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Post by mrjl on Jan 1, 2009 23:22:01 GMT -5
It only had six matches, including an hour long Iron Man match that had to go into OT for it's first and only pinfall, even if it was a good match. A match for the tag titles was on the Free For All and it included a squash.
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Post by CM Crünk is teh 'CRAP! on Jan 2, 2009 0:48:45 GMT -5
In my own opinion, the main event saved the PPV from being really bad PPV. I would change up the undercard. The undercard was really lackluster, and Ultimate Warrior burried HHH in that match.
I would have really loved if they built Warrior up to face someone good in a big match, but WWf's roster at the time was so lackluster and the main event scene was HBK, Bret, Diesel, and that was it pretty much.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 2, 2009 1:14:30 GMT -5
couple of things
1. The iminiet depature of Hall & Nash made it hard to book an undercard. Hall was so far in the dog house that he was pulled of the card. One could argue that Razor Ramon v Golddust in a streetfight would have been better than Piper v Golddust, though I think Vince was gonna do the lame OJ White Bronco bit no matter what.
2. The rest of the midcarders weren't all that big in terms of a name draw. Steve Austin was 3 months away from 3:16 and was still managed by Dibase. HHH was a JTTS, or in this case a JTTFS but even had he not jobbed to Warrior he was gonna job to someone. I know that he was supposed to win KOTR a few months later, but that was almost meaningless. With the depleted roster WWF had very few choices of guys to push.
3. I'm to lazy to look this card up but I can't remember anything about the tag scene. Was it Owen/Yoko? In give Owen a match for sure, maybe against Ahmed Johnson, if he was on the roster, I think he may have started after Wreslemania.
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Post by bobolebowski on Jan 2, 2009 1:18:23 GMT -5
Main Event: Shawn Michaels vs Bret Hart- Iron Man Match: Michaels still goes over for the title
Razor Ramon vs Goldust, Street Fight: Goldust goes over, Razor is on his way to WCW, but the match is brutal much like the Backlot Brawl.
Yokozuna vs Vader: Battle of the big men, Vader goes over, as he gets a push for the WWF Title.
The Undertaker vs Mankind: Lets say theoretically Mankind debuts a month earlier, Mankind goes over in the same match these two had at King of the Ring 96.
Jerry Lawler vs Jake Roberts, Same fued just months earlier, setting up for an angle at Mania rather than Summerslam.
Ahmed Johnson vs Diesel, Say what you will about Ahmed, Vince was pushing him to the
moon, he goes over on Diesel as Diesel is going to WCW.
The British Bulldog vs The Ultimate Warrior, The Warrior still goes over, but its not a squash, Power vs Power
Steve Austin vs Savio Vega, Strap Match, fued starts right after the Rumble, pretty much the same fued, but Austin goes over.
Smoking Gunns vs The Godwins, Smoking Gunns go over, Turning Heel in the process.
Justin Hawk Bradshaw, Hunter Hearst Helmsley, and The Body Donnas vs The Godwins, Bob Holly, and the debuting Wildman Marc Mero, who gets the pin on Helmsley, setting up for a summer fued.
