Damn that title lineage is confusing

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Now the Big Gold is on Smackdown with the rest of the WCW belts, does anyone else kind of bothered by the fact that it's the only of the WCW belts that hasn't retained it's lineage? The cruiserweight belt is the only wcw belt that wasn't retired after the invasion so that explains the lineage. But the U.S. Title (and Intercontinental title) retained their old lineage when Stephanie/Austin broght them back, but the World title did not.

Let's not forget the horrible way they handled the World Tag team titles.

When the Tag team champions switched shows, they stupidly changed the name to World tag championship for some reason (to match the world title) but it still has the WWe lineage. While the Smackdown belts are the WWe tag team titles but they start only with the Stephanie era Smackdown.

If they could somehow switch the champions, then it'd good cause then every belt would be in it's correct place, and the hurricane and Rosey would be on smackdown with Stacy and the Cruiserweights.

[THE Dinobot]

Who's the current T.V. Champion?

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And for no reason, I find the whole World heavy title in general the belts in specific to be kind of strange to figure out. Since the wrestlers always speak of the actual physical belt ("this belt has been held by so and so").

If I remember correctly, the original incarnation is the version Raven is wearing. That was confusing since the nwa is not specific entity, and so it was technically the WCW title, and Flair changed it to Big gold. Then he left to WWF with the belt so they created a new one. Then it became the international title. . Wcw split from Nwa (so they couldn't get the original back) then they reunified the Gig gold with the gay replacement belt and the old design returned to then become the old nwa-ecw title (which I dont' understand since they were a nobody independant back then), which Shane douglas threw down, and they split and created an official Ecw title. The title was somewhere else for ten years (I think it appeared on wwf tv since Dan severn was champion when he was working for them), and then reappears in 2002 as part of TnA.

The big Gold belt itself was Nwa, strictly WCW, to WWF undisputed, to Single brand World Heavyweight championship.

I don't even know what happened to the ecw title, they should have merged that when Rhino should up on Raw.

[Shiori C: WC Blue Moon Poster]

NWA Title- Dates back to about 1902. Was thrown down by Shane Douglas in 1996-ish, thus making title look loserriffic. Shane was ECW Champion as WELL as NWA Champ- they weren't the same title. Resurrected, of course, by TNA.
Current holder- Raven.

WCW Title- Dates back to about 1990- I believe that Sting was both WCW and NWA Champion, and then WCW severed ties with NWA in about 1990. (Equally, Doom were the first WCW Tag Team Champions, defeating the NWA Tag Team Champions the Steiners. This is confusing).
Current holder- nobody- assimilated with WWF Title to form Undisputed Championship (therefore technically held by John Cena).

WWE World Heavyweight Title- Dates to 2002, when HHH was basically given the belt. No links to other titles. Looks the same, isn't. Current holder- Batista.

The US Title was officially resurrected, and the Cruiserweight Title was never abandoned, hence retaining its lineage- it was merged with the Light-Heavyweight Title. You're right that the titling of the World Tag Team Championship is pretty nonsensical.

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shioricoybito said:

NWA Title- Dates back to about 1902. Was thrown down by Shane Douglas in 1996-ish, thus making title look loserriffic. Shane was ECW Champion as WELL as NWA Champ- they weren't the same title. Resurrected, of course, by TNA.
Current holder- Raven.

WCW Title- Dates back to about 1990- I believe that Sting was both WCW and NWA Champion, and then WCW severed ties with NWA in about 1990. (Equally, Doom were the first WCW Tag Team Champions, defeating the NWA Tag Team Champions the Steiners. This is confusing).
Current holder- nobody- assimilated with WWF Title to form Undisputed Championship (therefore technically held by John Cena).

WWE World Heavyweight Title- Dates to 2002, when HHH was basically given the belt. No links to other titles. Looks the same, isn't. Current holder- Batista.

The US Title was officially resurrected, and the Cruiserweight Title was never abandoned, hence retaining its lineage- it was merged with the Light-Heavyweight Title. You're right that the titling of the World Tag Team Championship is pretty nonsensical.

