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Post by Beans on Apr 16, 2009 20:01:37 GMT -5
I really don't see how this can be classified as a tragedy. Call me cold-hearted all you want to, but I don't see you crying over the other 150,000 people that die every day and calling all of those deaths tragedies. So sympathy cannot exist unless universial and on mass and expressed 150,000 times a day? When a little boy dies it IS a tragedy, regardless of circumstance
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Post by Eli on Apr 16, 2009 20:07:26 GMT -5
I really don't see how this can be classified as a tragedy. Call me cold-hearted all you want to, but I don't see you crying over the other 150,000 people that die every day and calling all of those deaths tragedies. Like it or not, this was a foolish kid that made a foolish mistake, and it unfortunately cost him his life. Is there really any excuse that a 9 year old thought he could use a grocery bag for a parachute? I don't think we lost an Einstein here. Sorry if this leads to the thread getting locked. If the kid was this impressionable, then his parents should have been keeping eyes on him 24/7and certainly shouldn't have lost sight of him long enough to climb on the freakin' roof. You have a point there, if the kid attempted this kind of thing, and was special education, why would the parents leave him alone? I mean, he probably wanted to make a nice parachute, and getting to the top floor and getting over nerves- that had to take a half an hour at the least. Even if you had a full sized parachute, at that age, you'd hesitate. I'm not saying his parents were bad people, I'm saying they were careless in watching a young, very creative special education child, and even if they had left him alone, they should have done it with a good alarm system. Could the parents really not get a sitter?
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Post by Beans on Apr 16, 2009 20:12:10 GMT -5
Should the parents have been paying attention? Yes. But that doesn't negate how snorking tragic and awful this event is.
To be honest the lack of sympathy by some I find quite surprising given that 99% of the 'mourning' for dead wrestlers are usually sorry to say druggies who should have grown up before they got to their final year in their 40s. Yet one dies after another and it's treated like a tragedy, not to mention throwing in the bit about everyone else being to blame but the wrestler themselves...
Now I accept that IS a harsh thing to say but if that level or empathy had been given and expressed towards a poster who said that in relation to the death of ....well...take your pick really...can you imagine the reaction to it?
Maybe it's just me who's not getting it. I'm staying out of this from now on.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Apr 16, 2009 20:45:33 GMT -5
This happens every year with the WWE in some way. Eventually society will start blaming parents for not monitoring the content their kids watch and interact with... and not the content itself. There are those of us who have no problem knowing that when we play Grand Theft Auto 3... it's not real life. However, there are young enough and impressionable enough minds out there that do not.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Apr 16, 2009 21:24:44 GMT -5
The responsibility rests with the parents and no one else. It was their sorry show that resulted in the death of this kid. It's just a shame parents can't take responsibility anymore.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 16, 2009 21:28:06 GMT -5
The responsibility rests with the parents and no one else. It was their sorry show that resulted in the death of this kid. It's just a shame parents can't take responsibility anymore. She sort of did in the story, if you actually read it. Damori's mother told detectives she went to the store and returned to find her son on the ground, police sources said. The tragedy prompted Murrel to rethink whether her kids can play the wrestling games. "I need to keep a better eye on what they are playing or watching. Kids are so impressionable," she said.
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Post by vacillatingfan on Apr 16, 2009 21:36:06 GMT -5
The responsibility rests with the parents and no one else. It was their sorry show that resulted in the death of this kid. It's just a shame parents can't take responsibility anymore. She sort of did in the story, if you actually read it. Damori's mother told detectives she went to the store and returned to find her son on the ground, police sources said. The tragedy prompted Murrel to rethink whether her kids can play the wrestling games. "I need to keep a better eye on what they are playing or watching. Kids are so impressionable," she said. That quote is from the friend's mom, I believe. And it's still a roundabout way of saying it was the game's influence that's to blame. And no one even knows for sure if that's what prompted him to jump. *The article refers to Murrel as a "family friend."
