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Post by George Harrison on Apr 17, 2009 5:42:51 GMT -5
Ahh it's just sad...
The bottom line is that it IS a tragedy no matter what people say, 99% of deaths are accident or nature, and they are tragedy. This is of the highest order as it is a child who lost his life.
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Post by B.B.M on Apr 17, 2009 5:49:54 GMT -5
Well, I'll just post this picture again
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Post by Snitsky on Apr 17, 2009 9:40:21 GMT -5
To be honest the lack of sympathy by some I find quite surprising given that 99% of the 'mourning' for dead wrestlers are usually sorry to say druggies who should have grown up before they got to their final year in their 40s. Yet one dies after another and it's treated like a tragedy, not to mention throwing in the bit about everyone else being to blame but the wrestler themselves.. this board is full of people who are one sided and don't want anyone to take away what/WHO they love to watch. makes me ill sometimes. fixed but this to the 10000th power IMO special needs or not the boy was copying what he saw on the video game, many kids do things like this- remember the youtube clips of the little boy doing all the superstars finishers? if he had broken his neck would take the blame? -parents need to more aware of what their kids play and get over the concept that wrestling is fake and can do no harm
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Post by angryfan on Apr 17, 2009 10:11:42 GMT -5
The kid's death is an absolute tragedy, as it should not have happened. However, the "it was the video game, he just wanted to immitate it" thought pisses me off since it completely misses th entire point.
Did the kid buy the game himself, or was it bought for him? Given the age, I'm gonna say someone had to purchase it for him, which means they probably saw the T rating which means he's too young for it. But, of course, that's not the point, is it?
No, the point is, as I see it, something exists which, if immitated, can be dangerous or fatal, so therefore, it is somehow at fault for existing and being available (never mind how it became available) to the kid in the first place.
Say the kid, who was obviously not being supervised, happened to be flipping channels and found Jackass on TV, then went and immitated the dumbass stunts they do, causing his death. Would people be up in arms that the show "caused" it, or would they say "this is a tragic accident" and ponder both why he was watching the show and why no one was there to, I don't know, STOP him?
How many "Don't Try This At Home" videos have we seen over the years? How many times has it been stated in commentary? Look, if my niece is in the kitchen and I say "Don't touch the stove, it's hot" a dozen times, then she does it anyway, should stoves be banned from use for being dangerous?
Difficult as it may be, set aside the result (death) from the act (immitation) and ask yourself this. Any time a child immitates an act from a media source (movie, music, wrestling, books, any of them) why is the inanimate object to blame for "putting the idea in their head" and anyone who says "why the hell didn't the parents, you know, pay f***ing attention and counter the influence and teach life lessons" somehow insensitive?
Mark my words, the parents, grieving though they are, will still have the presence of mind to file a lawsuit, when, in my mind, they should be charged as accessories because they neglected to monitor his safety.
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Post by Jobes on Apr 17, 2009 10:25:59 GMT -5
It's very sad that this happened, but it's also very sad that pro-wrestling is getting the blame. You never saw kids in the 40s-50s shooting each other because they thought that their face would be covered in soot, and their nose would spin around on their head.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Apr 17, 2009 10:26:48 GMT -5
Well, I'll just post this picture again sadly that means jack excretory matter to most parents. i was at microplay a few weeks ago, and some mother was renting Scarface for her son who coulden't be less than 11.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Apr 17, 2009 10:27:09 GMT -5
Blame the game. Don't blame the parents that allow the children to play them. Gotta love this world, hunh?
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Post by angryfan on Apr 17, 2009 10:29:12 GMT -5
Well, I'll just post this picture again sadly that means jack excretory matter to most parents. i was at microplay a few weeks ago, and some mother was renting Scarface for her son who coulden't be less than 11. Sad isn't it? The labels are there precisely because parents groups sued and demanded that they be placed to tell which games were "age-appropriate" for their kids. Yet, once the labels are tehre, they get ignored so that the "responsibility" buck can get passed along again.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Apr 17, 2009 12:20:00 GMT -5
Is it sad a kid is dead? Sure.
Is wrestling/video games/movies to blame? Absolutely not.
This kid needed to be supervised, and the parents failed to do that. They are responsible, bottom line. How many of us would be quick to point fingers at the WWE or whoever if this had happened to one of our kids or somebody we know? I sure as hell wouldn't. To blame WWE is the easy way out and as already mentioned on here, it can sound cold-hearted, but somebody had to have gotten the game for him, none of what he did happened in the game, and the parents weren't there to watch him. Vince has nothing to worry about here.