It's strange though, if you count the current WWe title with wcw lineage, you have to count the current World title with the WWF European, Hardcore and Intercontinental championships (prior to Christian/Booker) since they all were unified by bischoff.

Didn't X-pac never lose the lightheavyweight title? just nobody cared about it, since Cruiserweight sounded better and WcW created a better reputation with it? And then he got fired.

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I think you're right, actually. Does Waltman still have that belt? He should've shown up in TNA with it. It's the World Heavyweight Title that has the Eurohardcore lineage, not the WWE Title:

- Van Dam d. Jeff Hardy to unify I/C and European
- Van Dam d. Tommy Dreamer and others to unify I/C and Hardcore
- Jericho d. Van Dam for the I/C
- Kane d. Jericho for the I/C
- Triple H d. Kane to unify World HC and Intercontinental
- Intercontinental Title revived; European and Hardcore never are

Oh, and Dino: I think the WCW TV Title was merged with the European Title in some bollocks way.

[Phoenix]

Van Dam d. Tommy Dreamer and others to unify I/C and Hardcore

so then why dont the IC belt have the 24/7 rule? lol

[Wheresmy5bucks]

Forgot the fate of the TV title, know it wasn't merged with the Euro title, just remember Scott Hall throwing it away, then Hacksaw finding it. After that I don't know. Think it just vanished, no one cared since Hacksaw would only defend it on Worldwide or Saturday Night.

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phoenix said:

Van Dam d. Tommy Dreamer and others to unify I/C and Hardcore

so then why dont the IC belt have the 24/7 rule? lol

Technically, the IC belt is now the WWE Championship if I'm correct. So therefore John Cena should have to defend the title 24/7. I can just imagine Cena doing some press release stuff for his album and out of nowhere Snitsky hits Cena with a chairshot to the head and becomes WWE Champion.

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Was there a lower-card belt in the WCW when they invaded WWF?

www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/pages/wcw/wcwtv.htm is the history of the TV Title: you're right, it wasn't merged: just got forgotten about.

Oh, and re the 24/7 rule and why Cena doesn't defend it like that: if you remember, the 24/7 Hardcore Title rule was abandoned a week before unification. I vaguely remember talk that they were planning to have Dreamer as a long-reigning HC Title holder, but must have just thought "eh, screw it".

[marvelocity]

One thing I remember about the Hardcore Title...

JBL complained when John Cena changed the US Title to put a spinner on it, but when he was the Hardcore Champion, he put cow horns on the damn thing!

[Above Average]

Cena doesnt hold the IC belt technically, nor the Hardcore or European. The two latter belts I mention were merged with the Intercontinental, and then the IC was merged with the World Heavyweight title, currently being held by Batista.

As for the Tag titles:

- Tag Team Champions, Billy and Chuck are drafted to Smackdown with the belts in the original draft.
- Rico/Rikishi def Billy/Chuck for belts
- Billy/Chuck def Rico/Rikishi for belts
- Edge/Hogan def Billy/Chuck for the belts
- Christian/Storm def Edge/Hogan for the belts
- Christian, Lance Storm and Test all jump ship to the Raw brand, thus taking the Tag Team belts with them.
- Hurricane/Kane def Christian/Storm for the belts
- Smackdown GM, Stephanie McMahon announces that a tournament has been set up to determine Smackdown tag team champions.
- On Raw the next week, the name of the "WWE Tag Team Championship" is changed to "World Tag Team Championship".
- Jericho/Christian def. Hurricane/Kane for WORLD Tag titles.
- Benoit/Angle def Edge/Mysterio to become the "first-ever" WWE Tag champions.

That is why the lineage is different. The world tag belts, have the old WWWF/WWF/WWE lineage because they were the same belts being used.

The Smackdown version is the WWE tag title, and has no lineage from before Angle/Benoit because they are totally different belts.

[PrimeTyme]

just end the non sense that is the brand spilt so that we can go back to using only 3 belts where nobody will get confused.