Nr1Humanoid
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Aug 13, 2009 14:49:43 GMT -5
You hear it in interviews all the time; what we don't see can be more powerful than what we're actually shown. Where what you imagine is worse than anything they could show you.
What moment in movies illustrates that more than any other?
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Aug 13, 2009 14:52:03 GMT -5
Fine, I'm gonna make a movie where what you do see is far sicker than anything you could have ever thought of!
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Post by The Line on Aug 13, 2009 14:53:38 GMT -5
Hitchcock was a huge believer in what you can think of is the worst thing possible, so obviously his films used this technique a lot.
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Post by Paul Servo on Aug 13, 2009 15:25:34 GMT -5
in RESERVIOR DOGS, you never see the cop's ear get cut off. The camera "looks away" from it.
I've said similar things about SOMETHING ABOUT MARY. The two most famous scenes from that, the zipper and the hair gel. Letting us imagine what the zipper looked like from all the reactiosn would be funnier than actually showing it. The hair gel, we get the set up, we don't need to see the execution. The outcome is still funny
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Post by The Line on Aug 13, 2009 15:26:32 GMT -5
in RESERVIOR DOGS, you never see the cop's ear get cut off. The camera "looks away" from it. I've said similar things about SOMETHING ABOUT MARY. The two most famous scenes from that, the zipper and the hair gel. Letting us imagine what the zipper looked like from all the reactiosn would be funnier than actually showing it. The hair gel, we get the set up, we don't need to see the execution. The outcome is still funny Reservoir Dogs is a great example |
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Aug 13, 2009 15:30:36 GMT -5
You guys just wait till you get a load of me my movie.
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Post by The Line on Aug 13, 2009 15:32:14 GMT -5
I've already seen that movie. Not enough dick
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Aug 13, 2009 15:33:02 GMT -5
That was the first one! I'm working on the sequel full or the weirdest, craziest, nastiest stuff ever!
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Aug 13, 2009 15:36:58 GMT -5
I'd say ALIEN is a terrific example of this style of presentation.
With the exception of the chestburster scene, which is designed to have that in-your-face, horrific impact, everything else about the film evokes fear beased off of what you don't see directly.
There's actually very little screen time for the Alien itself, but every scene, no matter how brief, highlights just how nasty and scary it is. But more importantly, the dim lighting, grimy textures, and bizarre construction of the Nostromo interior, the derelict ship, the engineering section, the hissing of steam pipes, and silhouettes from fan blades in the air shafts, etc. makes you feel as if something is lurking around that next corner, and could grab you at any moment.
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Post by Cela on Aug 13, 2009 15:37:06 GMT -5
How about Jaws?
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Post by dabossftw on Aug 13, 2009 15:38:45 GMT -5
One film that comes to mind for me is the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre. There really wasn't too many flat out gory shots, other than the guy getting whacked on the head with a hammer, from what I can recall. Indeed, the imagination can do things that scare you worse than any effects can.
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Post by Cela on Aug 13, 2009 15:39:53 GMT -5
Hostel did this to... ok maybe just one scene, but it still counts!
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Post by tehoh1 on Aug 13, 2009 15:45:11 GMT -5
One film that comes to mind for me is the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre. There really wasn't too many flat out gory shots, other than the guy getting whacked on the head with a hammer, from what I can recall. Indeed, the imagination can do things that scare you worse than any effects can. I was going to use that as an example as well. I love that the goriest part of the movie is the 1 second shot of Leatherface's leg after he cuts it with the chainsaw. |
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Aug 13, 2009 16:00:06 GMT -5
One of the best examples of leaving the most brutal scenes to your imagination would be the film Snatch. Pretty much every death in that film was off camera. Scenes like Bullet Tooth Tony annihilating the Russian with a Desert Eagle and Brick Top getting shot by the gypsies have more impact when the images are left in your mind.
Recently I found the perfect argument for imagination over gore/violence. Its from a post I read on the IMDB boards about the film Brazil. Here is the post verbatim from the poster "stazza"
"I recently viewed a making of 'Guy getting hit by car" thing in the effects channel....guy walks away from a girl, when they show him cross the street and get hit by a speeding truck. the FIRST thing that entered my mind was WHY did they even have to show it? Was it supporting part of the plot [maybe the plot was demon trucks killing people, i don know] but step back a sec from the CG....
WAS THIS CG SCENE EVEN NEEDED? If the plot was their, if the writing was there, if the characters were there, did we HAVE to SEE him get hit? I say no. Show the girl scream in horror, have a car screech & thud sounds and show him laying on the pavement. Scene done, easy, supports the plot, shows more emotion, no need for special effects. [for shock or "OH COOL" value]
now to the point. Then I watched how they made the scene. It was incredible. Probably took 6 hours of computer cutting pasting, green screen, more image adjusting, extra filming etc etc etc - just long laborious process to make one little scene that probably didn't even need to be there. MORE money and time spent on an effect than the actual WRITING of the plot and scene because they could rely on special effects for impact."
Their is not one thing this guy wrote that I disagree with.
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Post by spec on Aug 14, 2009 0:53:59 GMT -5
I'd say ALIEN is a terrific example of this style of presentation. With the exception of the chestburster scene, which is designed to have that in-your-face, horrific impact, everything else about the film evokes fear beased off of what you don't see directly. There's actually very little screen time for the Alien itself, but every scene, no matter how brief, highlights just how nasty and scary it is. But more importantly, the dim lighting, grimy textures, and bizarre construction of the Nostromo interior, the derelict ship, the engineering section, the hissing of steam pipes, and silhouettes from fan blades in the air shafts, etc. makes you feel as if something is lurking around that next corner, and could grab you at any moment. I was going to say something similar to this. A great example of less is more when it came to showing the alien itself, with the setting and overall atmosphere providing a lot of the chills and adding to the creepiness and tension. Made the payoff of seeing the creature, a brilliantly grotesque and horrific design in its's own right, all the more effective. I'd add masked killers to this; Jason, Michael Myers etc. You can't see their faces so you can only imagine what horrible scarring/deformity may be lurking beneath. It is also de-personalising as you can't see their features and expressions, which is fitting for their psychotic, emotionless actions. |
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Aug 14, 2009 2:43:34 GMT -5
I'd add masked killers to this; Jason, Michael Myers etc. You can't see their faces so you can only imagine what horrible scarring/deformity may be lurking beneath. Fan of Kane, are you? ;D Abuot the original post: "The Texas Chain Saw Massacre" was the first movie that popped into mind. It's the sound of the chainsaw and the screaming that helps your mind imagine the scene you're not seeing. "Jaws" was another great example. The greatest example would be the shower scene from "Psycho". |
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Post by Brother Coyote on Aug 14, 2009 3:15:39 GMT -5
This scene would be so much less horrifying if it weren't for the combination of the PoV shot and that we can't actually see what he's doing.
Man, I love this movie.
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Post by theryno665 on Aug 14, 2009 8:58:55 GMT -5
I'm a fan of both, as long as they're done well. The problem with today's gore/violence is that, more often than not, it's usually stylized enough to take you out of the whole movie going experience. Usually, the best violence is something quick or something with practical effects. If you linger on it too long, you begin to see how fake it really is, especially if it's CGI'd to hell. Offscreen works well but it's not like all you have to do is pan the camera away then pan it back to a scene covered in blood. The actors still have to be on top of their game, only that much moreso as they have to perform a believable scene without being seen.
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