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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Apr 19, 2009 11:03:05 GMT -5
It makes sense to me. I mean what other way is there to prove that you don't like the current product by not watching it?
Usually after an incredibly awful Raw I'll not watch for about a week or two (examples being Cena bj-ing the audience for thirty minutes straight then destroying Jericho, Shane McMahon going Terminator on legacy, and Triple H fighting in Orton's house). By the time I start watching Raw again the show is usually better and the 'bad show stank' is pretty much gone.
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Post by Joekishi on Apr 19, 2009 13:00:43 GMT -5
If people don't like it, like, the problem with people saying turn it off if you don't like it is, they will. The fact is, people have been turning off. WWE is having the lowest ratings they've ever had since 1997. Again the ratings don't matter as much as they used to. WWE has an on demand service, and shows like Heroes, the Office, ugly betty, Grey's Anatomy and even ER don't pull the same ratings as Friends, Home Improvement, or ER did. I'd attribute it to services like Tivo, On Demand TV, DVR, and online services like youtube. If we'd had that technology 10 years ago, you'd be sure to know that ratings back then wouldn't have been as huge. Reallity shows like America's got talent, American Idol, and Dancing with the stars pull in the big ratings because we are supposed to watch it live and vote. Shows like Bones, House, or CSI we can watch on hulu or watch it when we record it and fast foward through comercials. That's how television works nowadays. Most everybody has that "I'll watch it later" attitude
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Post by Cap'n Crud on Apr 19, 2009 13:11:10 GMT -5
I try to give the show a chance but if it's getting too stupid or has been for too long I am not afraid to change the channel. We wrestling fans need to quit being enablers. I look at wrestling the same as any other product I use. If it doesn't work or do what I like then I go elsewheres.
I view my relationship with wrestling promotions as strictly quid pro quo. I watch, they entertain me. If their end of the bargain isn't being held up I go elsewhere for my entertainment. I do not believe in blind loyalty to a promotion. In the end While Vince McMahon, Jeff Jarret, and Cary Silken want your money they really have no feelings for you personally to them you are merely a customer. Nothing personal, just business.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Apr 19, 2009 13:15:55 GMT -5
I didn't enjoy TNA, I stopped watching.
Guess what? I've never been happier.
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Post by G2 on Apr 19, 2009 13:26:46 GMT -5
I didn't enjoy TNA, I stopped watching. Guess what? I've never been happier. Reminds me of a Denis Leary joke: "Did you ever notice they never take any fat hostages? You never see a guy coming out of Lebanon going: I was held hostage for seven months and I lost 175 pounds, I feel good and I look good and I learned self-discipline" I have no idea why that remined me of that, but it did.
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Post by Eli on Apr 19, 2009 14:12:08 GMT -5
I love all things WWE, but I still can't bring myself to like Christian, and I'm not sure why. It could be the fact that the mental image that comes with Christian is the picture with his thumb in his belly button.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 19, 2009 16:17:27 GMT -5
i do agree with the OP, my slight rebuttle is that with wrestling alot of the people on here at least) grew up with or experienced the height of wrestling in the 90's and as such have high expectations. ..."height" meaning what? Public acceptance, or hardcore fans being satisfied? If it's the former, then the height of wrestling is the 80's.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Apr 19, 2009 17:47:12 GMT -5
i do agree with the OP, my slight rebuttle is that with wrestling alot of the people on here at least) grew up with or experienced the height of wrestling in the 90's and as such have high expectations. ..."height" meaning what? Public acceptance, or hardcore fans being satisfied? If it's the former, then the height of wrestling is the 80's. Wrestling in the 80's. It was great. As innovative as the 90's were to wrestling, the 80's were just amazing.
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Post by corndog on Apr 20, 2009 0:17:47 GMT -5
I have had points in my life where I stopped watching either because they did something that pissed me off, like HHH going over my favorite main event wrestler part 5, or just because I have other things going on in my life. Also if there is a match I don't care about or a bad segment on I will change the channel. Heck MLB just started, the NHL and NBA playoffs are going on, plus there are other good shows on like Two and a Half Men. There is plenty of other programs on that I can watch.
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Post by r. on Apr 20, 2009 11:03:20 GMT -5
i do agree with the OP, my slight rebuttle is that with wrestling alot of the people on here at least) grew up with or experienced the height of wrestling in the 90's and as such have high expectations. ..."height" meaning what? Public acceptance, or hardcore fans being satisfied? If it's the former, then the height of wrestling is the 80's. specificly it was when it was not only when it was most excepted, but also the catalyst for bringing the luchadore and high flying styling of wrestling to the forefront, don't get me wrong the 80's where fanstastic, but i can't remember another time when practicly everyone was a wrestling fans save the 90's durring the monday night wars.
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Post by angryfan on Apr 20, 2009 12:10:32 GMT -5
I don't think the "If you don't like it, don't watch it." argument is directed at everyone who airs a couple of minor complaints every week, It's directed at the people who do absolutely NOTHING but complain about every aspect of the shows every week. My issue, Bob, is when I see people saying "I liked X, but hated the main event" or "why can't this guy be pushed" and get the "if you don'tlike it don't watch" argument. Let's say I'm a die-hard Lions fan, love them and want to see them win. Additioanlly, I want the games aired on TV so I can watch, but instead I get Giants games every damn week. I love football, so odds are I'll wath because it's football, but if I say "damn it, can I get a freakin Lions game please?" I wouldn't get hit with "if you don't like it, too bad, it sells and you should like it". Really, that's my only issue with "don't like it, don't watch it". If somebody likes a certain character or somethign that gets little airtime, but that provides entertainment for that person, it's natural that they'll want to see it more, ya know?
