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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 29, 2008 21:49:39 GMT -5
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Nov 29, 2008 22:11:16 GMT -5
I have to admit, I didn't see that coming.
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Post by BlackJackRobby on Nov 30, 2008 0:10:44 GMT -5
Jacques Rougeau must have been the nicest person backstage to get this.
I remember this was during the height of the nWo aswell, and it was during the year and a half that the only losses Hogan had were Piper, Luger, and Sting.
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Post by BRAINFADE on Nov 30, 2008 6:56:18 GMT -5
When the hell did THIS happen?!!
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Post by Naniwa on Nov 30, 2008 6:59:05 GMT -5
From Wiki:
In 1997, Jacques joined a select few when he cleanly defeated Hulk Hogan in a singles match in the Bell Centre in Montreal. Hogan insisted that he lose to Jacques, citing his deep respect for the Rougeau family. Rougeau's pinfall victory was rarely referenced by WCW in order to protect Hogan's image.
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Post by FrankGotch on Nov 30, 2008 7:12:51 GMT -5
What an ass using his political pull to put a guy who didn't deserve that kind of win over, and I bet he only did it to stroke his own ego. That big orange goblin makes me sick.
edited for the very slow (SARCSIM)
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 30, 2008 7:41:52 GMT -5
The Mountie ALWAYS gets his man!
Anyway, in his shoot, Jacques didn't see it coming either. Jacques was booking the show, and Hogan suggested he go over. It was a thank you to him, as they had been working together for 10 years in different companies. He told him the most important match on the card was always the first match, and Jacques was in so many first matches when Hogan was on top that made Hulk's job easier that he wanted to thank him, and did so by putting him over clean.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 30, 2008 8:01:00 GMT -5
So Hogan had this vision of clarity and humility that lasted one entire match? BS.
This has been posted elsewhere, where it was suggested that at the time, Hogan was either POed with Bischoff or in the middle of a power play and did this to spite Bischoff. He may have told Jacques whatever the reason was, but I'm leaning more towards this being the real reason. Plus, this pretty much got Jacques and Pierre de-pushed and shown the door in WCW.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 30, 2008 8:18:47 GMT -5
So Hogan had this vision of clarity and humility that lasted one entire match? BS. This has been posted elsewhere, where it was suggested that at the time, Hogan was either POed with Bischoff or in the middle of a power play and did this to spite Bischoff. He may have told Jacques whatever the reason was, but I'm leaning more towards this being the real reason. Plus, this pretty much got Jacques and Pierre de-pushed and shown the door in WCW. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but it just sounds like you dislike the guy more than anything really. And it's not like the two were getting a big push anyways before this even took place. They probably had a handful of matches on Nitro that year and were basically regulars on Saturday Night and the Pro. As for this "moment of clarity", Hogan has helped out plenty of wrestlers when he didn't have to, but I guess it's ok for people to forget since he's not got the "workrate" others do. Honestly he didn't even have to do that as this was at the height of the nWo's popularity and he was the hottest heel at the time. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 30, 2008 8:22:42 GMT -5
No, not at all. Has nothing to do with liking or disliking Hogan, it's just a matter of looking at 25 years worth of his history and seeing how this fits in. Even the most hardened of Hogan fans have to admit it really doesn't.
If he was all for the "putting guys over because of all their hard work and helping out over the years" stuff, why was this the only time he has ever been known to do so?
