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Post by erisi236 on Aug 4, 2009 18:03:20 GMT -5
I've always wondered this since I first read the book and then the movie came out and made me wonder even more. I strongly suspect that both Eddie Blake/The Comedian and Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias are enhanced humans or super soldier type guys akin to Captain America, not really as powerful as Captain America but certainly more powerful then the average costumed hero of that world who are kind of like Batman, just really talented normal people. I know it's never shown or told outright, but there are a lot of hints that they both are, especially Adrian with his amazing speed, strength and bullet catching.  Watching the movie makes me think that Zack Snyder believes the same given the fight scenes involving the two of them. Am I off my rocker?  |
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Aug 4, 2009 18:10:36 GMT -5
I've always wondered this since I first read the book and then the movie came out and made me wonder even more. I strongly suspect that both Eddie Blake/The Comedian and Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias are enhanced humans or super soldier type guys akin to Captain America, not really as powerful as Captain America but certainly more powerful then the average costumed hero of that world who are kind of like Batman, just really talented normal people. I know it's never shown or told outright, but there are a lot of hints that they both are, especially Adrian with his amazing speed, strength and bullet catching. Watching the movie makes me think that Zack Snyder believes the same given the fight scenes involving the two of them. Am I off my rocker? No. I can see that being possible, especially in the film. |
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Post by Grendel on Aug 4, 2009 18:12:54 GMT -5
I've always wondered this since I first read the book and then the movie came out and made me wonder even more. I strongly suspect that both Eddie Blake/The Comedian and Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias are enhanced humans or super soldier type guys akin to Captain America, not really as powerful as Captain America but certainly more powerful then the average costumed hero of that world who are kind of like Batman, just really talented normal people. I know it's never shown or told outright, but there are a lot of hints that they both are, especially Adrian with his amazing speed, strength and bullet catching. Watching the movie makes me think that Zack Snyder believes the same given the fight scenes involving the two of them. Am I off my rocker? No. I can see that being possible, especially in the film. I concur. |
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Post by KingPopper on Aug 4, 2009 18:34:06 GMT -5
I was gonna ask this same question.
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Post by The Tank on Aug 4, 2009 18:38:13 GMT -5
Well, if Adrian really is the smartest man in the world, he probably did it to himself.
But I can certainly buy The Comedian as a "super-soldier".
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Aug 4, 2009 18:43:17 GMT -5
The story with Adrian that I read was the he was so smart he was able to tap into the motor function part of his brain and could make himself faster and stronger just by thinking about it, hence why he was able to gorilla press a 280lb man. I dig this theory.
Comedian, I have no clue.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Aug 4, 2009 18:44:39 GMT -5
The Comedian is definitely not. In the issue detailing Ozymandias' plans, Veidt says of Blake "I studied his limitations. Skillful feint, devastating uppercut, little else.."
In fact, he only kills Blake because Blake happened to stumble across the island they created the monster on. If Blake was a "super-soldier", I'm sure Veidt would've planned for him more meticulously.
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Post by jobber2thestars on Aug 4, 2009 19:11:11 GMT -5
I doubt either man had gone through any sort of Captain American type genetic experiment. What I do think, is that both men trained themeslves to be in the top physical condition humanly possible.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 4, 2009 19:21:06 GMT -5
Wasn't Ozy pretty much iffy on the whole catching a bullet thing until it actually happened?
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Post by Mehe is F'n hardcore. on Aug 4, 2009 19:56:36 GMT -5
Wasn't Ozy pretty much iffy on the whole catching a bullet thing until it actually happened? He wasn't. I think there's a line in the graphic novel saying he wasn't sure that it'd work. I'd check but it's way across the room and i'm lazy. |
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Post by Lupin the Third on Aug 4, 2009 20:56:47 GMT -5
Wasn't Ozy pretty much iffy on the whole catching a bullet thing until it actually happened? He wasn't. I think there's a line in the graphic novel saying he wasn't sure that it'd work. I'd check but it's way across the room and i'm lazy. Chapter 12, Page 9. Nite Owl: Rorschach, he's kidding you. His story it's full of holes..... Adrian, your assassination attempt: You couldn't have planned it! What if he'd shot you first instead of your secretary? Veidt: I suppose I'd have had to catch the bullet, wouldn't I? Nite Owl: You....? Nahh come on. That's completely.... You couldn't really do that? *Veidt just smirks.* |
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Post by livetowin on Aug 4, 2009 21:12:55 GMT -5
Personally I think of the Comedian as sorta like Big Boss, from the Metal Gear Solid series. Seen enough action to really become the greatest soldier to live.