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Apr 20, 2009 12:16:50 GMT -5
I haven't been watching a long time. The last time I watched a Raw was when Trish stratus made her return which also had that awesome CM Punk/Jericho match. However, the show as a whole was boring to me. It just seems that I can't get into it. When I want to watch a specific segment, I'll watch it online. However, I will watch some events on livefeds since it's fun to discuss with people on the net.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 20, 2009 12:24:22 GMT -5
I don't think the "If you don't like it, don't watch it." argument is directed at everyone who airs a couple of minor complaints every week, It's directed at the people who do absolutely NOTHING but complain about every aspect of the shows every week. My issue, Bob, is when I see people saying "I liked X, but hated the main event" or "why can't this guy be pushed" and get the "if you don'tlike it don't watch" argument. Let's say I'm a die-hard Lions fan, love them and want to see them win. Additioanlly, I want the games aired on TV so I can watch, but instead I get Giants games every damn week. I love football, so odds are I'll wath because it's football, but if I say "damn it, can I get a freakin Lions game please?" I wouldn't get hit with "if you don't like it, too bad, it sells and you should like it". Really, that's my only issue with "don't like it, don't watch it". If somebody likes a certain character or somethign that gets little airtime, but that provides entertainment for that person, it's natural that they'll want to see it more, ya know? To be fair, I do have the "stick through the bad times" attitude with some of the sports teams I like. I don't consider it hypocritical, though, since baseball and football teams are actively competing amongst themselves, and are in the business of winning and losing- thus I have an easier time following them when they're not in contention (or struggling to be in contention). WWE and other feds are show business. Granted, it's a very painful and demaning form of show business, but it is what it is. Shelton Benjamin is a fantastic athlete, but he's more artist than sportsman- and I hold the aforementioned "quid pro quo" relationship with artists when it comes to what they do.
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Post by taylorandborland on Apr 20, 2009 12:35:10 GMT -5
I can't stand constant whiners, but at the same time some folks use the "don't watch it" mantra so much it gets to be a "no, go away, leave my fed alone" statement.
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Post by angryfan on Apr 20, 2009 12:52:58 GMT -5
My issue, Bob, is when I see people saying "I liked X, but hated the main event" or "why can't this guy be pushed" and get the "if you don'tlike it don't watch" argument. Let's say I'm a die-hard Lions fan, love them and want to see them win. Additioanlly, I want the games aired on TV so I can watch, but instead I get Giants games every damn week. I love football, so odds are I'll wath because it's football, but if I say "damn it, can I get a freakin Lions game please?" I wouldn't get hit with "if you don't like it, too bad, it sells and you should like it". Really, that's my only issue with "don't like it, don't watch it". If somebody likes a certain character or somethign that gets little airtime, but that provides entertainment for that person, it's natural that they'll want to see it more, ya know? To be fair, I do have the "stick through the bad times" attitude with some of the sports teams I like. I don't consider it hypocritical, though, since baseball and football teams are actively competing amongst themselves, and are in the business of winning and losing- thus I have an easier time following them when they're not in contention (or struggling to be in contention). WWE and other feds are show business. Granted, it's a very painful and demaning form of show business, but it is what it is. Shelton Benjamin is a fantastic athlete, but he's more artist than sportsman- and I hold the aforementioned "quid pro quo" relationship with artists when it comes to what they do. That's what I was gong for though, the "stick through the hard times" idea. Look, I'm a die-hard, through and through, Indians fan, and, by and large, theyv'e sucked my entire life. Yet, I love them, always will. Yet, when I turn on the TV, I'd love to see ESPN carry a game, but instead I get Red Sox or Yankees games, and, while I love baseball overall and will watch regardless, I do find myself grumbling because, damn it, I want a Tribe game now and then.
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Post by neilfrazier on Apr 20, 2009 13:20:33 GMT -5
I've been a fan since Survivor Series 1991 when I was 9 years old. I've seen alot of the wrestling industry for better or for worse, Most of the time when something crappy happens, I can find humor in it since I tend to watch wrestling with fine herb.
What I don't like is the under developed mid-card and about a thrid of the wrestlers I end up changing the channel or making food/smoke runs. Doesn't mean I whine about it, but it amazes me how the current brand drops the ball on every opportunity presented to them.
It really suprises me that Orton didn't get the title, especially when he is clearly the future. The current feud should be HHH trying to win back his title by pinning any of the 3 Legacy members, and then having Shane betray him at Backlash to become Legacy's mouthpiece.
Then you have a character like Cena being booed by crowds, and then the WWE wonders why 12 Rounds is tanking. People don't want to see Cena beat people up, they want to see him get smacked around.
When the WWE drops the ball like this, it makes me think it's only a matter of time before their rivals close in and we start seeing WWE try again. I'll always watch because I grew up with it, but it makes me wonder how long they'l be around if they want to be an entertainment company, yet can't fully tell a story.
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