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Post by shamana on Jul 5, 2009 14:37:52 GMT -5
I imagine this will be the angle that starts their first big push. They start acting like big shots, some face tells them they aren't even close to the original Hart Foundation, and the Dynasty does something horrible to the face to show they're to be taken seriously. Oh yeah, that could be good. It would be golden if they behave in enough ways similar to the original heel Hart Foundation.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Jul 5, 2009 14:52:28 GMT -5
The Harts don't need Bret, Owen, Anvil, Davey, or Pillman to get over. The last thing they need is Bret coming out to be the focus of attention.
But...they could use a program with HBK when he gets back. I think it would be great if he came back as a heel and tried to "flush" the new nuggets. Or he could be the face and they could be out to avenge the Hart name.
I prefer HBK as the heel, but if they could get a program with Shawn then they would be in the best hands to put them over and make them look legit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2009 14:56:33 GMT -5
The Harts don't need Bret, Owen, Anvil, Davey, or Pillman to get over. The last thing they need is Bret coming out to be the focus of attention. But...they could use a program with HBK when he gets back. I think it would be great if he came back as a heel and tried to "flush" the new nuggets. Or he could be the face and they could be out to avenge the Hart name. I prefer HBK as the heel, but if they could get a program with Shawn then they would be in the best hands to put them over and make them look legit. If HBK comes back as a heel, I think it'd be a great little twist if he becomes a mentor for them.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 5, 2009 15:20:34 GMT -5
The Harts don't need Bret, Owen, Anvil, Davey, or Pillman to get over. The last thing they need is Bret coming out to be the focus of attention. But...they could use a program with HBK when he gets back. I think it would be great if he came back as a heel and tried to "flush" the new nuggets. Or he could be the face and they could be out to avenge the Hart name. I prefer HBK as the heel, but if they could get a program with Shawn then they would be in the best hands to put them over and make them look legit. If HBK comes back as a heel, I think it'd be a great little twist if he becomes a mentor for them. If Cody can accept Orton as his mentor after he punted his dad, that seems totally plausible by comparison.
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Post by seamonsters on Jul 5, 2009 15:29:49 GMT -5
The Harts don't need Bret, Owen, Anvil, Davey, or Pillman to get over. The last thing they need is Bret coming out to be the focus of attention. But...they could use a program with HBK when he gets back. I think it would be great if he came back as a heel and tried to "flush" the new nuggets. Or he could be the face and they could be out to avenge the Hart name. I prefer HBK as the heel, but if they could get a program with Shawn then they would be in the best hands to put them over and make them look legit. Wait until they're on the same brand for that. Bring in Matt Bentley for a week or two, put over he's HBK's nephew, and just have them destroy him. But I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for HBK to put them over - he rarely puts people over (Jeff Hardy, Kennedy, Umaga and Shane McMahon are the only non-champions to have pinned HBK in a one-on-one match since the beginning of 2006, and only Hardy and Kennedy did it clean), he's always been a politician, and if he didn't want to let Bret Hart get his win, back, he ain't putting over his nephews.
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Post by dabossftw on Jul 5, 2009 15:50:17 GMT -5
Do I feel sad watching them because they aren't going to go anywhere? Hell no. Do I feel sad watching them because I miss Owen and Davey (Pillman included as well)? Absolutely.
The cream will always rise to the top, boys and girls. If they have the drive and skill-set that seems to run in their family, there won't be any denying them their fair share of the spotlight. As long as they keep themselves out of trouble and clean, they have the opprotunity like everyone else who's stepped through the giant revolving door that is WWE. Either you blow them away with your talents, or you get future endeavored (eventually).
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Post by Kae on Jul 5, 2009 16:51:43 GMT -5
My feeling is that they need to get over as Harts in their own right, rather than having Bret or Anvil come out one night and cut a promo for them. They need to be the new generation, rather than a way for the older generation to still perform. Fortunately, I think they have the talent to do that.
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Post by kidmuscle on Jul 5, 2009 17:01:17 GMT -5
Call me pessimistic but I can't help but feel when I watched the Hart Dynasty job to Cryme Tyme on Smackdown, they would be much, much more taken seriously as a threat (therefore given a much bigger push than they seem to getting now) if Bret, Anvil, Owen and Davey Boy (even Pillman actually) were still alive and/or able to wrestle. I just feel that they are going to struggle and be made into a joke without them getting a rub from those guys at the least. I hope I'm wrong though, David, Nattie and TJ are all very talented. /rant over So it's bad to lose to another tag team? Another tag team that's 10x more over than they are? Blah i was happy to see 2 tag teams actually wrestling each other for once
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Jul 5, 2009 18:52:14 GMT -5
The Harts don't need Bret, Owen, Anvil, Davey, or Pillman to get over. The last thing they need is Bret coming out to be the focus of attention. But...they could use a program with HBK when he gets back. I think it would be great if he came back as a heel and tried to "flush" the new nuggets. Or he could be the face and they could be out to avenge the Hart name. I prefer HBK as the heel, but if they could get a program with Shawn then they would be in the best hands to put them over and make them look legit. Wait until they're on the same brand for that. Bring in Matt Bentley for a week or two, put over he's HBK's nephew, and just have them destroy him. But I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for HBK to put them over - he rarely puts people over (Jeff Hardy, Kennedy, Umaga and Shane McMahon are the only non-champions to have pinned HBK in a one-on-one match since the beginning of 2006, and only Hardy and Kennedy did it clean), he's always been a politician, and if he didn't want to let Bret Hart get his win, back, he ain't putting over his nephews. Ha! I love your list of wrestlers Shawn put over like that is a limited list. First you had to limit it to non-champions and you still forgot Undertaker. Second, since 2006 who has Shawn been in the ring with? How many people did Shawn bury or refuse to put over? From all indications Shawn has long gotten over any anger with Bret Hart. And Shawn didn't have any beef with Neidhart, Davey-Boy, or Owen. So why would he refuse to help nephews of a guy he doesn't even care about anymore?
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Jul 5, 2009 18:55:06 GMT -5
I think people would be more accepting of them if they were called "Canadian Bulldogs" It is a guy named Kidd and Smith after all. Then they wouldn't have to live up to the Hart name.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2009 19:58:52 GMT -5
It's clear that WWE WANT to push the Hart Dynasty, I think they're just trying to figure out how to go about it.
They'll probably wrestle Cryme Tyme again. A feud. