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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 2, 2009 23:49:41 GMT -5
PW could you elaborate on the links a little bit more. Are you saying if I am town Latino is scum or my being town would mean he is likely town? Also how do Jazz/Jag link up?
Although I probably shouldn't be coming to his defense as he is the most likely to take votes off of me, and he is one who has voted for me in the most blatantly scummy way, I am nervous about Ravishing. He seems to be taking a lot of momentum and hasn't chipped in much. Strangely enough I am more comfortable with the heat on me then a bandwagon on him at the moment. If I am killed I will flip town (I know that's what we all say) then the town has something to work off of with what I have said. If Ravishing takes the bandwagon straight to the noose and flips town that leaves us in about the same sinking ship we were in after day one.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 2, 2009 23:52:01 GMT -5
EBWOP
Not trying to take the martyr approach here like Jag did day one, I just want to honestly hear more from some people before we get the good bandwagons going.
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Post by Jazzman on Dec 3, 2009 0:08:38 GMT -5
PW could you elaborate on the links a little bit more. Are you saying if I am town Latino is scum or my being town would mean he is likely town? Also how do Jazz/Jag link up? Although I probably shouldn't be coming to his defense as he is the most likely to take votes off of me, and he is one who has voted for me in the most blatantly scummy way, I am nervous about Ravishing. He seems to be taking a lot of momentum and hasn't chipped in much. Strangely enough I am more comfortable with the heat on me then a bandwagon on him at the moment. If I am killed I will flip town (I know that's what we all say) then the town has something to work off of with what I have said. If Ravishing takes the bandwagon straight to the noose and flips town that leaves us in about the same sinking ship we were in after day one. I think the link being alluded to was the debate Jag and I had on day 1 where we were both being really aggressive to figure some stuff out and traded ideas and played the blame game with each other. Same thin has gone on, to an extent of course, with you and Meat. I'll tell you that in no way are Jag and I linked except for that we are both talkative townies willing to bring ideas into the forum for shopping.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 3, 2009 0:46:57 GMT -5
Really I haven't seen Meat as being one who has pressed me much or me him. Yourself or D2 maybe. But then again if any of them flip town I would not be surprised that's why I won't say we are both talkative townies bringing ideas to the forum, for I only know of myself as being town and will not vouch for their innocence.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 3, 2009 0:50:34 GMT -5
That's actually a good way of thinking about these things, PW. In conjunction with that, though, you don't just learn about other players once someone has been lynched (assuming they flipped Mafia); you learn about the lynchee's ideas. For instance, crudulak seems to think some of my ideas are scummy. Fair enough; he doesn't know that I'm Town, so I can't blame him for not being on board with my viewpoint. But, if I get lynched, everyone will see that I truly am Town; and then some of my statements can be seen in a different light. Which won't do me personally much good, but it could still help the Town out, and as I've said many times before... that's what matters. Ok, so someone has to get lynched for Day 2... looking at it from this perspective, which character's death would benefit the town the most? I think that's what you were getting at. As for being linked to ritt... I thought I had more interaction with Ravishing and Mr Emoticon Man than ritt, honestly. Can someone clarify the linking philosophy? I said it earlier, if we want to move forward, I'll take a lynch today if it'll help out the town. Once you see that I'm town, I would hope the town would go looking into ritt or one of the other people that voted for D2 on Day 1? Is that what the linking is about? While this can work and root out one of the mafia (if we follow the theory that at least one mafia voted for D2 to be lynched) it can also cost us a few townspeople (due to the serial killer running around, and the Mafia night kill) everyday that was misfire. We've already lost three (two of those power roles) and I don't know if we can afford to lose anymore. Remember, it's not about the individuals that survive that determines who wins the game -- it's all about which team survives.
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Post by D2: Sweet & Sour Edition on Dec 3, 2009 0:51:27 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm saying this but
UNVOTE
As gung-ho as I feel about my theory, I too want to hear more from the rest of the town before this bandwagon starts going down hill.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 3, 2009 1:30:21 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm saying this but UNVOTEAs gung-ho as I feel about my theory, I too want to hear more from the rest of the town before this bandwagon starts going down hill. Any person in particular? Any ideas you want explored? That kind of post fits about perfectly the active lurker status. You call for more contributions without contributing anything from yourself. Who's theories have legs to you and who's are bunk?
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Dec 3, 2009 9:48:08 GMT -5
PW could you elaborate on the links a little bit more. Are you saying if I am town Latino is scum or my being town would mean he is likely town? Also how do Jazz/Jag link up? Although I probably shouldn't be coming to his defense as he is the most likely to take votes off of me, and he is one who has voted for me in the most blatantly scummy way, I am nervous about Ravishing. He seems to be taking a lot of momentum and hasn't chipped in much. Strangely enough I am more comfortable with the heat on me then a bandwagon on him at the moment. If I am killed I will flip town (I know that's what we all say) then the town has something to work off of with what I have said. If Ravishing takes the bandwagon straight to the noose and flips town that leaves us in about the same sinking ship we were in after day one. I think the link being alluded to was the debate Jag and I had on day 1 where we were both being really aggressive to figure some stuff out and traded ideas and played the blame game with each other. Same thin has gone on, to an extent of course, with you and Meat. I'll tell you that in no way are Jag and I linked except for that we are both talkative townies willing to bring ideas into the forum for shopping. You know Jag is a townie?
