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Post by donners on Dec 29, 2008 16:53:02 GMT -5
He is irresponsible, but if you did tear your hamstring and biceps in the run of 6 months, unless you had to horrible luck to be hit by a physical object that would tear those muscles, then yeah, you probably would be taking steroids. There's a possibility you have really really bad luck, but it looks more like steroid abuse when muscles tear frequently. There is an AFL player who suffered ten hamstring tears in a couple of years, none of them impact injuries. He was subject to comprehensive drug testing and steroid use is virtually unknown in the spot. He was simply prone to muscle injuries. Many people are.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 29, 2008 19:34:35 GMT -5
He is irresponsible, but if you did tear your hamstring and biceps in the run of 6 months, unless you had to horrible luck to be hit by a physical object that would tear those muscles, then yeah, you probably would be taking steroids. There's a possibility you have really really bad luck, but it looks more like steroid abuse when muscles tear frequently. There is an AFL player who suffered ten hamstring tears in a couple of years, none of them impact injuries. He was subject to comprehensive drug testing and steroid use is virtually unknown in the spot. He was simply prone to muscle injuries. Many people are. Agreed. After the first tear, which CAN happen, it will tear easier the next time around.
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Post by Man Hating Horace on Dec 29, 2008 20:23:54 GMT -5
Question about the game: can wrestlers face off against or tag with themselves? If this is the case, then it somewhat makes more sense for Suicide to go the way of the Black Scorpion.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 29, 2008 20:40:55 GMT -5
So if I tear my hamstring and tear a bicep within 6 months, does this mean I'm on steroids? Not trying to start an argument here, but unless Alvarez physically saw Kaz take something, he's off base and should issue an apology. It's so irresponsible. He acts like he's a journalist when he's no different than all the writers on the NEWZ sites. Muscle tears do not happen that frequently as a result of natural wear and tear. Most muscle tear injuries in the wrestling business are a direct result of steroid/HGH use, so it's not a great leap to make to think that these injuries are drug-related, particularly so close together. And of all the people to get up in arms about 'steroid' accusations, you pick Kaz? And of all the people to question their credibility, you pick Alvarez, one of the more clued up wrestling journalists? Give me a break "Are a direct result of steroid/HGH use"? Really I mean being an athlete in a hiugh impact sports activity couldn't do it? Or maybe having had the same injury couldn't possibily make your muscles/tendons/ligaments more prone if you rush back to work? Vince tore both quads because he didn't stretch and did a run in. I mean dude these things happen.
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 29, 2008 21:16:39 GMT -5
Muscle tears do not happen that frequently as a result of natural wear and tear. Most muscle tear injuries in the wrestling business are a direct result of steroid/HGH use, so it's not a great leap to make to think that these injuries are drug-related, particularly so close together. And of all the people to get up in arms about 'steroid' accusations, you pick Kaz? And of all the people to question their credibility, you pick Alvarez, one of the more clued up wrestling journalists? Give me a break "Are a direct result of steroid/HGH use"? Really I mean being an athlete in a hiugh impact sports activity couldn't do it? Or maybe having had the same injury couldn't possibily make your muscles/tendons/ligaments more prone if you rush back to work? Vince tore both quads because he didn't stretch and did a run in. I mean dude these things happen. Yeah, they happen. They also happen far more frequently as a result of Steroid/HGH use and abuse because the body is not able to naturally cope with the strain. And the truth of the matter is that yes, most of - NOT all muscle tears in wrestling have occurred because of wrestlers being on the gas, especially those that come within short periods of each other. So no, it's not out of the realm of possibility that these things 'just happen', but they don't 'just happen' all that regularly. If these kind of injuries did happen regularly it short succession not as a result of steroids/HGH, it's probably because the dude's an idiot who didn't let it heal properly, in which case he was asking to get re-injured.
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Post by Brian Fantana on Dec 29, 2008 21:37:59 GMT -5
I love how people are trying to make it seem like Bryan Alvarez is on a personal mission to kill TNA....He was simply stating that a injure of BOTH biceps at the same is kinda suspicious ......He has said the same things about Rey Mysterio,Triple H,and Bautista
I am a casual subscriber to the F4W website and listen to a lot of the old and new radio shows that they produce and he does give TNA a lot of flack but he also does the same with all of the WWE and UFC shows....