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Apr 16, 2009 21:38:52 GMT -5
"Robert Zimmerman, a spokesman for World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE), said the video was designed for ages 13 and up and none of the characters use parachutes or jump off buildings. " This "the boy, who received special education instruction" and this The thread should have ended here, there's nothing else to say
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Post by salTy on Apr 16, 2009 21:40:00 GMT -5
I really don't see how this can be classified as a tragedy. Call me cold-hearted all you want to, but I don't see you crying over the other 150,000 people that die every day and calling all of those deaths tragedies. So sympathy cannot exist unless universial and on mass and expressed 150,000 times a day? When a little boy dies it IS a tragedy, regardless of circumstance No, what I'm saying is that not every death is a tragedy. Certain deaths are under tragic circumstances, but not all. I think the word tragedy is used far too liberally in our society. My point with the 150,000 number is that everyone picks and chooses what they're sympathetic about. Obviously we can't be sympathetic about every death on Earth. It's unfair to call me unsympathetic when you're probably not sympathetic to the 91 year-old man that dies alone in a nursing home. I personally find that more tragic than a death of foolish circumstances--maybe it's because I don't place all children on some pedestal above the rest of society. But, is this even a discussion about wrestling anymore? It's obvious the media outlet is using the wrestling imagery to grab attention--it's an easy scapegoat that's been used many times over and will most likely continue to be used. Most people probably don't even read the article-- they just look at the headline and picture and shake their head at wrestling and video games.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Apr 16, 2009 21:44:39 GMT -5
Let me start off by saying this event is a tragedy that shouldn't be taken lightly. With that said, this is a WWE board, and a WWE video game is being attributed to the child's by principles of the story, so I think that element is worth exploring. Other than the parachute, the first thing that caught my attention was that no one actually saw the boy jump. So when his friend says he was imitating Hardy, he's purely speculating on some tenuous relationship between a video game move the deceased liked and his fatal leap. While that's a bit bothersome, it isn't a big deal since it's natural to seek out answers after such a tragic event takes place. What truly annoys me about this article, however, is how the WWE is asked to defend itself by issuing a statement regarding the use of one of its games, yet there's nothing from the owners of the apartment about its broken alarm, nor anything from whomever was supposed to be supervising the child about his or her whereabouts while the child was preparing for his fall. Although I'm sure punishment will come for the latter participants, it's really unjust for the WWE to be seen as the first suspect in this case. I think what it amounts to is that childcare in general is just such a complex issue that, instead of confronting intricacies and working hard at trying to manage the problems that arise, people find it easier to label some party with indirect influence as the culprit. Video games, film and music have become the popular targets because, in young people, they are ever-present, and their content is often flagrantly violent or harsh. It takes less effort to convince someone that the reason a child decides to shoot another is because of a video game that involves shooting another person, rather than arguing that the child committed the crime because he or she was being bullied by his or her peers and was not taught the means necessary to confront and fix the problem by their overseers. In the end, I don't think WWE will really be blamed for this, and I think criminal charges will and should be coming from those who are actually responsible. But to me, this article still shows that the knee-jerk reactions against the influence of pop culture remain in full effect, while the responsibility of those in actual authority still go largely ignored. O... Nevermind, I found the [/thread] later on
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 16, 2009 21:52:35 GMT -5
She sort of did in the story, if you actually read it. Damori's mother told detectives she went to the store and returned to find her son on the ground, police sources said. The tragedy prompted Murrel to rethink whether her kids can play the wrestling games. "I need to keep a better eye on what they are playing or watching. Kids are so impressionable," she said. That quote is from the friend's mom, I believe. And it's still a roundabout way of saying it was the game's influence that's to blame. And no one even knows for sure if that's what prompted him to jump. *The article refers to Murrel as a "family friend." huh, well, don't I feel stupid then. I thought the quote seemed a bit casual. Still, there's not really any way to know if the parent is blaming anything. The story doesn't provide her voice (probably couldn't get it, as it tends to be the case pretty often).
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Post by vacillatingfan on Apr 16, 2009 22:07:17 GMT -5
That quote is from the friend's mom, I believe. And it's still a roundabout way of saying it was the game's influence that's to blame. And no one even knows for sure if that's what prompted him to jump. *The article refers to Murrel as a "family friend." huh, well, don't I feel stupid then. I thought the quote seemed a bit casual. Still, there's not really any way to know if the parent is blaming anything. The story doesn't provide her voice (probably couldn't get it, as it tends to be the case pretty often). I actually agree, but the problem is they took a young kid's complete speculation and turned it into the crux of the article. They could have still had the quote without making it the centerpiece, but instead they went with the sensationalistic approach. Honestly I'm not surprised by that, but it is disappointing.
