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Post by arthuradams2002 on Oct 12, 2009 0:39:12 GMT -5
People always talk about how much WM 9 sucked, but I thought that WM 2000 was much more of a tremendous let down. Here is the card breakdown.
DLo & Godfather (both with pimp gimmicks) vs. Bossman & Bull Buchannan (both with prison guard gimmicks)
I don't think there was any back story between these two teams. All four men weren't involved in any major angles at the time. It was a decent match, nothing special. The match felt like card filler, instead of a match reserved for Wrestle Mania.
Hardcore Battle Royal
This was the same as the now "Championship Scramble" match, except with a lot more wrestlers involved. Of course there was the botched finish, but there was something else that bothered me about this match. Two months prior, Tazz debuted at the Royal Rumble and got a strong win over Kurt Angle. WWE could have used this match the elevate Tazz and make him look like the same badass giantkiller he was in ECW. Instead, we get Tazz jobbing out to Viscera within the first couple of minutes via a shot to the head from one of the cookie sheets. Instead they could have had some like APA keeping the flow of action on the floor going, while Tazz would be in the ring just mowing through people.
Test & Albert vs. Snow and Blackman Just like the opening tag match, this match too just felt like a card filler. The match resembled a good Heat match or a good middle of the road Raw match at best.
Edge & Christian vs. Dudleyz vs. Hardyz
Ok, this was the first of the two "great" matches of the night. Technically this was the first TLC match, even though the phrase wasn't coined until later that Summer. The match was very innovative, and it helped put all the over. From the start of the Attitude era, the WWF had been adding more and more hardcore style wrestling to it's repertoire. But I believe this was the first time the WWE introduced a high-flying style to the hardcore genre. The match set the stage for matches today like Money in the Bank, and the Jeff Hardy ladder spot from here is constantly shown in today's highlight reels.
Terri vs. The Kat
Now we go from spectacular to craptacular! The high point of this match was "special ref" Val Venis getting tongue from Mae Young. What more can be said ?
Too Cool and Chyna vs. Radicalz
The angle here was that Eddie was infatuated with Chyna and he was constantly trying to her to fall for him. It seemed like they included Too Cool and the other Radicalz just to give everyone a payday. The next night, Chyna quit trying to fight Eddie out of her life and decided to fall for Eddie's "Latino Heat." But the six man tag itself just felt like another filler match.
Triangle Match Beniot vs. Angle vs. Jericho Very soild match between all three. The second of two great matches of the night. I liked the concept of having both titles defending in a 2 out of 3 falls match. I think this was one of the last times that the European title was being presented as a strong upper mid-card title. After then, the European title when down hill with Mideon finding it in Shane's bag, and all that garbage.
Rikishi & Kane vs. Road Dogg & X Pac I think the backstory was that Rikishi and Kane were just put together by default, because they both had beefs with DX. At this point, Road Dogg and XPac were on their last legs as a tag team. Decent match, but to be second highest on the WrestleMania card, give me a break. The highlight of this match was Pete Rose getting the stinkface.
Triple H vs. Rock vs. Foley vs. Big Show
The back story was that there was a McMahon in every corner. We had Vince and Linda (the faces) and Shane and Stephanie (the heels). So, it comes down to Triple H and Rock. They could have had sent this mediocre PPV home with either the Rock or Triple H going over cleanly. But no...what do we can instead ? Triple H wins, but his win was overshadowed by Vince turning heel. Sometimes we joke because WCW always had the "ultimate swerve", but this was overkill. Vince had be flip-flopping from siding with his family to turning against his family since 1998. So, at the climax of this match, Vince turns on the Rock and sides back with Shane and Stephanie. Plus, it didn't help the logic factor that a few minutes into the match, Vince got busted open and laid out by Shane. So, Vince turning on the Rock felt like "blah" here we go again, another Vince heel turn. Instead, the match should have delivered something like "WOW" "What a WrestleMania moment!"