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Post by Miss RKO on Apr 17, 2009 12:58:51 GMT -5
Is it sad a kid is dead? Sure. Is wrestling/video games/movies to blame? Absolutely not. This kid needed to be supervised, and the parents failed to do that. They are responsible, bottom line. How many of us would be quick to point fingers at the WWE or whoever if this had happened to one of our kids or somebody we know? I sure as hell wouldn't. To blame WWE is the easy way out and as already mentioned on here, it can sound cold-hearted, but somebody had to have gotten the game for him, none of what he did happened in the game, and the parents weren't there to watch him. Vince has nothing to worry about here. The article doesnt say if he had anyone around to supervise him though so he could very well have had a babysitter or something, and if so they've failed to take care of the child. Arguing over whether WWE is to blame is a moot point since kids these days could probably watch something as harmless as Dora the explorer and do something they think is safe. Should kids be banned from watching ANYTHING on tv in case they get the idea to copy? No, but parents also need to be more alert to what their kids are doing and buying video games for a child when it isn't the age for it is something that needs to be monitored as well, i mean its easy for a parent to buy it thinking its harmless but as the parent you need to check to make sure the child fully grasps the idea that whatever they see isnt real and not to be copied. Blaming the parents and WWE and whatever isn't going to solve the problem nor bring the child back. The kid having whatever problems had nothing to do with it either since i have autism and at 9 i wasnt thinking of jumping off a building to see if i could fly. It just seems silly using wrestling as the apparent scapegoat since its the parents that need to try to explain that you get hurt and killed trying to copy, i mean i've liked wrestling since i was a kid but thankfully knew that it was dangerous and to not copy what i saw. I don't nor can ever have children but i know that i wouldn't let a child of mine watch wrestling until they were old enough to know never to copy what they saw, and the thing that annoys me is seeing parents take BABIES to wrestling and i think thats a serious issue WWE needs to deal with to stop parents from bringing babies to shows. I shake my head when i see these little tiny babies being waved around at shows being held by parents who probably see no issues with taking a CHILD that damn young to a show. What ever happened to people taking personal RESPONSIBILITY over their actions? A 17 year old kills another then blames wrestling for it yet they didnt force them to kill. WWE is just an easy target because parents can't/don't want to take the blame that they may have failed the kid and caused them to get hurt/killed. I am sure the parents are gonna be torturing themselves for the rest of their lives that for a moment they took their eyes off the ball their son died. Someone is going to get sued out of this and probably whoever owns the building since the kid was able to get to the roof.
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Post by mmmmmgood on Apr 17, 2009 14:55:35 GMT -5
plain and simple: the PARENT(S) ARE TO BLAME. No ONE else. Supervise your Retarded child- at all times, DO NOT leave it ALONE, and go shopping. Sorry, but my tragedy pity meter doesn't function on this one. Sad that a kid died,yes. Tragedy- to me? No. just my opinion. The real tragedy,to me?
Vince has to deal with a stupid,irresponsible lawsuit happy Dumba** parent out to play the blame game and push THE DEATH OF HER CHILD ON HIM- FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN GREED AND not wanting to acknowledge her OWN guilt.I feel sorry FOR THAT. As if Vince hasn't had enough of this sorta b.s in the past. Just my opinion.
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Post by MCMGM on Apr 17, 2009 14:58:24 GMT -5
Yeah my blood pressure is rising so I'm just going to back out of this thread.
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Post by Mac on Apr 17, 2009 15:54:44 GMT -5
"special needs" doesnt mean the kid had severe mental retardation. He very well may have. But in dealing with friends who have children and my sisters who have children in school "special needs" gets thrown around a lot. Hell I was a "special needs" student in 8th grade and that was in 1993 before it became a more blanket term for any kid who requires some help getting through a subject.
And I'm shocked theres people who dont see this as a tragedy. A kids dead, its tragic. True the circumstances may have been different had the parents taken more precations and the child (if able) used some common sense (even at 9 years old) but the fact a mother lost her child and a kid lost his life before it really even began is almost a dictionary definition of tragic.
People have been using scapegoats for years, and the WWE as a form of entertainment that involves high risk stunts and people settling their issues with violence is always going to be a prime candidate for attack.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Apr 18, 2009 6:13:50 GMT -5
Well at least, the mother erself says she should pay more attention to what games they play, so she is actually taking the blame, for a change.
But of course, one kid mentionned a video game, so the "journalists" automatically go all "IT'S THE GAME's FAULT!! Even though it was aimed at older children, that nothing in it resembles what the child did and that the WWE constantly tells the fans not to imitate what their employees do !"
I especially love how even the title of the article is shamefully bad. "9-year-old Damori Miles dies in jump off Brooklyn apartment, may have been imitating video game." Yeah, great journalism right there. He "may" have been imitating a video game, says some kid who didn't actually see what happened. You know, at this point, they may as well have titled it "kid jumps off roof. Possibly forced by pretty unicorns who were wearing TV sets on their heads." and it would have been just as accurate.
Again, even the mother explains that the door to the roof should have been locked and that she should have paid more attention to what her kids see or play. See, I actually feel sympathy for her because not only did she lose her son, she actually takes the blame (even though in that case, bad luck was also involved as the alarm was broken on the one day the kid decides to jump off the roof. So the one parent who wasn't actually fully responsible for her child's accident actually takes the responsibility).
