Which Orton world title reign sucked less?

[skiller]

It's come to my attention that generally when you combine Randy Orton with a World Title you get a reign that generally tends to suck or blow (sometimes both) due to a combination of issues.

With his latest reign over in an uneventful fashion we have to ask ourselves a serious question. That question being; is it possible for Orton to hold the belt a make people care about what he's doing at the same time? Personally I don't know. But I have to say the company really seems really good at botching him over.

So out of all of Randy's generally forgettable reigns, which one was the best?

[Rorschach]

I can't really remember any of them, to be honest. Mission accomplished, WWE. You've created a heel so vanilla and unmemorable that his reigns are long forgotten not ten minutes after they end.

[primetime110]

To be fair, Who has had a memorable reign lately? Next month this thread will be about punk. Whoever defeats punk, That next month it will be a thread for that guy.

I'm going with his 3rd reign.

[Jimmy]

Frankly, I think they gave him the ball in 07-08 and he just didn't do much with it. He wasn't a bad champion but he didn't light the world on fire or seem like a breath of fresh air like Edge did.

[Rorschach]

Jun 8, 2009 0:21:18 GMT -5 primetime110 said:

To be fair, Who has had a memorable reign lately? Next month this thread will be about punk. Whoever defeats punk, That next month it will be a thread for that guy.

I'm going with his 3rd reign.

That's a very good point...but I'm going to have to say that Edge's reign was pretty memorable, for what it was. Of the two champions, if they were going to get the belt off of Edge....Orton should have retained. Batista...I know they've had him skunked out of the title a couple times now, but that doesn't mean he should have won it here. I mean, what OTHER credible heels are out there for him to face on RAW right now? NONE. Orton could have at least had MVP lined up...or I guess even Cena.

Heck, John might just be Batista's first challenger.

[animalboy]

Face run!

[skiller]

Jun 8, 2009 0:21:18 GMT -5 primetime110 said:

To be fair, Who has had a memorable reign lately? Next month this thread will be about punk. Whoever defeats punk, That next month it will be a thread for that guy.

I'm going with his 3rd reign.

Hmm.

Well you got me there. But the key term here is "lately". Lately there have been a scarce few title reigns that leave any memorable imprint in people's minds.

But with Orton we're also talking about reigns that go back further and still don't really leave any positive memories. I can't really think of any other guy who can say all their runs were unmemorable.

THe problem with Orton specifically is that he'll usually win the belt in a big way. Then afterward it and he just seem to fade out of focus. It's either him being beaten up on a weekly basis and looking unusually weak. Or he just fails to inspire any long lasting emotions from what he says and does.

I really can't think of anyone else in a similar position of winning and just failing to live up to the hype every time.

[primetime110]

Jun 8, 2009 0:34:45 GMT -5 @skiller said:

Jun 8, 2009 0:21:18 GMT -5 primetime110 said:

To be fair, Who has had a memorable reign lately? Next month this thread will be about punk. Whoever defeats punk, That next month it will be a thread for that guy.

I'm going with his 3rd reign.

Hmm.

Well you got me there. But the key term here is "lately". Lately there have been a scarce few title reigns that leave any memorable imprint in people's minds.

But with Orton we're also talking about reigns that go back further and still don't really leave any positive memories. I can't really think of any other guy who can say all their runs were unmemorable.

THe problem with Orton specifically is that he'll usually win the belt in a big way. Then afterward it and he just seem to fade out of focus. It's either him being beaten up on a weekly basis and looking unusually weak. Or he just fails to inspire any long lasting emotions from what he says and does.

I really can't think of anyone else in a similar position of winning and just failing to live up to the hype every time.

I don't want to think I was trying to call you out with my post, It may have came off that way, But I think you know what I was trying to shoot for. lol.

Its odd you bring that up. One of my threads I made when I first joined here (still the best damn wrestling board) was it seems Orton is on fire when he is chasing the title, But then seems content when he has it. Which is odd because its usually the face who is on fire chasing the title.

I just can't put my finger on whats missing after he wins the title besides being content being the champ and doesn't continue to take it to another level once he is champ.

Hope that made some sense.

[Rorschach]

What's missing is the "yen" to his "yang" if you weeeel...young master Orton just doesn't have that eternal nemesis who is constantly provoking his ire, and neither does he have that babyface he can punk out to the great chagrin of all the fans. Hunter was a 'superman' type character....so is Batista. Orton has never been made to look anywhere near as dominant as those two.

[skiller]

Jun 8, 2009 0:57:23 GMT -5 primetime110 said:

Jun 8, 2009 0:34:45 GMT -5 @skiller said:

Hmm.

Well you got me there. But the key term here is "lately". Lately there have been a scarce few title reigns that leave any memorable imprint in people's minds.

But with Orton we're also talking about reigns that go back further and still don't really leave any positive memories. I can't really think of any other guy who can say all their runs were unmemorable.