People just get all up in arms when someone like Lance Storm or Bryan Alvarez say some about TNA. People don't want to look at it with an open mind all they do is turn around and burry the people blindly without reading or listening to anything else that person has to say.
I don't watch TNA because I think they just book the show so badly but that doesn't mean I don't want them to do better because I think that competition makes any thing better....and I think that many wrestling "journalists"/ dirt sheet writers feel the same way...
Sorry for the long diatribe I just think it is crazy the way people just bury there head in the ground and just attack instead of thinking
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 29, 2008 21:44:56 GMT -5
He is irresponsible, but if you did tear your hamstring and biceps in the run of 6 months, unless you had to horrible luck to be hit by a physical object that would tear those muscles, then yeah, you probably would be taking steroids. There's a possibility you have really really bad luck, but it looks more like steroid abuse when muscles tear frequently. There is an AFL player who suffered ten hamstring tears in a couple of years, none of them impact injuries. He was subject to comprehensive drug testing and steroid use is virtually unknown in the spot. He was simply prone to muscle injuries. Many people are. Again, he could be just really unlucky. But it still doesn't take away from the fact that frequent muscles tears can result from steroid abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2008 22:35:06 GMT -5
Get Shark Boy to be Suicide.
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Post by rawthentic on Dec 30, 2008 0:29:37 GMT -5
I love how people are trying to make it seem like Bryan Alvarez is on a personal mission to kill TNA....He was simply stating that a injure of BOTH biceps at the same is kinda suspicious ......He has said the same things about Rey Mysterio,Triple H,and Bautista I am a casual subscriber to the F4W website and listen to a lot of the old and new radio shows that they produce and he does give TNA a lot of flack but he also does the same with all of the WWE and UFC shows.... People just get all up in arms when someone like Lance Storm or Bryan Alvarez say some about TNA. People don't want to look at it with an open mind all they do is turn around and burry the people blindly without reading or listening to anything else that person has to say. I don't watch TNA because I think they just book the show so badly but that doesn't mean I don't want them to do better because I think that competition makes any thing better....and I think that many wrestling "journalists"/ dirt sheet writers feel the same way... Sorry for the long diatribe I just think it is crazy the way people just bury there head in the ground and just attack instead of thinking I've read just about every post in this thread, and i have yet to see anybody say anything about Alvarez trying to "bury" TNA or any reason for TNA non fans to get defensive and offer an explanation to why they don't like TNA. People arent upset about Alvarez dislike for TNA, i peronally didnt even know he didnt like TNA untill your post... People think that jumping to the conclusion that Kaz was doing drugs is wrong. It may be true, but Alvarez still has no proof of that. I don't think it right when he immediatley pins the steroids tag on anybody who tears a muscle, i mention earlier in this thread that it was wrong to tag Batista's injury as steroid related, even if it was, you have no proof, so don't report is like it's fact by saying that the wellness policy isnt doing it's job.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 30, 2008 14:02:54 GMT -5
I don't mean to say that it isn't steroids in this case. I am sure that frequent re-injuries can be attributed to steroid use. What I dislike in any athletic endevour, is when someone is doing well they go right for the steroid accusation. I'm not talking about this thread or Kaz for the duration of this post so don't get confused. Barry Bonds no matter what he does for the rest of his life will never be trusted. Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa, McGuire all of whom rescued baseball from the 1994 players strike by making the game entertaining. Then baseball turned on them so as not to seem conplicit in the players Alleged steroid use. After the Benoit murders the spotlight on wrestling and steroids came back huge and the companies had to scramble to cover thier behind's so they started "testing" or wellness programs. This makes it harder not impossible but harder to get away with it. Since all of this came to pass everybody wants to say that this guy or that guy must be using. Without proof there exists no truth. So until they test positive or get caught red handed using or covering it up both Barry Bonds and Kaz are inocent
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