It just doesn't compute.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 30, 2008 8:24:46 GMT -5
but I guess it's ok for people to forget since he's not got the "workrate" others do. Has nothing to do with that either. In fact, if you've read my posts here regarding Hogan, I've been one of his biggest defenders in terms of him having a hell of a lot more talent than he actually lets on. Go check that worst wrestler poll/countdown thread for example. |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 30, 2008 8:36:21 GMT -5
No, not at all. Has nothing to do with liking or disliking Hogan, it's just a matter of looking at 25 years worth of his history and seeing how this fits in. Even the most hardened of Hogan fans have to admit it really doesn't. If he was all for the "putting guys over because of all their hard work and helping out over the years" stuff, why was this the only time he has ever been known to do so? It just doesn't compute. Where exactly does it say that helping his friends equates to letting them beat him in the ring? He's Hulk Hogan, the guy just can't go around and let himself be a Barry Horowitz to anyone and everyone with a pulse to make everyone satisfied. I'm sure Rougeau was just happy to be in the ring against him. In this case,it was a house show and in Rougeau's backyard. No way they could bring this up on WCW TV as Rougeau was nothing more than a midcarder and Hogan was feuding with the likes of Luger and the Giant who are maineventers. How do we know that Hogan didn't do it as a favor to Rougeau? Honestly, I was never one to buy into backstage news/gossip all that much, no matter who the person was. But that's my take on it. |
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Post by KimberlyPagesBoyToy on Nov 30, 2008 12:07:10 GMT -5
Sucks that you had to hear some know it all fan in the background call the finishing of the match before it happened though.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Nov 30, 2008 13:02:40 GMT -5
No, not at all. Has nothing to do with liking or disliking Hogan, it's just a matter of looking at 25 years worth of his history and seeing how this fits in. Even the most hardened of Hogan fans have to admit it really doesn't. If he was all for the "putting guys over because of all their hard work and helping out over the years" stuff, why was this the only time he has ever been known to do so? It just doesn't compute. Where exactly does it say that helping his friends equates to letting them beat him in the ring? He's Hulk Hogan, the guy just can't go around and let himself be a Barry Horowitz to anyone and everyone with a pulse to make everyone satisfied. I'm sure Rougeau was just happy to be in the ring against him. In this case,it was a house show and in Rougeau's backyard. No way they could bring this up on WCW TV as Rougeau was nothing more than a midcarder and Hogan was feuding with the likes of Luger and the Giant who are maineventers. How do we know that Hogan didn't do it as a favor to Rougeau? Honestly, I was never one to buy into backstage news/gossip all that much, no matter who the person was. But that's my take on it. You know, I always agree with yourt posts as they seem the most rational and this is no different. As an establish main eventer, Hogan needs to stay dominant in almost every case. If he lost all the time, it wouldn't look good knowing his track record. Plus, him putting over career mid-carder in his hometown was intended to be and rightfully so a shocker. He also put Kidman over several times and most fans still don't give a crap about him. |
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Post by prodigy on Nov 30, 2008 20:03:35 GMT -5
So Hogan had this vision of clarity and humility that lasted one entire match? BS. This has been posted elsewhere, where it was suggested that at the time, Hogan was either POed with Bischoff or in the middle of a power play and did this to spite Bischoff. He may have told Jacques whatever the reason was, but I'm leaning more towards this being the real reason. Plus, this pretty much got Jacques and Pierre de-pushed and shown the door in WCW. Wow, who to believe here? Jacques Rougeau himself or Madison Carter? Tough one. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 1, 2008 3:02:22 GMT -5
So Hogan had this vision of clarity and humility that lasted one entire match? BS. This has been posted elsewhere, where it was suggested that at the time, Hogan was either POed with Bischoff or in the middle of a power play and did this to spite Bischoff. He may have told Jacques whatever the reason was, but I'm leaning more towards this being the real reason. Plus, this pretty much got Jacques and Pierre de-pushed and shown the door in WCW. Wow, who to believe here? Jacques Rougeau himself or Madison Carter? Tough one. Y'know, that whole "don't be a dick to other posters" rule we have applies towards talking to us as well. Consider this you're only warning on that subject. For the record though, what I stated? That's called an "opinion." I personally - IN MY OPINION - do not believe Hogan did it for the reasons cited. He may very well have told that to Jacques, but - IN MY OPINION - I don't think it adds up. Name one other time in the past two and a half decades, and I'm not just referring to jobbing to them, that Hogan did anything of this nature simply because someone opened on the cards he worked. That's all I'm getting at. Sure, Hogan may have had a brief one-day daliance with converting to sainthood. I - IN MY OPINION - just simply don't buy it. |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 1, 2008 13:16:08 GMT -5