THe problem with Orton specifically is that he'll usually win the belt in a big way. Then afterward it and he just seem to fade out of focus. It's either him being beaten up on a weekly basis and looking unusually weak. Or he just fails to inspire any long lasting emotions from what he says and does.

I really can't think of anyone else in a similar position of winning and just failing to live up to the hype every time.

I don't want to think I was trying to call you out with my post, It may have came off that way, But I think you know what I was trying to shoot for. lol.

Its odd you bring that up. One of my threads I made when I first joined here (still the best damn wrestling board) was it seems Orton is on fire when he is chasing the title, But then seems content when he has it. Which is odd because its usually the face who is on fire chasing the title.

I just can't put my finger on whats missing after he wins the title besides being content being the champ and doesn't continue to take it to another level once he is champ.

Hope that made some sense.

I didn't think you were. I was just expanding on my opinion of his situation.

But yeah I agree with that. He just doesn't seem able to pull off the brand figurehead role of champion too well.

[skiller]

Jun 8, 2009 1:01:40 GMT -5 Rorschach said:

What's missing is the "yen" to his "yang" if you weeeel...young master Orton just doesn't have that eternal nemesis who is constantly provoking his ire, and neither does he have that babyface he can punk out to the great chagrin of all the fans. Hunter was a 'superman' type character....so is Batista. Orton has never been made to look anywhere near as dominant as those two.

Yeah I think the closest to that is currently Triple H.

But those two just don't really inspire a lot of excitement together.

I can't really think of anyone off the top of my head who could pull off the position too well. It could just be an issue with Orton's current character as a whole. He just doesn't seem to mesh with anyone else. The monotone speech and slow promo delivery does him no favours.

[Rorschach]

Jun 8, 2009 1:08:41 GMT -5 @skiller said:

Jun 8, 2009 1:01:40 GMT -5 Rorschach said:

What's missing is the "yen" to his "yang" if you weeeel...young master Orton just doesn't have that eternal nemesis who is constantly provoking his ire, and neither does he have that babyface he can punk out to the great chagrin of all the fans. Hunter was a 'superman' type character....so is Batista. Orton has never been made to look anywhere near as dominant as those two.

Yeah I think the closest to that is currently Triple H.

But those two just don't really inspire a lot of excitement together.

I can't really think of anyone off the top of my head who could pull off the position too well. It could just be an issue with Orton's current character as a whole. He just doesn't seem to mesh with anyone else. The monotone speech and slow promo delivery does him no favours.

Very true. He either needs to work on his promos or get a mouthpiece manager like Bill Alfonso, or heck even someone like Estrada, someone who speak FOR Orton because Orton considers himself too good to address the "lowlife" commoners in the crowd.

Randy Orton + "super-agent" manager = better promos.

[Mecca]

Orton just isn't a memorable character plus he's booked to look pretty awful so you put those 2 things together.

He's not good enough to carry guys through matches or deliver outstanding promos so everything ends up meh.

[Professor Chaos]

#2 was the best of the bunch. And why the hell was the bow wow wow thread locked? I'm pissed now.

[Jay Carroll]

To me, Orton's title reigns fall flat due to either him looking like a bitch throughout (Reign 1, 2, and 4 all suffered from this) or lack of a good feud/feuding partner (Reign 3 kinda suffered from this. Started strong with HBK, shoehorned Jericho in just to push him into a JBL feud, then when we should have gotten a decent Cena/Orton feud they put Trips in, which tripped up the feud)

I still say Orton's best title feud was the one with Cena from Summer-Fall 07. And he wasn't even champ for that...

[Deleted]

Third one. I'm really not a huge Orton fan anyway, but at least that one had plenty of length and got some decent matches throughout. His first reign was a mess, especially given that they pulled the plug on it far too early for it to do Orton any good whatsoever, while his second is best off forgotten. As for this most recent reign, ever since Orton won it he did nothing but get himself and his teammates beaten up by old men and Batista.

[Rorschach]

Jun 8, 2009 3:17:42 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Third one. I'm really not a huge Orton fan anyway, but at least that one had plenty of length and got some decent matches throughout. His first reign was a mess, especially given that they pulled the plug on it far too early for it to do Orton any good whatsoever, while his second is best off forgotten. As for this most recent reign, ever since Orton won it he did nothing but get himself and his teammates beaten up by old men and Batista.

Kind of strange to think of Hunter as one of the "old guys" now....where did the time go?

[EJS]

I will never forget him being awarded the title then losing it 20 minutes later.

[Drink Up Me Cider]

I think Randy does deserve a bit of let off because of crap-tastic writing. I mean how can any champion look credible when at the end of every Raw and, occasional PPV win, he has to run around like a headless chicken, trying to escape from forty year old men?

It's insulting and yes his promos are not incredible but he's a good wrestler with a good following and in all his feuds he's just been told to wuss it up and let Shane, Dave, Cena, Michaels, Triple H chase him, and then it turns into the ending of the Benny Hill show, it's terrible.

[faceinyourcrowd]

just to throw this out there...his IC reign during the whole legend killer gimmick was pretty great.