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Post by knightboat on Jan 22, 2009 0:22:45 GMT -5
So will he just be forgotten after his completely wasted title shot, will he actually be pushed, or will he be a living video game character 8 months from now?
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Post by rawthentic on Jan 22, 2009 0:45:32 GMT -5
Im sure once they waste Homicide's X division title shot, they'll go back to normal.
i was really disgusted by how the Hernandez thing was handled. After Genesis it looked like they were trying to build him as a legit threat but nope.
He uses his "oppurtunity" to get a shot against a fresh Sting, with all the MEM members at ringside and he does not even have Homicide with him. I guess we couldent call Hernandez the ultimate oppurtunist. He wrestles a pretty even match with Sting, while most attention wasent on the match but the MEM on the outside. Sting didnt even take off his MEM shirt for the match. Hernandez isnt anywhere near putting the match away and the MEM beats him up. Thus, Hernadez has no mental edge on Sting because it didnt look like he was going to beat him and they treated him as "just another victim" for the MEM untill of course THE DUDLEYZ saved the day.
Im surprised there wasent that many HERNANDEZ HAS BEEN BURIED posts after that IMPACT!. That was lamer than the Sarah Palin bit...imo
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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 22, 2009 0:58:48 GMT -5
Im sure once they waste Homicide's X division title shot, they'll go back to normal. i was really disgusted by how the Hernandez thing was handled. After Genesis it looked like they were trying to build him as a legit threat but nope. He uses his "oppurtunity" to get a shot against a fresh Sting, with all the MEM members at ringside and he does not even have Homicide with him. I guess we couldent call Hernandez the ultimate oppurtunist. He wrestles a pretty even match with Sting, while most attention wasent on the match but the MEM on the outside. Sting didnt even take off his MEM shirt for the match. Hernandez isnt anywhere near putting the match away and the MEM beats him up. Thus, Hernadez has no mental edge on Sting because it didnt look like he was going to beat him and they treated him as "just another victim" for the MEM untill of course THE DUDLEYZ saved the day. Im surprised there wasent that many HERNANDEZ HAS BEEN BURIED posts after that IMPACT!. That was lamer than the Sarah Palin bit...imo 1. Sting wasn't fresh. 2. Hernandez was going for his finisher before he got interrupted by Booker's shirt.
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Post by rawthentic on Jan 22, 2009 1:39:52 GMT -5
Im sure once they waste Homicide's X division title shot, they'll go back to normal. i was really disgusted by how the Hernandez thing was handled. After Genesis it looked like they were trying to build him as a legit threat but nope. He uses his "oppurtunity" to get a shot against a fresh Sting, with all the MEM members at ringside and he does not even have Homicide with him. I guess we couldent call Hernandez the ultimate oppurtunist. He wrestles a pretty even match with Sting, while most attention wasent on the match but the MEM on the outside. Sting didnt even take off his MEM shirt for the match. Hernandez isnt anywhere near putting the match away and the MEM beats him up. Thus, Hernadez has no mental edge on Sting because it didnt look like he was going to beat him and they treated him as "just another victim" for the MEM untill of course THE DUDLEYZ saved the day. Im surprised there wasent that many HERNANDEZ HAS BEEN BURIED posts after that IMPACT!. That was lamer than the Sarah Palin bit...imo 1. Sting wasn't fresh. 2. Hernandez was going for his finisher before he got interrupted by Booker's shirt. Id say Hernandez going 15 minutes and beating 3 guys at Genesis is more energy consuming than Sting who won a 5 minute match against an injured Rhino. It was done poorly. Considering the match was even, i would find it hard to believe Hernandez would hit his finisher on Sting of all people out of the blue outside interference or not. Kayfabe wise of course. They could have booked it better to make it seem like Hernandez really did have the match in the bag, guys set up finishers all the time early in a match and most of the time, it gets countered. The match was just terrible and a waste. Obviously Hernandez was just swept to the side as soon as he pused the table in the ring. Now Bubba gets to put himself in championship match when Hernandez was obviously cheated out of his shot and they forget it happened that night. No "Hernandez should have won!" no, Hernandez is tearing the locker room apart demanding a rematch. D-Von books himself with Kurt Angle. It looks like even Shane Sewell will get a peice of the first man who interfered in Hernandez match in Booker T. It seemed they just pused Hernandez for the next IMPACT at Genesis. Waste. IMO Im a TNA fan and all, but that bothered me because im a Hernandez fan.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 22, 2009 2:08:28 GMT -5
That's what I didn't like nobody really looked good after that the MEM, looked as per usual dominant, but Hernandez looked like an idiot for asking for a title shot considering the situation
This was also the first time Sting just joined in on the beatdown as opposed to walking away
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Post by Danimal on Jan 22, 2009 2:40:19 GMT -5
I wasn't big on how it was handled but he was hardly buried. MEM interfered and he won via dq.