Owen Hart vs The 1-2-3 Kid, great techinical match to kick off the show, Owen goes over
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Post by CM Crünk is teh 'CRAP! on Jan 2, 2009 1:21:07 GMT -5
couple of things 1. The iminiet depature of Hall & Nash made it hard to book an undercard. Hall was so far in the dog house that he was pulled of the card. One could argue that Razor Ramon v Golddust in a streetfight would have been better than Piper v Golddust, though I think Vince was gonna do the lame OJ White Bronco bit no matter what. 2. The rest of the midcarders weren't all that big in terms of a name draw. Steve Austin was 3 months away from 3:16 and was still managed by Dibase. HHH was a JTTS, or in this case a JTTFS but even had he not jobbed to Warrior he was gonna job to someone. I know that he was supposed to win KOTR a few months later, but that was almost meaningless. With the depleted roster WWF had very few choices of guys to push. 3. I'm to lazy to look this card up but I can't remember anything about the tag scene. Was it Owen/Yoko? In give Owen a match for sure, maybe against Ahmed Johnson, if he was on the roster, I think he may have started after Wreslemania. Undertaker wrestled Diesel on the card, and the wrestled a 16 minute match, so I wouldn't say he was in the dog house at the time because he was maineventing on the In Your House PPVs. The Bodydonnas won the tag tourney. |
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Post by CM Crünk is teh 'CRAP! on Jan 2, 2009 1:24:04 GMT -5
Main Event: Shawn Michaels vs Bret Hart- Iron Man Match: Michaels still goes over for the title Razor Ramon vs Goldust, Street Fight: Goldust goes over, Razor is on his way to WCW, but the match is brutal much like the Backlot Brawl. Yokozuna vs Vader: Battle of the big men, Vader goes over, as he gets a push for the WWF Title. The Undertaker vs Mankind: Lets say theoretically Mankind debuts a month earlier, Mankind goes over in the same match these two had at King of the Ring 96. Jerry Lawler vs Jake Roberts, Same fued just months earlier, setting up for an angle at Mania rather than Summerslam. Ahmed Johnson vs Diesel, Say what you will about Ahmed, Vince was pushing him to the moon, he goes over on Diesel as Diesel is going to WCW. The British Bulldog vs The Ultimate Warrior, The Warrior still goes over, but its not a squash, Power vs Power Steve Austin vs Savio Vega, Strap Match, fued starts right after the Rumble, pretty much the same fued, but Austin goes over. Smoking Gunns vs The Godwins, Smoking Gunns go over, Turning Heel in the process. Justin Hawk Bradshaw, Hunter Hearst Helmsley, and The Body Donnas vs The Godwins, Bob Holly, and the debuting Wildman Marc Mero, who gets the pin on Helmsley, setting up for a summer fued. Owen Hart vs The 1-2-3 Kid, great techinical match to kick off the show, Owen goes over How would there be build up to the Mankind vs. Taker match? If he just came in there, it would make no sense him wrestling Taker and Taker going over. |
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 2, 2009 15:07:16 GMT -5
couple of things 1. The iminiet depature of Hall & Nash made it hard to book an undercard. Hall was so far in the dog house that he was pulled of the card. One could argue that Razor Ramon v Golddust in a streetfight would have been better than Piper v Golddust, though I think Vince was gonna do the lame OJ White Bronco bit no matter what. 2. The rest of the midcarders weren't all that big in terms of a name draw. Steve Austin was 3 months away from 3:16 and was still managed by Dibase. HHH was a JTTS, or in this case a JTTFS but even had he not jobbed to Warrior he was gonna job to someone. I know that he was supposed to win KOTR a few months later, but that was almost meaningless. With the depleted roster WWF had very few choices of guys to push. 3. I'm to lazy to look this card up but I can't remember anything about the tag scene. Was it Owen/Yoko? In give Owen a match for sure, maybe against Ahmed Johnson, if he was on the roster, I think he may have started after Wreslemania. Undertaker wrestled Diesel on the card, and the wrestled a 16 minute match, so I wouldn't say he was in the dog house at the time because he was maineventing on the In Your House PPVs. The Bodydonnas won the tag tourney. Nash wasn't in the dog house, Hall was. That being said Nash was used to put over Undertaker and Shawn Michaels before he left and he did a good job of it. Neither the less Vince new that both Hall and Nash were leaving when they're contracts were up. Thus Nash was only good to job out to those who were staying. I like the idea of Owen-Kid, but I think Kid on his way out and no desire to turn own Owen face a heel v heel match wouldn't draw the kind of heat I'd want a WM |
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Post by Man Hating Horace on Jan 2, 2009 23:17:12 GMT -5
A match for the tag titles was on the Free For All and it included a squash. What's more, it was the finals of an 8-team tournament. Anyway I'm just going to be lazy and switch everyone around: Free For All: 123 Kid and Savio Vega Vs. British Bulldog and Vader The Undertaker, Owen Hart and Yokozuna Vs. Barry Horowitz and The Bodydonnas Bushwacker Luke Vs. Goldust Bret Hart Vs. Ultimate Warrior Tatanka Vs. Shawn Michaels Hollywood Backlot Brawl: Leif Cassady Vs. Hakushi Iron Man Match: Henry Godwinn Vs. Phineas Godwinn Free For All: Zip and Shawn Michaels Vs. Hakushi and British Bulldog Goldust, Barry Horowitz and Skip Vs. Owen Hart, Phineas Godwinn and Savio Vega Vader Vs. Henry Godwinn Diesel Vs. Yokozuna (for some reason I really wanna see this match now) Bushwacker Butch Vs. Steve Austin Hollywood Backlot Brawl: Bushwacker Luke Vs. Jake Roberts Iron Man Match: Ultimate Warrior Vs. Ahmed Johnson |
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Post by CM Crünk is teh 'CRAP! on Jan 3, 2009 1:24:51 GMT -5
I never understood the point of Warrior in his 1996 run.