Wow, who to believe here? Jacques Rougeau himself or Madison Carter? Tough one. Y'know, that whole "don't be a dick to other posters" rule we have applies towards talking to us as well. Consider this you're only warning on that subject. For the record though, what I stated? That's called an "opinion." I personally - IN MY OPINION - do not believe Hogan did it for the reasons cited. He may very well have told that to Jacques, but - IN MY OPINION - I don't think it adds up. Name one other time in the past two and a half decades, and I'm not just referring to jobbing to them, that Hogan did anything of this nature simply because someone opened on the cards he worked. That's all I'm getting at. Sure, Hogan may have had a brief one-day daliance with converting to sainthood. I - IN MY OPINION - just simply don't buy it. As I've mentioned in other posts, he's done things such as fly out to Oregon on his own dime for the opening of Billy Jack Haynes' gym and Haynes says that he was appreciative of that as Hogan didn't have to do that. Stevie Ray mentions that how Hogan helped Harlem Heat get a raise in WCW and they weren't even close to Hogan like Beefcake or Knobbs were. Rick Martel talks about how Hogan helped to get Tom Zenk a car when they were tagging together. Doesn't seem like this evil guy that people would have you believe, but to each their own. As for wrestling, he's Hulk Hogan, arguably the biggest name in wrestling, he can't afford to be losing every week just to satisfy everyone. From most shoots, guys were just happy to work against him as that was more money in their pockets, the outcome meant nothing. |
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 1, 2008 13:23:30 GMT -5
Y'know, that whole "don't be a dick to other posters" rule we have applies towards talking to us as well. Consider this you're only warning on that subject. For the record though, what I stated? That's called an "opinion." I personally - IN MY OPINION - do not believe Hogan did it for the reasons cited. He may very well have told that to Jacques, but - IN MY OPINION - I don't think it adds up. Name one other time in the past two and a half decades, and I'm not just referring to jobbing to them, that Hogan did anything of this nature simply because someone opened on the cards he worked. That's all I'm getting at. Sure, Hogan may have had a brief one-day daliance with converting to sainthood. I - IN MY OPINION - just simply don't buy it. As I've mentioned in other posts, he's done things such as fly out to Oregon on his own dime for the opening of Billy Jack Haynes' gym and Haynes says that he was appreciative of that as Hogan didn't have to do that. Stevie Ray mentions that how Hogan helped Harlem Heat get a raise in WCW and they weren't even close to Hogan like Beefcake or Knobbs were. Rick Martel talks about how Hogan helped to get Tom Zenk a car when they were tagging together. Doesn't seem like this evil guy that people would have you believe, but to each their own. As for wrestling, he's Hulk Hogan, arguably the biggest name in wrestling, he can't afford to be losing every week just to satisfy everyone. From most shoots, guys were just happy to work against him as that was more money in their pockets, the outcome meant nothing.[/quote] SEE BILLY FREAKIN' KIDMAN!!!!! |
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Post by prodigy on Dec 1, 2008 17:02:16 GMT -5
Wow, who to believe here? Jacques Rougeau himself or Madison Carter? Tough one. Y'know, that whole "don't be a dick to other posters" rule we have applies towards talking to us as well. Consider this you're only warning on that subject. For the record though, what I stated? That's called an "opinion." I personally - IN MY OPINION - do not believe Hogan did it for the reasons cited. He may very well have told that to Jacques, but - IN MY OPINION - I don't think it adds up. Name one other time in the past two and a half decades, and I'm not just referring to jobbing to them, that Hogan did anything of this nature simply because someone opened on the cards he worked. That's all I'm getting at. Sure, Hogan may have had a brief one-day daliance with converting to sainthood. I - IN MY OPINION - just simply don't buy it. How was I being a dick? It's Rougeau's word against yours in a thread directly related to Rougeau. I think he would have more knowledge on Hogan's intentions than you or I would. I'm not a shoot interview expert, but the ones I've seen have generally been favorable towards Hogan (as a person and performer) so I don't see why he can't be given the benefit of the doubt here. He has an ego but that doesn't mean he's immune to being nice to his peers. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 1, 2008 17:13:42 GMT -5
It was more the tone of the way you said it than anything.
Did Jacques say that? Absolutely. Did Hogan tell him that? I don't doubt it. Is that the real reason Hogan did it? I'm not so sure. That's all I'm saying.
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