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 12, 2009 1:32:03 GMT -5
I always thought rock vs hhh one on one should've headlined
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Post by arthuradams2002 on Oct 12, 2009 1:56:12 GMT -5
I would have even marked out for Foley and Rock in the finals with Foley giving the Rock the "Superfly Splash."
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 12, 2009 10:50:47 GMT -5
People always talk about how much WM 9 sucked, but I thought that WM 2000 was much more of a tremendous let down. Here is the card breakdown. DLo & Godfather (both with pimp gimmicks) vs. Bossman & Bull Buchannan (both with prison guard gimmicks) I don't think there was any back story between these two teams. All four men weren't involved in any major angles at the time. It was a decent match, nothing special. The match felt like card filler, instead of a match reserved for Wrestle Mania. Hardcore Battle Royal This was the same as the now "Championship Scramble" match, except with a lot more wrestlers involved. Of course there was the botched finish, but there was something else that bothered me about this match. Two months prior, Tazz debuted at the Royal Rumble and got a strong win over Kurt Angle. WWE could have used this match the elevate Tazz and make him look like the same badass giantkiller he was in ECW. Instead, we get Tazz jobbing out to Viscera within the first couple of minutes via a shot to the head from one of the cookie sheets. Instead they could have had some like APA keeping the flow of action on the floor going, while Tazz would be in the ring just mowing through people. Test & Albert vs. Snow and Blackman Just like the opening tag match, this match too just felt like a card filler. The match resembled a good Heat match or a good middle of the road Raw match at best. Edge & Christian vs. Dudleyz vs. Hardyz
Ok, this was the first of the two "great" matches of the night. Technically this was the first TLC match, even though the phrase wasn't coined until later that Summer. The match was very innovative, and it helped put all the over. From the start of the Attitude era, the WWF had been adding more and more hardcore style wrestling to it's repertoire. But I believe this was the first time the WWE introduced a high-flying style to the hardcore genre. The match set the stage for matches today like Money in the Bank, and the Jeff Hardy ladder spot from here is constantly shown in today's highlight reels. Terri vs. The Kat Now we go from spectacular to craptacular! The high point of this match was "special ref" Val Venis getting tongue from Mae Young. What more can be said ? Too Cool and Chyna vs. Radicalz The angle here was that Eddie was infatuated with Chyna and he was constantly trying to her to fall for him. It seemed like they included Too Cool and the other Radicalz just to give everyone a payday. The next night, Chyna quit trying to fight Eddie out of her life and decided to fall for Eddie's "Latino Heat." But the six man tag itself just felt like another filler match. Triangle Match Beniot vs. Angle vs. Jericho Very soild match between all three. The second of two great matches of the night. I liked the concept of having both titles defending in a 2 out of 3 falls match. I think this was one of the last times that the European title was being presented as a strong upper mid-card title. After then, the European title when down hill with Mideon finding it in Shane's bag, and all that garbage. Rikishi & Kane vs. Road Dogg & X Pac I think the backstory was that Rikishi and Kane were just put together by default, because they both had beefs with DX. At this point, Road Dogg and XPac were on their last legs as a tag team. Decent match, but to be second highest on the WrestleMania card, give me a break. The highlight of this match was Pete Rose getting the stinkface. Triple H vs. Rock vs. Foley vs. Big Show The back story was that there was a McMahon in every corner. We had Vince and Linda (the faces) and Shane and Stephanie (the heels). So, it comes down to Triple H and Rock. They could have had sent this mediocre PPV home with either the Rock or Triple H going over cleanly. But no...what do we can instead ? Triple H wins, but his win was overshadowed by Vince turning heel. Sometimes we joke because WCW always had the "ultimate swerve", but this was overkill. Vince had be flip-flopping from siding with his family to turning against his family since 1998. So, at the climax of this match, Vince turns on the Rock and sides back with Shane and Stephanie. Plus, it didn't help the logic factor that a few minutes into the match, Vince got busted open and laid out by Shane. So, Vince turning on the Rock felt like "blah" here we go again, another Vince heel turn. Instead, the match should have delivered something like "WOW" "What a WrestleMania moment!" Ok the whole Mideon thing happened in 99. After Shane beat X-Pac. The title was still pretty strong after it. Until 02 where it ended with a Jeff Hardy vs. RVD ladder Match on a Raw. |
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Post by Impact Zone's #1 DUMMY...YEAH on Oct 13, 2009 0:56:23 GMT -5
Can someone explain what the "botched finish" in the HC battle royal was?