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Post by rawthentic on Jan 3, 2009 1:34:30 GMT -5
Ahmed Johnson vs Diesel, Say what you will about Ahmed, Vince was pushing him to the moon, he goes over on Diesel as Diesel is going to WCW. Kevin Nash said in his shoot interview with Scott Hudson that he refused to put over anybody before his departure except for Shawn Michaels. He said that when they asked if he would do the job for the Undertaker he said yes, because he has a lot of respect for Taker "...but anybody else other than those two, screw em" |
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Post by Stu on Jan 3, 2009 1:53:25 GMT -5
I never understood the point of Warrior in his 1996 run. And to this day, a lot of people don't understand Warrior, period! Also, weren't Vader and Yokozuna originally booked in a singles match? I swear that I remember that, and that Owen/Bulldog and Ahmed/Jake were added later. |
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Post by Nacho STAYS Hyped on Jan 3, 2009 2:14:05 GMT -5
Free for All: Ultimate Warrior vs. Hunter Hearst Helmsley (more fans would get to see Warrior's return, and the tag title match would be on the official card)
MATCH 1: Razor Ramon and Savio Vega vs. Steve Austin and Ted DiBiase
DiBiase would be barely used in the match, but he would win by locking in the Million Dollar Dream on Vega. Ramon was in the doghouse, but he should have been on the card. The match would be about 10 minutes long.
MATCH 2: Owen Hart and British Bulldog vs. Jake Roberts and Ahmed Johnson
Jake would win with the DDT on Owen. A short, 5 minute match.
MATCH 3: Yokozuna vs. Vader
A big man match, which would last for 8 minutes. Vader wins.
MATCH 4: Bodydonnas vs. Godwinns
Same as what really happened.
MATCH 5: Undertaker vs. Diesel
Same as what really happened.
MATCH 6: Hollywood Backlot Brawl
Same as before
MAIN EVENT: Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart, Iron Man
Same, but make them have a 2-2 tie before they go into overtime.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Jan 3, 2009 7:24:18 GMT -5
Alright let me see if I could do this:
Free For All: First they show the pretape Huckster/Nacho Man Match but before the match begins the lights go out and a bill collector comes out with a flashlight and flashes it directly on Billionaire Ted and says Ted hasn't been paying his electric bills, so the match is canceled.
Free For All: Battle Royal to determine who would face Golddust for the IC title the following night on Raw it includes: The Bushwhackers, Justin Hawk Bradshaw, Tatanka, 123 Kid, Barry Horowitz, Issac Yankum, Jerry Lawler, Hakushi, Duke Drose, The New Rockers, Fatu, Aldo Montoya, and a debuting Marc Mero
Mero win by eliminating The 123 Kid.
WrestleMania:
British Bulldog vs. Ahmed Johnson typicial power match, Ahmed wins via DQ when Corrnette throws in the racket and Bulldog nails Ahmed with it
Goldust vs. Razor Ramon in a Miami blacklot brawl pretaped in Miami, Roddy Piper is the guest enforcer, Razor beats the crap out of Goldust, to the point where Piper even tries to stop him, eventally police show up and the match stops moral victory for Razor.