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Post by Jazzman on Dec 3, 2009 10:41:37 GMT -5
I think the link being alluded to was the debate Jag and I had on day 1 where we were both being really aggressive to figure some stuff out and traded ideas and played the blame game with each other. Same thin has gone on, to an extent of course, with you and Meat. I'll tell you that in no way are Jag and I linked except for that we are both talkative townies willing to bring ideas into the forum for shopping. You know Jag is a townie? Wow, didn't realize I phrased that sentence in that way. What I ment to say was that I have a very strong feeling that Jag and my play styles are similar. We both appear to be talkative townies who always want our ideas out there. Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by psychotix5000 on Dec 3, 2009 11:55:16 GMT -5
Ya know i'm really beginning to hate how so many people have since adopted the Jagilki defense (c). It screams scum to me. Seeing as how Jag disappeared once D2 v1.0 got lynched and has been pretty much forgotten now everyone under fire is stealing his bit and, worst of all, IT KEEPS WORKING!!!
Also anyone else notice how whenever i come up with a theory or suggestion Emoticon goes the opposite direction to "provide different angles?"
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 3, 2009 12:20:12 GMT -5
Ya know i'm really beginning to hate how so many people have since adopted the Jagilki defense (c). It screams scum to me. Seeing as how Jag disappeared once D2 v1.0 got lynched and has been pretty much forgotten now everyone under fire is stealing his bit and, worst of all, IT KEEPS WORKING!!! Also anyone else notice how whenever i come up with a theory or suggestion Emoticon goes the opposite direction to "provide different angles?" One of you is scum, the other is a town. Simple as that, right? And if you haven't noticed... in this game, we've gone in spurts on who we are chasing. I doubt there will be a lynch until people are forced to vote. I do think that the lurkers are hurting the town the most though, as this game has been going for well over two weeks now, and you would think that everyone would have had a shot to give at least one in-depth post about their theories about what is going on and who is mafia.
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Post by psychotix5000 on Dec 3, 2009 15:21:34 GMT -5
GM can we get jagilki and the other lurkers prodded please? Kthxbye
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 3, 2009 16:26:21 GMT -5
Ya know i'm really beginning to hate how so many people have since adopted the Jagilki defense (c). It screams scum to me. Seeing as how Jag disappeared once D2 v1.0 got lynched and has been pretty much forgotten now everyone under fire is stealing his bit and, worst of all, IT KEEPS WORKING!!! Also anyone else notice how whenever i come up with a theory or suggestion Emoticon goes the opposite direction to "provide different angles?" I know what you are saying and I admit I am guilty of this. However with the heat on me I could have roleclaimed or taken the heat and tried to get something good out of the day hoping that another suspect turns up. As it is I don't want to come right out and claim anything, I don't want anyone too, unless it can help us. We are one less townie the mafia knows is not a power role best case scenario. Worst case we have an open vulnerable power role. Now that I am in the seat D2 was in I can kind of see his point in not claiming, however I am trying to redeem myself by helping the town until lynch day. I am concerned about how quickly everyone backed off when I said if I am to be lynched so be it. I mean on one hand I am glad that other avenues are explored and that I may yet survive until night. On the other hand if it is that easy for me, and I admit my day one voting record is a heavy liability, than it might be real easy for the true scum and third party to pull the same thing. It's an even better defense the the aforementioned "I welcome investigation" defense.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Dec 3, 2009 16:59:30 GMT -5
I think the "So be it..." defense is going to be a hinderance to us. Like ritt said, scum and third party could use this defense, and it seems like we'd back off from voting. A scary and realistic possibility.
As it stands, I'm still not sure on who to vote for. Ritt does seem like a strong candidate, but as another poster mentioned it could be he's being set up. I'm still confident that one of the people who voted for D2 is scum, and coincidence did lead me to Jazzman.
