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Post by Unaffiliated on May 4, 2009 7:46:07 GMT -5
Don't know if this has been discussed before, but does anyone
agree that MITB (with its current stipulations) cheapens the World
Championships?
Since its inception, three out of 4 times the title has changed
hands in what could hardly be described as matches. It became
relevant again on the latest Smackdown Punk just had to wait for Edge to be down before cashing in.
I think there needs a new stipulation where a minimum time is allowed between the MITB holder cashing in and the actual match
itself. Besides, the concept of the surprise winning of the World Title got old after the first time, and the last two cash-ins have made the title more and more like the old Hardcore Championship
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Post by Push R Truth on May 4, 2009 7:50:14 GMT -5
I disagree.
It makes the Title look even more important. Not only do you have to fight off Batista every Sunday, but now you have to worry about some Super Midcarder that is waiting for the moment you are laid out.
Plus, it's only 1 briefcase a year. It it was more than that, I'd see your point. But it's a nice change of pace.
I'd rather argue that guys getting repeating Title Shots devalues the title much worse than Money in the Bank. At least with the briefcase, you had to beat people.
A guy that's been gone 6 months that has his first match be for a title is a kick in the nuts to making the Title (or even a shot at the title) look like a prop rather than an achievement.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 4, 2009 8:03:50 GMT -5
Eh, it only hurts the belt's credibility when one thinks that every world title match should have a drawn-out buildup.
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Post by currykid on May 4, 2009 8:09:48 GMT -5
Getting cheap title wins like Punk and Edge? ............ Yeah, a little bit
When it's used like it was used with RVD it can be great though.
Just being able to pin the champ after he has been in a huge battle cheapens the title a bit
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Post by Beans on May 4, 2009 8:21:04 GMT -5
It's a n old tired concept which even from the kayfabe aspect of it is dumb.
People who LOST in the MITB matches at WM often get title shots before the winner. How does that even make sense?
Scrap the concept altogether and replace it with two or three decent mid-card feuds.
Even the matches themselves get repeititve, each year they're essentially the same and I don't think re-hashing 'how to fall off a ladder' demos are worth it.
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Post by SAJ Forth on May 4, 2009 8:40:34 GMT -5
I think that they need to have Punk announce he chooses to use the shot shortly before he does so(Maybe a week before he Judgement Day, he announces he'll face the winner on SmackDown that following friday).
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Post by Mac on May 4, 2009 8:47:26 GMT -5
Im not sure the belt carries any real "value" now anyway. And thats not a rant on the product but just the way I've seen things over the past decade. The World Titles seem like for the most part a reason to fued (with some exceptions). And personally I seldomly order a PPV based on the streingth of the world title fued but instead over what they can build up on the undercard. I think a strong undercard means a lot more to the product than the world title. These are fueds that need to have some reasoning behind them not the "ME WANT TITLE" fueds. Having the MITB adds a lazy (but somewhat interesting) spin to both the midcard and the title picture. The air of uncertainty it adds to what is most times a predictable medium does give people a reason to tune in.
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Post by nt86 on May 4, 2009 9:11:25 GMT -5
Not the concept, but booking behind it. Edge and Punk have benefitted from their first MITB wins, but the whole "I'll cash it in and pin you when you're down" routine is too predictable now. They need to think of some other way of wrestlers cashing it in.
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Post by bitteroldman on May 4, 2009 9:58:29 GMT -5
I think it does just the opposite and adds to the value of the title. You've made the belt such a precious and desirable commodity that a wrestler will do nearly anything to acquire it, including taking advantage of a weakened and/or injured current champion.
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Post by STMP on May 4, 2009 10:24:02 GMT -5
Having so many world titles devalues it's importance. Just look at the Royal Rumble. Back in them good ol' days, the winner of the Rumble would face the world champion. Now he gets to pick from three world titles. But then the Rumblewinner picks a belt to challenge at Wrestlemania and some other guy gets a title shot based on banging or feuding with the GM.