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Post by thesam07 on Oct 13, 2009 1:07:18 GMT -5
I agree, it wasn't a great WM at all. The Triple Threat Inter-Pean championship match was my favourite match on the card. And I loved how the next night on Raw, Kurt Angle blamed his mentor Mr Bob Backlund for losing the titles even though Angle was never pinned. And was that the first time a heel had won a Wrestlemania Main Event? Can someone explain what the "botched finish" in the HC battle royal was? Crash was supposed to pin Bob Holly in the dying seconds of the match. However due to a timing error Bob Holly won the match. |
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Post by quantum on Oct 13, 2009 4:15:59 GMT -5
The card screams wrestle crap and is far worse than Wrestlemania 9. I do like my Tag matches and multi men matches. However it;s Wrestlemania and the main matches should be built around singles matches. However if this was the case we would have a very weak card. IMO WWF tried to make the card as strong as possible with Tag and multi men matches. Which backfired on the biggest stage of them all. Also Foley should be no where near the main event of WM. This would be an excellent booking challenge. and the only thing which should save WM 2000 from being inducted into wrestle crap is the Wrestlemania 2000 game for N64 not the event it;s self. There is nothing on the card which says 'this is 'Wrestlemania' and their are no Wrestlemania moments which are instantly identifiable with this PPV. Wrestlemania 9 had both
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Oct 13, 2009 6:55:06 GMT -5
2000 was probably my favourite WWF year, but I will agree that this 'Mania was pretty weak. It just seemed like they were trying to get as many people on the card as possible, hance matches like Godfather/D'Lo vs Buchanan/Bossman.
Still some very good matches on the card though.
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Post by quantum on Oct 13, 2009 8:10:55 GMT -5
2000 was probably my favorite WWF year, but I will agree that this 'Mania was pretty weak. It just seemed like they were trying to get as many people on the card as possible, hance matches like Godfather/D'Lo vs Buchanan/Bossman. Still some very good matches on the card though. There were no matches which said 'this is the biggest event of the year'. Like Austin VS Rock the year before. No 'Wrestlemania moments' and no blow off to feuds. This was more a small PPV card. Certainly not Mania. I also didn;t like how they billed the event as Wrestlemania 2000 not 16. The name sounds dumb to me and the real main event of the show was the McMahon's not the Four Corners match and again a Four Corners match for the WWF Championship should not be the main event of Wrestlemania of any year. It's amazing to think how awesome the WWF was in 2000 and 1999 they had to of the worst and most lackluster Wrestlemania's of all time.With the card and how hot the property was. You think it would be a lot easier for them to put on an awesome Mania and card. Outside of Rock VS Austin Wrestlemania 15 didn;t feel like Mania either and outside of that match there are no Mania matches or moments which says this is Mania. Wrestlemania 9 and 11 didn;t have the hottest cards in the world but still produced Mania match's and moments. It;s if they were not even trying to make Mania feel spacial those years. However Wrestlemania the most awesome event ever in the history of the WWF/E certainly made up for it the next again year (2001) and 2000/1999 were far and away better than 2001 which gave us the fans dream of the Invasion storyline and everything that brought in). 1999 was a pretty bad year for PPV all round though. I think the same can be said for a few other years as well including 1997 the year was awesome (rise of Austin, Undertaker VS Paul Bearer and Kane. Bret Hart heel turn and Canada VS America storyline among other angles and matches). However Mania 13 sucked (expect for Austin VS Hart). |
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Post by arthuradams2002 on Oct 13, 2009 16:43:00 GMT -5
Let's compare the endings from WrestleMania 2000 and WrestleMania 2001.