Owen Hart vs. Jake "The Snake" Roberts, back and fourth match that sees Jake get the win with the DDT
Tag Team Title final Tournment match: The Godwins vs. The Bodydonna's (same as there free for all match at WM 12)
Vader vs. Yokozuna: Vader has the upper hand until surprisingly the returning Gorilla Monsoon comes out and kos Cornette, Fuji distracts the referee while Gorilla grabs a chair and clocks Vader setting up Yokozuna to finish Vader with the Banzi drop
Million Dollar Title Match: Steve Austin vs. Savio Vega (same as their WM 12 match except the Million Dollar Belt is on the line
The Ultimate Warrior vs. HHH (same as their WM 12 except Hunter states in a interview that that match was actually decent and stops crying that the Warrior was unprofessional)
Diesel vs. Undertaker (same as WM 12 match)
WWE Title Iron Man Match:Michaels vs. Hart (same as their WM12 match however Bret awards Michaels the title ala Hogan and Warrior and passes the torch
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Post by dizzy on Jan 3, 2009 15:27:53 GMT -5
Changes I'd have made (notwithstanding the imminent departures of Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, and Bret Hart)..... MAIN EVENT: Bret keeps the belt after the 60 minute draw. The feud continues for many months after because it had great feud potential and could've consistently drawn business for the company. Think about it: a 60 minute draw proves dominance for neither man, leading to great promos that neither man can prove, and follow up matches and such. ULTIMATE WARRIOR VS HHH: Make this a legitimate match rather than a squash match. Warrior could still win, but HHH wouldn't look so bad, and the match could've been more exicting. TAG TEAM TITLE MATCH: Put it on the card. BACK LOT BRAWL: Change that to an Intercontinental title match between Razor Ramon and Goldust. And keep it off the road, have most of it happen in the actual arena. In fact, make it a hard core match instead. Hall was so far in the dog house that he was pulled of the card. One could argue that Razor Ramon v Golddust in a streetfight would have been better than Piper v Golddust, I read that was the original match, but Razor got injured and couldn't compete on the card, so he was replaced by Piper. The following month he jobbed to Vade at In Your House and that was Hall's last hurrah. Free for All: Ultimate Warrior vs. Hunter Hearst Helmsley (more fans would get to see Warrior's return, and the tag title match would be on the official card) Yeah, but the point of having Warrior on the Pay Per View was that they were counting on PPV buy rates due to his presence. Sales would undoubtedly have gone down if it weren't on the card. |
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Post by doinkmark on Jan 3, 2009 18:05:49 GMT -5
I honestly don't think this card needs much changing, but here's what I'd do:
Savio Vega vs Ringmaster would be on the Free For All. This is WrestleMania, where only big-time matches need to happen. Keep Huckster vs Nacho Man on there too.
I'd have kept Yokozuna vs Vader a singles match, just because I was looking forward to the two monsters battling it out one on one. This would also add more time to the show for another match/WM moment. Maybe a #1 contenders battle royal or some such match just to get everyone on the roster doing something.
Likewise, skip all the OJ reference "comedy" and highway chase back to the arena and use that extra time for the Tag Title Tournament finals.
Like most, I'd have kept Hall versus Goldust on the card. That feud was epic and deserved a proper ending.
Warrior still squashes Hunter.
Undertaker still beats Diesel, but is attacked by Mankind afterward.
Shawn still beats Bret. That false finish made perfect sense for setting up a rematch later on. Too bad Shawn didn't want to play ball.
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Post by mrjl on Jan 3, 2009 18:50:10 GMT -5
Ahmed Johnson vs Diesel, Say what you will about Ahmed, Vince was pushing him to the moon, he goes over on Diesel as Diesel is going to WCW. Kevin Nash said in his shoot interview with Scott Hudson that he refused to put over anybody before his departure except for Shawn Michaels. He said that when they asked if he would do the job for the Undertaker he said yes, because he has a lot of respect for Taker "...but anybody else other than those two, screw em" Really? Then I'd have booked Vader/Diesel and said "Leon, f*** him up." |
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Post by mrjl on Jan 3, 2009 20:45:30 GMT -5
Well, I've finally got some ideas
Free for all: Justin Hawk Bradshaw defeats bart Gunn
Main show
The Bodydonnas defeat the Godwinns to win the vacant tag team titles
Rowdy Roddy Piper defeats Hunter Hearst Helmsley
Piper jsut takes a dislike to Hunter's snobbery
Ringmaster defeats Savio Vega
Vader defeats Yokozuna
Ahmed Johnson and the Ultimate Warrior defeat The British Bulldog and Owen Hart
This ties Johnson to the WWF's previous strongmen and lets the fans wait even longer for Warrior's return as he waits for a hot tag
Goldust defeats Jake "The Snake" Roberts to retain the IC title.
I don't know if Jake's Christian character was establsihed but he should dislike Goldust's manor
The Undertaker defeats Diesel
Shawn Michaels defeats Bret Hart to win the WWF title.
Not an Iron Man match it still goes about a half an hour
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