea is to have a successful company. What promoter hasn't reused ideas that have worked in the past or for other organizations? There isn't one. I am not a Bischoff fan, but he deserves credit for realizing that an invasion-like storyline could be very successful for WCW. I didn't say anything's wrong with it. I do, however, believe that borrowing his only real "idea" doesn't qualify him for the Hall of Fame. Does he deserve credit for realizing it would work in the US? Sure, but probably not much more than a handshake. Definitely not an induction into a Hall of Fame, though.
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Post by thesam07 on Apr 22, 2009 8:28:03 GMT -5
Yes.
As for "stealing" ideas. Every idea in wrestling has been done before.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Apr 22, 2009 9:06:15 GMT -5
If they can let Bret Hart in, they should let Bischoff in. Bret Hart means so much more to the WWF/E than Bischoff. This is a redundant comparison. youre right its a ridiculous comparison, bret hart was one of the people sailing the ship while wwf was almost going out of business thanks to his poor drawing power, bischoff was the one responsible for lighting the fire under vinces ass that ignited a boom period and is the reason wwe exists today, bisch is far more deserving to be in and im glad nobody came in with the usual smarky jackass 'but all he did was steal from ecw' remark after that theory has had so many factual holes shot through it already, i guess the 'stealing from japan' remarks are unavoidable though, but i really dont remember anybody in japan deciding to turn the biggest babyface ever in the history of wrestling into a heel, and as someone who was actually watching at the time, the whole 'omg its wwf guys taking over' thing got peoples attention but that smoke cleared awfully quick and what kept people interested beyond that couple of months was the amazing booking of the angle
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Apr 22, 2009 9:28:17 GMT -5
Yeah Bisch could and should go in. Here's my two cents:
1 Cent: He stole an idea. But god lord, who hasn't? Theft of the idea aside, it was still, FOR A WHILE, good booking. Yes it was ran into the ground and broken off, but so was the Austin McMahon saga.
2 Cent: When he was executive producer, he pulled WCW from the state it had been in for years and made it a credible threat to the WWF. He put his show ahead in the ratings and stayed that way for a very long time.
Is it a weird suggestion for the HOF? Sure. But so was Verne Gagne.
I think in comparison to some other candidates he definitely has the qualifications, but would Vince allow it? This is a guy that thrived on beating Vince week after week. It was good for television to bring him into WWE, but would Vince be concerned enough about Hall Of Fame ratings to do it? Plus would Vinny Mac want to get his old rival such praise and spotlight?
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Apr 22, 2009 10:03:21 GMT -5
PS for everyone claiming he stole the nWo idea... how much about the angle he stole the idea from do you know? The idea of an invasion wasn't exactly brand new in wrestling and an original idea thought of by NJPW. Randy Savage invaded Memphis if I recall...
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Post by macdaddysquid on Apr 22, 2009 10:06:32 GMT -5
Good Linda is a bitch. She didn't do a damn thing for the Hogan name in wrestling... Eric in Hall of Fame is necessary as is PaulE
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Post by KimberlyPagesBoyToy on Apr 22, 2009 10:50:08 GMT -5
If Koko and Nikolai can get in than Easy-E certainly can. Not to mention guys like Mr Hughes and Waylon Mercy. Actually Mercy getting in would be pretty cool though!
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Apr 22, 2009 11:23:18 GMT -5
in my opinion, no, because he's added nothing at all to the wrestling business.
his main claim to fame was the nWo angle, and i'll admit that had that angle not been run, the wrestling world, both then and today would look very different, but that isn't a credit to eric bischoff. the exact same concept was done only years earlier in japan most ntoably ,but time and again in wrestling overall, just never in the mainstream arena that bischoff presented it in. there's nothing wrong with using second hand ideas in wrestling, but to claim that you're a "genius" for inventing that idea, as bischoff has in the past, is out of order, and shouldn't be used as proof of you deserving a place in the hall of fame.
although now that i'm on a rant, i've changed my mind, eric bischoff did add to the wrestling business. had he not fired steve austin, he would've done nothing at all with him, and the wrestling boom of the 90s probably wouldn't have happened. had he not let mick foley go, one of the most memorable characters in wrestling would've got minimal chances and attention, and we'd have had no "cane dewey", no undertaker hell in a cell moment, no WWF title win. had he cared about the fact that two potential main eventers were walking away, then we would've never seen chris jericho and eddie guerrero thrive in the WWF/E, as they would've carried on being midcard goldberg fodder, before being jobbed out in the inVasion.
in my opinion, eric bischoff is not a good wrestling booker. he created very few stars, he fired people who went on to have monumental success while he hung on to the same old faces simply for name value. the only memorable angle he was behind was a stolen idea. he's failed time and time again. he tried to be gorilla monsoon, and failed. he tried to be vince mcmahon, and failed. now he's trying to be simon cowell, and he's failing at that as well. the fact that he used "midcarder" as an insult in a recent online argument with matt hardy (which both were being petty about IMO) displays eric bischoff's ideas on how to make a wrestling show perfectly. if you aren't over now, you never will be, now do as you're told and job to the world champion.
i wouldn't have a personal problem with him going in the hall of fame, WWE can put whoever they want in, and i've got nothing against eric bischoff the person having his moment in the sun, but if it was up to me, the man's done nothing to positively effect the wrestling industry the way he wanted it to.
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Post by biff on Apr 22, 2009 12:31:43 GMT -5
PS for everyone claiming he stole the nWo idea... how much about the angle he stole the idea from do you know? The idea of an invasion wasn't exactly brand new in wrestling and an original idea thought of by NJPW. Randy Savage invaded Memphis if I recall... This. I'm sorry but for everyone claiming Bischoff "stole" the nWo angle from Japan, please learn your history and facts or start posting some proof of this magic pre-WCW nWo take over angle from NJPW that we hear so much about, yet there is no record, footage, or coverage on any of it. The IDEA for the nWo angle came from watching the NJPW invasion angle (and thats all it was, an INVASION angle). The only similarity was the invasion concept (which had been done by just about every wrestling company in history) and that only lasted for about 1 week in WCW until Bischoff asked Hall if he worked for the WWF, to which Hall said "no". So that ladies and gentlemen is where the similarity to the so called "stolen angle" ends. It is now not about one company invading the other, but a bunch of outlaw wrestlers who are trying to take over a company. I dare someone to try to connect the build up to Bash At The Beach 1996-end of the nWo to anything New Japan had done. NJPW wasn't doing anything even remotely close to how the nWo angle was executed, but I guess the idea to turn Sting into the Crow character, spray painting people, gang style beat downs, turning the biggest babyface ever into a heel, catch phrases, beating up the owner of the company, the cool heel promos, black and white effects, the old school vs new school feud with the Horsemen, music, Wolfpac vs Hollywood, and all of that came from Japan too. Saying Bischoff stole the nWo angle from New Japan is like saying Paul Heyman didn't come up with any of his own idea's either and everything he did was a knock off because Jerry Lawler and Honky Tonk Man had a hardcore match in Memphis during the 70s.
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