2001 - Austin is making a WrestleMania comeback after sitting out last year's with an injury. Austin's obsession for the WWF title causes him to viciously turn on the Rock and side with him longtime rival McMahon.
2000 - McMahon turns heel again. After I watched it I was feeling like, "is that it ? all that WrestleMania hype just for McMahon to turn heel for the thousandth time." If Schivonie was calling Wrestle Mania 2000, he would have said "the ultimate swerve!"
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Post by arthuradams2002 on Oct 13, 2009 16:47:18 GMT -5
Also, look at how the WWE has drastically changed from 2000 to now with the three roster overload. Nowdays, there are so many great talents that aren't even able to make it to WrestleMania because there isn't enough room on the card. Back in 2000, even wrestlers like Bull Buchannan, Too Cool, and Perry Saturn got matches on the Wrestle Mania card. This past year there wasn't even any room on the WrestleMania card for an ECW title match.
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Post by bandit on Oct 13, 2009 17:21:42 GMT -5
There's some terrible moments but it sure isn't Wrestlecrap induction worthy as a whole. Induct Terri-The Kat and the Chyna crap not the whole event. The McMahons in every corner gimmick and finish with the Vince heel turn were lame, but the match itself was entertaining. It's nowhere near as awful as Wrestlemania 9, which had nothing positive and certainly nothing on the level of Benoit-Angle-Jericho and the TLC match to redeem the bad.
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Post by quantum on Oct 14, 2009 12:46:44 GMT -5
There's some terrible moments but it sure isn't Wrestlecrap induction worthy as a whole. Induct Terri-The Kat and the Chyna crap not the whole event. The McMahons in every corner gimmick and finish with the Vince heel turn were lame, but the match itself was entertaining. It's nowhere near as awful as Wrestlemania 9, which had nothing positive and certainly nothing on the level of Benoit-Angle-Jericho and the TLC match to redeem the bad. Wrestlemania 2000 just for a little short list had the crap you mentioned (McMahon's and Terri-The Kat and Chyna crap) and did have some up moments as well (Beniot-Angle-Jericho). However Wrestlemania 2000 just felt like another PP0V rather than the biggest PPV of the year. It produced no Mania matches or moments. It had a very underwhelming main event which should have happened at a smaller PPV not Mania. The matches were all multi man matches which meant there would be no blow off to feuds and that's one of the main reasons for massive PPVs like Mania. Those multi man matches were nothing special either and should have taken place at a smaller event again not Mania 2000. It seemed there was a bunch of random matches on the card and the company was more bothered with putting as many wrestlers on the card as possible. Than they were with putting on a excellent Mania that year. It was a very underwhelming event, one of the worst Manias of all time and certainly in my book deserved an induction. Co,pared to Wrestlemania 9 it is far worse. Mania 2000 had two or three good and decent matches on the card thew rest filler and the Main event angle was just horrible for Mania and deserves an induction for that alone. Mania 9 had an excellent Intercontinetial championship opener between HBK and Tatanka (which admittedly had a weak ending), Headshrinkers VS Steiners was a solid 4 star match if not a 5, Luger VS Perfect was a decent match and deserved to take place at Mania thou8gh a little more of a build would have been far better. Money Inc VS Brutus and Hogan was a great match though again the ending let it down slightly, this was also Hogans last billed match at Mania. Yokozuna fought Bret Hart in the Hitmans first WWF Wrestlemania championship match and got beat by a screw job finish. Hogan came out Fuji challenged Hogan (which made sense as they both had history and everyone knows Hogan always fought the evil challenger). Hogan won the title the crowd gave the biggest pop of the night. Sent the fans home more than happy, Mania 9 then