Monday's the lynch date, and votes can change at any time up until then. So for now, based on what I posted a page back,
Vote: Jazzman
Which I'm more than happy to take back if he can prove he's town.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 3, 2009 17:37:06 GMT -5
Thoughts going thru my head right now: Jag: Early votes mainly based on a single comment. Basically went belly up and said "go ahead and lynch me". Didnt try to defend himself(or very little if he did). He's played several mafia games before... and I'm wondering if that was a productive strategy that he's seen that he is now implimenting. He hasn't really contributed much to the discussion in trying to find other scum, and being such an experienced player, I would think he would be. Ravishing one... Still feel like he's "along for the ride" basically just agreeing with others, not really giving any of his own thoughts, and posting just enough to stay active Latino... was the first to vote for Me and for D-2... not a whole lot... but just something I took note of. Mr. Emoticon/Ritt - Their votes basically finished off D-2 on day one... Mr. Emoticon seemed to be following Latino's lead with voting... Jazzman... 2nd voter for d-2... could have been a bandwaggon vote, but can't be sure.... He either has really bad luck in calling people out... or is mafia trying to only point out people he knows are not mafia. His comment about being worried about the serial killer with no mention of the mafia is still at the forefront of why my vote is still on him. Jonathan Michaels... has contributed nothing on day 2(about to look back on day 1)... has stated that he didn't want to vote early since we had 2 weeks, then asked if he should role claim. I can understand not wanting to vote early, but who do you suspect? Anyone done anything that has your suspisions? You don't have to vote, but if you don't contribute, what good are the extra days? Deadpool... still waiting to hear from him... Thoughts? Comments? Trying to provoke some discussion here... especially from those that haven't chimed in with anything helpful in a while. To be perfectly honest, I suspect almost everyone right now. However, I will note that everyone jumped my case because I supposedly did a "Drive-By" on Jag, but as far as I can tell, just about everyone else suspects him too. I am not even remotely convinced of Jag's innocence. And I am in between on everyone else, except Al Bundy and Latino Meat, whom I think are town. Therefore. . . VOTE : Jagilki
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 3, 2009 18:50:24 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest, I suspect almost everyone right now. However, I will note that everyone jumped my case because I supposedly did a "Drive-By" on Jag, but as far as I can tell, just about everyone else suspects him too. I am not even remotely convinced of Jag's innocence. And I am in between on everyone else, except Al Bundy and Latino Meat, whom I think are town. Therefore. . . VOTE : JagilkiTrue many people have Jag on there suspect lists but his lack of participation has made him an almost non-topic on this day, and not really anyones prime suspect. The bigger suspects appear to be myself and Jazzman. I am curious as to why Jag sticks out more than either of us at this time? Is either one of us more scummy than the other to you? This could very well be considered another drive by vote and with the low chances of Jag being the lynch it is a pretty safe drive by vote. I mean you guys could both be scum and later on if one of you is flipped you can point to this drive by as proof you are not in cahoots when in reality it was a random and fairly non-threatening vote.
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Post by Jazzman on Dec 3, 2009 19:05:05 GMT -5
Ok, I guess it's time to come clean. I do have a power role in this game which makes me unafraid of Mafia members, I'm bulletproof like Masters in the last game. That's why I was hoping to draw mafia attention to me knowing that they couldn't do anything. Honestly, this no makes me of little use to others and will serve as only a bigger beacon to me, but I feel like the time to do this is now.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 3, 2009 19:33:43 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest, I suspect almost everyone right now. However, I will note that everyone jumped my case because I supposedly did a "Drive-By" on Jag, but as far as I can tell, just about everyone else suspects him too. I am not even remotely convinced of Jag's innocence. And I am in between on everyone else, except Al Bundy and Latino Meat, whom I think are town. Therefore. . . VOTE : JagilkiTrue many people have Jag on there suspect lists but his lack of participation has made him an almost non-topic on this day, and not really anyones prime suspect. The bigger suspects appear to be myself and Jazzman. I am curious as to why Jag sticks out more than either of us at this time? Is either one of us more scummy than the other to you? This could very well be considered another drive by vote and with the low chances of Jag being the lynch it is a pretty safe drive by vote. I mean you guys could both be scum and later on if one of you is flipped you can point to this drive by as proof you are not in cahoots when in reality it was a random and fairly non-threatening vote. The thing is, with his nonparticipation... it makes us look elsewhere, and forget about him. That throws a red alarm off in my mind. I do think that Ravishing and Jag are the top two mafia bearers at the moment... and I cannot figure out which one to vote for.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 3, 2009 19:35:51 GMT -5
Ok, I guess it's time to come clean. I do have a power role in this game which makes me unafraid of Mafia members, I'm bulletproof like Masters in the last game. That's why I was hoping to draw mafia attention to me knowing that they couldn't do anything. Honestly, this no makes me of little use to others and will serve as only a bigger beacon to me, but I feel like the time to do this is now. And how the hell did I miss this? I hope you didn't make a mistake revealing that. I guess you kinda had to though. We are weakening ourselves, I think. *sigh*
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Post by ♥ Bunnyslinger ♥ on Dec 3, 2009 19:49:20 GMT -5
Ok, I guess it's time to come clean. I do have a power role in this game which makes me unafraid of Mafia members, I'm bulletproof like Masters in the last game. That's why I was hoping to draw mafia attention to me knowing that they couldn't do anything. Honestly, this no makes me of little use to others and will serve as only a bigger beacon to me, but I feel like the time to do this is now. So you're completely unkillable at night? that's useful. It's also a superb fake claim for mafia, since we'd all most likely be too scared to lynch someone who makes that claim on account of town being the only ones who can kill you.
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