So why even bother winning the Rumble? Just kick Vicky in the poontang or suck up to Teddy Long.
MITB is a cool concept but it needs some better booking behind it. But there is enough room for some good storylines. Just imagine a Wrestlemania where a loved face wins the MITB and the hated heel wins a world title, leaving the fans all sad at the end of Wrestlemania. But then the face cashes in his MITB title shot and wins the title that same night. Making the fans happy again.
Or someone losing the Royal Rumble but uses his MITB to wrestle at Wrestlemania anyway. And it would be even cooler if he challenges for the same title as the Rumblewinner.
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Post by The Curmudgeon on May 4, 2009 12:28:01 GMT -5
It's a match where the wrestlers have to damn near kill themselves to get the title match. No, it doesn't devalue the belt in the slightest.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on May 4, 2009 12:34:45 GMT -5
I think MITB still works but needs more originality. They need to use it with someone who inserts themselves into a main event. You know, like Cena/Edge last man standing main event... except Punk inserts himself into it.
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Post by Lancers on May 4, 2009 12:58:32 GMT -5
If Buff Bagwell had won the title, THEN it's officially devalued.
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Post by Beast Army Ass on May 4, 2009 13:38:32 GMT -5
I say no. To me, the briefcase is more an instrument of change than anything else. A plot device, if you will. Not to mention, that everyone who has cashed it in got their status elevated a LOT as a result. So I don't think it devalues world titles, it just gives new people to hold them. And considering it's usually the same people holding/fighting for the title, MITB is a refreshing change of pace.
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on May 4, 2009 13:43:56 GMT -5
Getting cheap title wins like Punk and Edge? ............ Yeah, a little bit When it's used like it was used with RVD it can be great though. Just being able to pin the champ after he has been in a huge battle cheapens the title a bit That is my only problem. Also Punk never even gor the buid up to be a main eventer so this pretty much cheapens tltle a lot. |
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Post by Red Impact on May 4, 2009 13:56:22 GMT -5
The value of the title is completely dependent on how the person holding it feels about having it. It's kayfabe value only. So MitB doesn't hurt it anymore than a 6-month long feud culminating with a PPV title win helps it. If the person holding it doesn't care about it, it's devalued.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 4, 2009 14:01:36 GMT -5
Am I the only one who wants the MITB at Wrestlemania, but not a ladder match? Yes, it makes for good spots, but I don't think it would hurt to let it rest for one year and have it replaced with something else. Elimination match, 6-pack (or 8 pack) challenge match, hardcore battle royal, something new. You can still base it around guys beating the piss out of each other, but having a ladder match every single year seems a bit much (especially given all the other ladder matches that are done on TV or other PPVs).
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Post by Reptar on May 4, 2009 14:03:11 GMT -5
So I don't think it devalues world titles, it just gives new people to hold them. And considering it's usually the same people holding/fighting for the title, MITB is a refreshing change of pace. And that's exactly why I didn't like Punk winning again this year. No one should ever win the briefcase twice. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 14:49:37 GMT -5
Am I the only one who wants the MITB at Wrestlemania, but not a ladder match? Yes, it makes for good spots, but I don't think it would hurt to let it rest for one year and have it replaced with something else. Elimination match, 6-pack (or 8 pack) challenge match, hardcore battle royal, something new. You can still base it around guys beating the piss out of each other, but having a ladder match every single year seems a bit much (especially given all the other ladder matches that are done on TV or other PPVs). I could go for having a MITB every mania, but having the match be different sorts of gimmick matches and not always a ladder match. Such as....wait a minute.... ... ... ... MITB ON A POLE! Book it Russo |
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Post by SenorCrest on May 4, 2009 15:50:38 GMT -5
I like MITB because you are pretty much picking out one mid-carder and giving him the path to the main event. As for the devaluing of the title , I don't really think it does cuz I do think the person who won the match deserved it. and maybe next year they'll have 8 man elimination flaming TLC piñata on a pole match.
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