The big thing will be whether there is a payoff for this or they just drop it and have LAX go back to normal. I would think they must have some upper-card plans for Hernandez. Otherwise this is just a waste of time.
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Post by ICBM on Jan 22, 2009 9:55:06 GMT -5
I ask the fans in here to be patient again. We don't know what thier plans are as pertains to Hernandez. I actually thought the match went well and made him look like a threat to the world title as opposed to a squash. It reminded me of watching old NWA saturday night shows when Flair would fight some underneeth guy and make him look like a threat. Sting did that. Hernandez showed he could work at that level. I don't see a loss here unless they o as you think they will and de-push him
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Post by GaTechGrad on Jan 22, 2009 11:53:39 GMT -5
I think TNA was really just testing the waters to see how fans would react to Hernandez in a main event level match.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 22, 2009 12:11:18 GMT -5
I ask the fans in here to be patient again. We don't know what thier plans are as pertains to Hernandez. I actually thought the match went well and made him look like a threat to the world title as opposed to a squash. It reminded me of watching old NWA saturday night shows when Flair would fight some underneeth guy and make him look like a threat. Sting did that. Hernandez showed he could work at that level. I don't see a loss here unless they o as you think they will and de-push him Yeah, we'll just wait and see. Just like with Kaz.
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Post by erisi236 on Jan 22, 2009 12:48:35 GMT -5
Just another guy to break the glass ceiling only to find a concrete one above it.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 22, 2009 12:49:30 GMT -5
Hernandez is supposed to be a streetsmart toughguy.
Why the hell would he put himself in that kind of situation? That's rediculous booking of the highest order.
He'd pick and choose his battles. Blah, that deflated me, but I still hope that Super Mex gets the title.
With TNA's history though. He's going to be Tomko'd, Kaz'd, Lethal'd, EY'd, Joe'd, Monty Brown'd. In that he'll be big for a little bit, then shunted down the card rather quickly. Then be brought back up without all the momentum he had when they were building him up.
TNA does not know how to build stars. They don't want to strike while the iron is hot. It's stupid.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 22, 2009 17:38:52 GMT -5
Seemed like the wrong opportunity to go after a champion. It's not like Sting was exhausted or by himself or anything.
The guy challenges him with all his boys around the ring, you could see the DQ coming a mile away.
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Post by donners on Jan 22, 2009 18:15:13 GMT -5
Unlike Tomko, Monty Brown, Raven and co, he is signed up for nearly three more years. I can see them giving him a big push in the near future. This was just a taste.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Jan 23, 2009 3:51:50 GMT -5
I think the whole Feast or Fired shot was actually handled well. Yes it would have been nice to put the belt on him straight away as a result of the shot, but what then? Have Sting or another member of the MEM take it from him at the next ppv? As it is now, they used Genesis to show he can go against three guys and come out victorious, now they can play off that, using the notion that the 3 he defeated in the tag match weren't as seasoned as the MEM, so slowly build him up to the point where he gets wins against the Mafia, intially one on one, then gradually with intereference from the other members. If handled right, Hernandez will come out of this looking like the unstoppable force that Joe used to be, and the fans will be baying for him to win the title. And in answer to the original poster's questions, I have no idea, I don't book for TNA
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jan 23, 2009 6:18:38 GMT -5
I have been watching TNA regularly since 2004 and they still have yet to build up AJ or Joe to a level on par with guys like Angle or Sting.
I mean damn. Enough is enough already. I was watching Joe four freaking years ago thinking he would be the future of the company in two. AJ, well he was champ even when I was watching sporadically so he should be up there.
It is just frustrating. If anyone would ever ask me what my biggest problem with TNA was, I wouldn't cite stupid comedy angles [they are an integral part of wrestlings history like it or not and will continue as long as it is around], WWE Rejects [WCW struck gold with former WWF guys], or even gimmick match shenanigans [if i ask any casual fan friends of mine why they do not watch WWE anymore, a lot of them mention it is because they never do any hardcore or otherwise crazy matches anymore]...
No, the main problem with TNA, in my opinion, is the fact that they NEVER pull the trigger on guys they should. Everyone treads water. Honestly, guys like Angle or Sting are going to draw with or without a belt or a huge push.
Look at the past six years or so of Shawn Michaels career to see how you can book a world renowned legend without him hogging the title or the main event scene and simultaneously putting guys over.
