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Post by currykid on May 1, 2009 14:51:38 GMT -5
Every tag team split up (in my recent memory)
Has one break out star (Or at least gets a push) and one star who flounders
(Bret/Anvil HBK/Jannetty Edge/Christian Bubba was pushed more then D Von Gunn was pushed more then Road Dogg Shelton pushed more then Hass)
I could name more but this is usually the road it goes
I was fully expecting Miz to be "Jannetyed" but he is doing well as is Morrison. I love that WWE is pushing both stars. Just sayin.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on May 1, 2009 14:56:43 GMT -5
I think they have big single run plans for Miz and Morrison. Miz has improved a great deal. Well technically wrestling wise I don't think he has improved I actually think he has been good ever since he came in with his actual in ring work. I think he is just finally getting over without having the shadow of being on The Real World as his claim to fame.
I think Morrison is going to get a huge face run here in a few months.
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Post by George Harrison on May 1, 2009 14:58:50 GMT -5
You think? Including Edge & Christian is odd, as Christian is main eventing and is nowhere near what Jannety became.
The Rockers should never be the example as HBK went on to become one of the biggest stars in wrestling, if not the biggest at some point. Same as the Hart Foundation. with Bret.
Bubba Ray, & Billy Gunn would have to reach epic points in their career to match them to those two tag teams. Edge & Christian, Hardy Boyz are both good examples of one outshining the other but all four of them are growing and with growth brings potential for success. I don't think there have ever been a tag-team that is capable of being in the same boat of Rockers, & Hart Foundation because one would have to reach the opus and the other would just metaphorically drown.
Miz & morrison split up less than a month ago, how is either one of their single careers successful since lol? If Miz is successful in a year, then it'd fit more, but the assessment of him now is just far too soon
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Post by Loki on May 1, 2009 15:10:05 GMT -5
When/if both tag team members are good and reliable enough to get a decent push, there's no need or plan to "Jannetty-ize" one of the two.
Christian was risking to end up like Marty, but bounced back.
For Miz and Morrison it's a matter of how well their first feud will go... Oddly enough, I think The Shaman of Sexy is the one risking the most, as he already had some singles runs and didn't make much of that.
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Post by currykid on May 1, 2009 15:44:38 GMT -5
You think? Including Edge & Christian is odd, as Christian is main eventing and is nowhere near what Jannety became. The Rockers should never be the example as HBK went on to become one of the biggest stars in wrestling, if not the biggest at some point. Same as the Hart Foundation. with Bret. Bubba Ray, & Billy Gunn would have to reach epic points in their career to match them to those two tag teams. Edge & Christian, Hardy Boyz are both good examples of one outshining the other but all four of them are growing and with growth brings potential for success. I don't think there have ever been a tag-team that is capable of being in the same boat of Rockers, & Hart Foundation because one would have to reach the opus and the other would just metaphorically drown. Miz & morrison split up less than a month ago, how is either one of their single careers successful since lol? If Miz is successful in a year, then it'd fit more, but the assessment of him now is just far too soon Your missing my point with Billy/Dogg and Ray/ Dvon One was pushed.... (Ray being around the main event scene) while the other was not pushed as hard (Dvon in midcard) |
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Post by mrjl on May 1, 2009 16:24:44 GMT -5
Every tag team split up (in my recent memory) Has one break out star (Or at least gets a push) and one star who flounders (Bret/Anvil HBK/Jannetty Edge/Christian Bubba was pushed more then D Von Gunn was pushed more then Road Dogg Shelton pushed more then Hass) I could name more but this is usually the road it goes I was fully expecting Miz to be "Jannetyed" but he is doing well as is Morrison. I love that WWE is pushing both stars. Just sayin. D-Von was initially pushed more than Bubba, being given his own non-Dudley gimmick, then having Batista as a lackey and even tabling Bubba during a PPV. But his gimmick failed. Menatime Bubba had Spike to fall back on with a variation of the Dudley gimmick |
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Post by currykid on May 1, 2009 18:35:52 GMT -5
Every tag team split up (in my recent memory) Has one break out star (Or at least gets a push) and one star who flounders (Bret/Anvil HBK/Jannetty Edge/Christian Bubba was pushed more then D Von Gunn was pushed more then Road Dogg Shelton pushed more then Hass) I could name more but this is usually the road it goes I was fully expecting Miz to be "Jannetyed" but he is doing well as is Morrison. I love that WWE is pushing both stars. Just sayin. D-Von was initially pushed more than Bubba, being given his own non-Dudley gimmick, then having Batista as a lackey and even tabling Bubba during a PPV. But his gimmick failed. Menatime Bubba had Spike to fall back on with a variation of the Dudley gimmick D von got a new gimmick but it went nowhere quickly. Just because he got a nobody as a lackey didn't mean anything Bubba was an upper midcarder on Raw at the time. Dvon was not getting a bigger push overall |
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Post by mrjl on May 1, 2009 19:07:59 GMT -5
D-Von was initially pushed more than Bubba, being given his own non-Dudley gimmick, then having Batista as a lackey and even tabling Bubba during a PPV. But his gimmick failed. Menatime Bubba had Spike to fall back on with a variation of the Dudley gimmick D von got a new gimmick but it went nowhere quickly. Just because he got a nobody as a lackey didn't mean anything Bubba was an upper midcarder on Raw at the time. Dvon was not getting a bigger push overall as soon as they split Batista from D-VOn he was recruited by Ric FLair. I believe they had bigger plans for D-Von, the gimmick just failed. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 1, 2009 19:09:06 GMT -5
People keep using Jannety as an example, but that is not a truly good analogy for what they are trying to say. Jannety would have been pushed (in fact, he won both the IC and Tag titles after the split), but he was even less reliable than Jake Roberts was at the time. He could not be depended on, and was given multiple fresh chances to prove that he had improved in that respect. If he had exhibited some more self-control at the time, he would have been a bigger star. World champ? Maybe not, but how many big stars didn't ever hit that mark back in those days?
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Post by Lancers on May 1, 2009 23:25:20 GMT -5
People keep using Jannety as an example, but that is not a truly good analogy for what they are trying to say. Jannety would have been pushed (in fact, he won both the IC and Tag titles after the split), but he was even less reliable than Jake Roberts was at the time. Jannetty's an easy target because when you compare his accomplishments to Michaels' achievements, it's a huge difference. It's kinda like when David Lee Roth broke up with Van Halen. DLR had a couple of hit songs shortly after leaving and some thought had a brighter future, but by the end of the 80s he damn near disappeared from the mainstream while Van Halen was still one of the biggest bands on the planet. Plus, Marty Jannetty did wear some of David Lee Roth's old costumes in the early 90s that DLR gave away so he could afford to hire a midget security.   |
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Post by Mozenrath on May 1, 2009 23:29:59 GMT -5
I think to be Marty Jannetied, a lot of what causes it is to simply not move past the team's gimmick.
Think of it this way: D-X broke up, and Road Dogg and X-Pac basically just did the exact same thing. Seems like the only time Billy Gunn got further success was when he'd do something different.
The One Billy Gunn had an IC title reign and was moderately popular for a little while, then came Billy and Chuck. When he seemed to go back to Mr. Ass, he seemed to just fall off the radar and disappear.
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Post by Jay Broni on May 1, 2009 23:44:34 GMT -5
I predict big things for Morrison, but I just don't think Miz has it in him to be a major star. Not enough ability, not enough charisma (yeah, I said it), just not enough.
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