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Post by Cela on Aug 4, 2009 21:19:00 GMT -5
Would make sense. Makes them beating the livign hell out of groups of people more believable.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Aug 4, 2009 21:24:30 GMT -5
The story with Adrian that I read was the he was so smart he was able to tap into the motor function part of his brain and could make himself faster and stronger just by thinking about it, hence why he was able to gorilla press a 280lb man. I dig this theory. Comedian, I have no clue. So, Ozymandias just thinks himself stronger!? AWESOME! As for The Comedian, I'm sure he had some chemical enhancements. I mean, he worked for the government. I'm sure they gave him a helping hand in the bulking up department. |
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Aug 4, 2009 21:26:22 GMT -5
Well, in general, superheroes seem to be tougher than the average human, even when no reason exists for it. Take Vigilante. The guy is basically a guy with guns dressed as a cowboy, but he's allowed in the Justice Leauge on Unlimited.
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Post by Cela on Aug 4, 2009 21:28:52 GMT -5
Well, in general, superheroes seem to be tougher than the average human, even when no reason exists for it. Take Vigilante. The guy is basically a guy with guns dressed as a cowboy, but he's allowed in the Justice Leauge on Unlimited. He has a mask, and a hat. What more do you need? |
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Aug 4, 2009 21:34:12 GMT -5
He wasn't. I think there's a line in the graphic novel saying he wasn't sure that it'd work. I'd check but it's way across the room and i'm lazy. Chapter 12, Page 9. Nite Owl: Rorschach, he's kidding you. His story it's full of holes..... Adrian, your assassination attempt: You couldn't have planned it! What if he'd shot you first instead of your secretary? Veidt: I suppose I'd have had to catch the bullet, wouldn't I? Nite Owl: You....? Nahh come on. That's completely.... You couldn't really do that? *Veidt just smirks.* In the novel after Laurie shoots him and he catches it, immediately after he subtracts John's intrinsic field, he gets up saying "That's another thing I wasn't sure would work ....." So he was pretty much gambling by doing that, one that paid off. As the guy above me said Comedian was just a great soldier, probably the best in the world, but completely human. Same deal with Ozy, except him being the smartest guy alive allowed him to exploit the body's physical limits. It's even said Comedian beat Adrian in an earlier fight, but Veidt learned his technique and by the time he went to go kill Comedian he (Blake) was already a cracked man. |
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Aug 4, 2009 23:11:17 GMT -5
Well, in general, superheroes seem to be tougher than the average human, even when no reason exists for it. Take Vigilante. The guy is basically a guy with guns dressed as a cowboy, but he's allowed in the Justice Leauge on Unlimited. He has a mask, and a hat. What more do you need? " A cape? I was thinking of his work in the Heart of Darkness episode. You know, where the Army (guys with guns) has trouble with containing the nanobot menace, so the justice leauge sends, Crimson Avenger, Hourman, Huntress, Wildcat, Dr. Cox and Vigilante. I suppose I should be happy Crimson Fox and Gypsy didn't show up. I call it Action Figure Syndrome, after watching enough 80s cartoons where the Autobot/Thundercat/Eternian/GI Joes consist of ten guys with specialized costumes, instead of marshalling an legion to settle the matter. Seriously, Skeletor has like what, Ten guys? It's not like Ox-Man or Man At Arms, or Mechaneck are one of a kind soldiers. Levy troops, build a Sister Ray and attack! Even Star Wars had armies! |
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Post by Dynamic Dude Johnny on Aug 5, 2009 0:46:45 GMT -5
The Watchmen characters were originaly the Charelston comic characters(who DC comics aquired). When Alan Moore came up with the idea for Watchmen using the Charelston characters DC comics said no, but said he could use "versions" of the characters. So Ozymandias was a "version" of the Peter Cannon "Thuderbolt' Character. Cannon was basicly the Flash of the Charelston universe. Cannon had perfected his mind and body to such an extent through thought,meditation and exercise/diet. In the old Charelston universe Cannon could run at superspeed like the Flash(thus the Thunderbolt nickname). Moore toned down the superspeed aspect of the chacter but the kept the slightly superhuman powers due to meditation,exercise his own will power.
the origins for characters who used similar means for improving themselvs go back late 1930,s and 1940,s. A world war two superspeed based hero named Jhonny Quick gained his superspeed powers by eating a vitamin/food supliment of his own design and focusing on a mathmatical formula in order to gain his ability. The pulp novel hero Doc Savage was also a character who became a great hero through study of old texts and self improvment.
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Post by Rorschach on Aug 6, 2009 15:31:58 GMT -5
It's funny, but when a couple of my friends (who haven't read the graphic novel) were watching the movie, they were both rooting for Rorschach to kick the hell out of Veidt. They were of the opinion that Rorschach was "like Batman" and "should be able to kick the hell out of the wimpy blonde".
I had to laugh out loud at BOTH of those statements.
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