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Post by rawthentic on Jan 23, 2009 23:21:48 GMT -5
I have been watching TNA regularly since 2004 and they still have yet to build up AJ or Joe to a level on par with guys like Angle or Sting. I mean damn. Enough is enough already. I was watching Joe four freaking years ago thinking he would be the future of the company in two. AJ, well he was champ even when I was watching sporadically so he should be up there. It is just frustrating. If anyone would ever ask me what my biggest problem with TNA was, I wouldn't cite stupid comedy angles [they are an integral part of wrestlings history like it or not and will continue as long as it is around], WWE Rejects [WCW struck gold with former WWF guys], or even gimmick match shenanigans [if i ask any casual fan friends of mine why they do not watch WWE anymore, a lot of them mention it is because they never do any hardcore or otherwise crazy matches anymore]... No, the main problem with TNA, in my opinion, is the fact that they NEVER pull the trigger on guys they should. Everyone treads water. Honestly, guys like Angle or Sting are going to draw with or without a belt or a huge push. Look at the past six years or so of Shawn Michaels career to see how you can book a world renowned legend without him hogging the title or the main event scene and simultaneously putting guys over. Id say they have put Samoa Joe and AJ Styles on par with Angle. They have beaten Angle plenty of times. Id say they havent handled Joe the best resulting in him not being as over as he should be at this point but im sure everybody who watches TNA or casual fans who know a little know that Samoa Joe and AJ Styles belong in the same ring as Kurt Angle. I do agree Sting doesent have to be anywhere near the title. He can have a match with no title involved and it would be a main event status match depending on the storyline and the matchup. Kurt Angle belongs in the title picture. It makes all the sense with his competitive character for him to always be looking for the gold or trying to reach a certain goal. TNA has been too reluctant to put new guys in the main event picture. Hernandez and Matt Morgan would be obvious choices, but they also have Christopher Daniels doing NOTHING.I also think Robert Roode has the look and talent of a heel main eventer but he needs more character. Other than that, i think their roster is pretty weak as far as potential main eventers outside of the guys who are already in it. It seems TNA has too many small x division guys who can't be bought in the same ring as Kurt Angle no matter how they are booked. I just can't see Petey, Lethal, Creed, Eric Young, Sonjay, Shark Boy,MCMG etc in main events.
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Post by crudulak on Jan 23, 2009 23:46:58 GMT -5
TNA has been too reluctant to put new guys in the main event picture. Hernandez and Matt Morgan would be obvious choices, but they also have Christopher Daniels doing NOTHING.I also think Robert Roode has the look and talent of a heel main eventer but he needs more character. Other than that, i think their roster is pretty weak as far as potential main eventers outside of the guys who are already in it. It seems TNA has too many small x division guys who can't be bought in the same ring as Kurt Angle no matter how they are booked. I just can't see Petey, Lethal, Creed, Eric Young, Sonjay, Shark Boy,MCMG etc in main events. I find myself agreeing with rawthentic a lot lately, and this time is no exception. I would also put James Storm near the top of the list of potential main eventers. Not using The Fallen Angel should be a criminal offense punishable by a night with Kong. Without rest holds.
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Post by Danimal on Jan 24, 2009 4:51:03 GMT -5
I think TNA was really just testing the waters to see how fans would react to Hernandez in a main event level match. They were probably trying to get some idea on whether to give Hernandez a big singles-push or not. Hopefully they got a good vibe out of it.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 24, 2009 5:41:49 GMT -5
I don't buy it. Look at the talent on RAW and yet the E was able to do the briefcase bit well with Punk and made him on the same level as all the champions on that show. They can plug him into a main event with credibility now at anytime. The card gap between Punk and Micheals, Cena, Orton, JBL, Mysterio, Kane, and Batista after 'Mania was way greater than all those names mentioned in TNA and Sting, Angle, etc. It should be easier for TNA to do what WWE does better, that's making new stars.
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Post by rawthentic on Jan 24, 2009 6:26:29 GMT -5
I don't buy it. Look at the talent on RAW and yet the E was able to do the briefcase bit well with Punk and made him on the same level as all the champions on that show. They can plug him into a main event with credibility now at anytime. The card gap between Punk and Micheals, Cena, Orton, JBL, Mysterio, Kane, and Batista after 'Mania was way greater than all those names mentioned in TNA and Sting, Angle, etc. It should be easier for TNA to do what WWE does better, that's making new stars. You think it should be easier for TNA to make new stars compared to the WWE? They have 2 hours(counting commercials) a week and a pretty small roster. WWE has 6 hours of nationally televised programming a week, an endless pool of raw talent, development feds and a lot more money to bring in top independent talent. I also don't see CM Punk on the level of Randy Orton, HHH, John Cena, Edge etc. Just because they put the title on him for a forgetable transition run when guys like Orton and Cena were out with injuries doesent mean he's on their level to the WWE or the fan.When the starters got back, it was back to the bench for Punk, wrestling vs. guys at his level. Not saying that they won't give him the push again, because they are trying to keep him as protected as possible in the mid card by not having him lose cleanly and putting their prestige-less titles on him. I guess this is all for another thread though. I said TNA needs to push more stars, but it's not as easy as throwing shit to the wall and seeing if it sticks. I thought they had an oppurtunity with Hernandez and they used it up too soon, it was very anti climatic,clusterf*** and was promptly swept under the rug. I think Hernandez can be something, but it isnt a given and i'll think he'll see his chance again later on this year.
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