had 5 Mania caliber matches (HBK VS Tatanka, Headshrinkers, VS Steiners, Money Inc VS Brutus and Hogan, Perfect VS Luger, Bret Hart VS Yokiozuna) and a few other good and one wrestle crap match on the card. Which was still fun as it was the first time we ever saw The Undertaker challenged by any opponent or dominated. We also had the evil; clown Doink on the card and Razor Ramon's first Mania as well. Mania 9 gave us a lot of Mania moments also, The Roman Coliseum 9which was fun and added to the fun feeling of the event at the time), J.R's first Mania (along with Savage and Bobby Heanan on commentary), Hogans last Mania match (till Wrestlemania 18) as well as Ted DiBiases last Mania, Undertaker being dominated for the first time, Doink the evil clown and Hogan ending the Mania as champion for the final time 9and last Mania till 18). I think it is obvious then that Wresltemania 2000 was far worse than Mania 9 (not vice versa) and was far more forgettable and does deserve to be inducted |
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Post by Matt Dunn on Oct 14, 2009 15:27:18 GMT -5
The D'Lo/Godfather vs Buchanan/Bossman ,T&A vs Head Cheese, and the 6-man tag matches could as well of taken place on Heat before hand or on Smackdown or RAW. True, Rock vs HHH should've headlined, but they wanted to give Foley one last hurrah. And the Hardcore battle royal was a clusterfrick and the main reasons it was on the card was to a)try to give everyone a spot at Mania and b)capitalize on the 24/7 garbage.
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Post by Cavs for Mavs Mafia on Oct 14, 2009 17:33:14 GMT -5
Test & Albert vs. Snow and Blackman Just like the opening tag match, this match too just felt like a card filler. The match resembled a good Heat match or a good middle of the road Raw match at best. I will not let anyone diminish the epic legacy of Headcheese. |
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Post by Dean-o on Oct 15, 2009 22:22:32 GMT -5
I don't remember much from the card, but just by reading some matches it sounds like a WrestleCrap event. Hardly a WrestleMania worthy card, but then again, it seems they did everything they could to get everybody on the roster a spot on the card. I'm sure kids looking back at WrestleMania VI or VII would think the same thing. I guess i'm just biased  |
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Post by destrucity on Oct 15, 2009 23:31:45 GMT -5
In your description of the event, you say there were 2 great matches. Any event that has 2 great matches can't be considered Wrestlecrap. Was WrestleMania X Wrestlecrap? It had only 2 great matches.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Oct 16, 2009 11:32:08 GMT -5
HHH winning the main event ruined that WM for me however I liked the all day WM thing that was like the greatest live documentry ever
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Oct 16, 2009 11:38:48 GMT -5
In your description of the event, you say there were 2 great matches. Any event that has 2 great matches can't be considered Wrestlecrap. Was WrestleMania X Wrestlecrap? It had only 2 great matches. 'Mania 2 had a couple of great matches to my mind, that got inducted. Hell, December 2 Dismember had an awesome Hardys/MNM match, plus I enjoyed the Extreme Elimination Chamber - probably not the general consensus, but there we go. |
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Post by TripleMerc on Oct 16, 2009 21:50:00 GMT -5
In your description of the event, you say there were 2 great matches. Any event that has 2 great matches can't be considered Wrestlecrap. Was WrestleMania X Wrestlecrap? It had only 2 great matches. 'Mania 2 had a couple of great matches to my mind, that got inducted. Hell, December 2 Dismember had an awesome Hardys/MNM match, plus I enjoyed the Extreme Elimination Chamber - probably not the general consensus, but there we go. Yeah, but WM2 and D2D were painfully bad throughout, aside from their highlights. Wrestlemania 2000 had good matches, and then just painfully mediocre matches. Not crap, just nothing special. |
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