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Post by B.A. on Apr 16, 2009 22:26:29 GMT -5
To be honest the lack of sympathy by some I find quite surprising given that 99% of the 'mourning' for dead wrestlers are usually sorry to say druggies who should have grown up before they got to their final year in their 40s. Yet one dies after another and it's treated like a tragedy, not to mention throwing in the bit about everyone else being to blame but the wrestler themselves.. this board is full of people who are one sided and don't want anyone to take away what they love to watch. makes me ill sometimes.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Apr 16, 2009 22:27:39 GMT -5
I really don't see how this can be classified as a tragedy. Call me cold-hearted all you want to, but I don't see you crying over the other 150,000 people that die every day and calling all of those deaths tragedies. Like it or not, this was a foolish kid that made a foolish mistake, and it unfortunately cost him his life. Is there really any excuse that a 9 year old thought he could use a grocery bag for a parachute? I don't think we lost an Einstein here. Sorry if this leads to the thread getting locked. If the kid was this impressionable, then his parents should have been keeping eyes on him 24/7and certainly shouldn't have lost sight of him long enough to climb on the freakin' roof. While I agree about the parents part, any time someone dies young it's a tragedy, and if I hear about it I call it that
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Apr 16, 2009 22:32:16 GMT -5
So sympathy cannot exist unless universial and on mass and expressed 150,000 times a day? When a little boy dies it IS a tragedy, regardless of circumstance No, what I'm saying is that not every death is a tragedy. Certain deaths are under tragic circumstances, but not all. I think the word tragedy is used far too liberally in our society. My point with the 150,000 number is that everyone picks and chooses what they're sympathetic about. Obviously we can't be sympathetic about every death on Earth. It's unfair to call me unsympathetic when you're probably not sympathetic to the 91 year-old man that dies alone in a nursing home. I personally find that more tragic than a death of foolish circumstances--maybe it's because I don't place all children on some pedestal above the rest of society. But, is this even a discussion about wrestling anymore? It's obvious the media outlet is using the wrestling imagery to grab attention--it's an easy scapegoat that's been used many times over and will most likely continue to be used. Most people probably don't even read the article-- they just look at the headline and picture and shake their head at wrestling and video games. This guy has some good points. I especially like his last paragraph here, and sadly think that this is what's going on. You know somebody randomly came across this article and came up with the wrong impression, it happens all the time. Media sources need to be much more careful with their headlines. But I don't like what he says about children and pedestals. The reason a 9 year old death is more tragic than a 91 year old death is implicit, and doesn't need to be explained.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2009 23:17:31 GMT -5
So sympathy cannot exist unless universial and on mass and expressed 150,000 times a day? When a little boy dies it IS a tragedy, regardless of circumstance No, what I'm saying is that not every death is a tragedy. Certain deaths are under tragic circumstances, but not all. I think the word tragedy is used far too liberally in our society. My point with the 150,000 number is that everyone picks and chooses what they're sympathetic about. Obviously we can't be sympathetic about every death on Earth. It's unfair to call me unsympathetic when you're probably not sympathetic to the 91 year-old man that dies alone in a nursing home. I personally find that more tragic than a death of foolish circumstances--maybe it's because I don't place all children on some pedestal above the rest of society. But, is this even a discussion about wrestling anymore? It's obvious the media outlet is using the wrestling imagery to grab attention--it's an easy scapegoat that's been used many times over and will most likely continue to be used. Most people probably don't even read the article-- they just look at the headline and picture and shake their head at wrestling and video games. i'd say any death is a tragedy barring a select few. if there had been a thread on an old man dying alone in the nursing home i would have read the whole story, probably cried because something like that would've really hit me hard, and said it was a tragedy because thats what i believe it is.
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Post by destrucity on Apr 16, 2009 23:35:56 GMT -5
"It's unfair to call me unsympathetic when you're probably not sympathetic to the 91 year-old man that dies alone in a nursing home. I personally find that more tragic than a death of foolish circumstances--maybe it's because I don't place all children on some pedestal above the rest of society."
I'm pretty sure that everyone on this board expressed their sympathy when Gagne killed that guy in the nursing home a few months ago, so I don't understand your point.
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Post by Nekron has risen aka Gamera... on Apr 17, 2009 0:07:35 GMT -5
I play my wwe games all the time and have to get on my 6 yr old twin boys to not act out what they see me play onscreen, They do know that a video game isn't real, but I still gotta make sure they know this..... I think whatever happens we should mourn the the loss of a young life and make sure we learn the message and make sure that our own children are not making the same mistake...
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Post by mmmmmgood on Apr 17, 2009 4:14:15 GMT -5
well, let me be the jerk in this thread,then:
where the HELL wa sthe mother?
Uhhh- JUmping OFF A DAMN THIRTEEN STORY BUILDING? Retarded or not, sorry,THATS GONNA KILL YOU. My cousin is seriously mentally disabled, and at 11 years old , HE'D know better than that.
He had a Plastice bag as a Parachute? WHAT CHARACTER ON SVR HAS THIS?
Imitating Jeff Harding?(sic) How? In what way?
Blaming the Building super for Not having had the door locked?
UH,MOM, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE KID- Not been out shopping, LEAVING HIM UN SUPERVISED.
Sorry, But I am sick and G++++++N tired of this tripe- PARENTS NEED TO BE DAMN RESPONSIBLE- And as the kids friend blames SVR2009 for the kids 13, yes, THIRTEEN story concrete swan dive?
I say BULLSH**- with a capital B. Blame the MOTHER- and LEAVE THE 'E out of it.
flame me if ya want, but I have had enough of stupid irresponsible parents blaming wrestling for THEIR kids issues. (Nathaniel Tate.)
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Apr 17, 2009 4:32:13 GMT -5
^^ I agree with that guy, only I'm less angry
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