Clearly this woman has a lot more common sense that whoever wrote this garbage. And yes, I know kids are impressionable, that's why parents must keep an eye on them, and explain them video games and fictions as a whole are for fun and should not be imitated.
Seriously, this is about as bad as the time medias blamed Manhunt for the murder of a teenager, only for the police to announce the game belonged to the victim, not the murderer.
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Post by Miss RKO on Apr 18, 2009 7:21:11 GMT -5
"special needs" doesnt mean the kid had severe mental retardation. He very well may have. But in dealing with friends who have children and my sisters who have children in school "special needs" gets thrown around a lot. Hell I was a "special needs" student in 8th grade and that was in 1993 before it became a more blanket term for any kid who requires some help getting through a subject. And I'm shocked theres people who dont see this as a tragedy. A kids dead, its tragic. True the circumstances may have been different had the parents taken more precations and the child (if able) used some common sense (even at 9 years old) but the fact a mother lost her child and a kid lost his life before it really even began is almost a dictionary definition of tragic. People have been using scapegoats for years, and the WWE as a form of entertainment that involves high risk stunts and people settling their issues with violence is always going to be a prime candidate for attack. I really hate the term "special needs" and "learning disability", because most of us classed with those are actually a lot more competent then those who made up those labels. I prefer the term socially awkward if im honest because it just makes more sense
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 18, 2009 7:51:33 GMT -5
Well at least, the mother erself says she should pay more attention to what games they play, so she is actually taking the blame, for a change. But of course, one kid mentionned a video game, so the "journalists" automatically go all "IT'S THE GAME's FAULT!! Even though it was aimed at older children, that nothing in it resembles what the child did and that the WWE constantly tells the fans not to imitate what their employees do !" I especially love how even the title of the article is shamefully bad. "9-year-old Damori Miles dies in jump off Brooklyn apartment, may have been imitating video game." Yeah, great journalism right there. He "may" have been imitating a video game, says some kid who didn't actually see what happened. You know, at this point, they may as well have titled it "kid jumps off roof. Possibly forced by pretty unicorns who were wearing TV sets on their heads." and it would have been just as accurate. Again, even the mother explains that the door to the roof should have been locked and that she should have paid more attention to what her kids see or play. See, I actually feel sympathy for her because not only did she lose her son, she actually takes the blame (even though in that case, bad luck was also involved as the alarm was broken on the one day the kid decides to jump off the roof. So the one parent who wasn't actually fully responsible for her child's accident actually takes the responsibility). Clearly this woman has a lot more common sense that whoever wrote this garbage. And yes, I know kids are impressionable, that's why parents must keep an eye on them, and explain them video games and fictions as a whole are for fun and should not be imitated. Seriously, this is about as bad as the time medias blamed Manhunt for the murder of a teenager, only for the police to announce the game belonged to the victim, not the murderer. You made the same mistake I did. The mother isn't quoted in the story. The woman talking about watching her kids is the mother of the friend. The woman saying the door should have been locked is the neighbor. Thus the kid quoted was likely athe one that knew him the best in the story.
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Post by Supersmark is a Troll on Apr 18, 2009 7:58:32 GMT -5
"special needs" doesnt mean the kid had severe mental retardation. He very well may have. But in dealing with friends who have children and my sisters who have children in school "special needs" gets thrown around a lot. Hell I was a "special needs" student in 8th grade and that was in 1993 before it became a more blanket term for any kid who requires some help getting through a subject. And I'm shocked theres people who dont see this as a tragedy. A kids dead, its tragic. True the circumstances may have been different had the parents taken more precations and the child (if able) used some common sense (even at 9 years old) but the fact a mother lost her child and a kid lost his life before it really even began is almost a dictionary definition of tragic. People have been using scapegoats for years, and the WWE as a form of entertainment that involves high risk stunts and people settling their issues with violence is always going to be a prime candidate for attack. I really hate the term "special needs" and "learning disability", because most of us classed with those are actually a lot more competent then those who made up those labels. I prefer the term socially awkward if im honest because it just makes more sense Not in America, here in America we label anyone "Special Needs," if they're failing several classes. Parents don't seem to think that their kids might not want to learn. I'm the Socially Awkward more competent type though. It's hard, because while I'm in Special Ed class, I'm bullied by America's future criminals.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Apr 18, 2009 9:08:56 GMT -5
"Robert Zimmerman, a spokesman for World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) Bob, don't you have an album to promote?
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Post by Miss RKO on Apr 18, 2009 9:17:30 GMT -5
I really hate the term "special needs" and "learning disability", because most of us classed with those are actually a lot more competent then those who made up those labels. I prefer the term socially awkward if im honest because it just makes more sense Not in America, here in America we label anyone "Special Needs," if they're failing several classes. Parents don't seem to think that their kids might not want to learn. I'm the Socially Awkward more competent type though. It's hard, because while I'm in Special Ed class, I'm bullied by America's future criminals. Huh...i wasn't in a special class when i was in school but then i guess we in the UK are just different
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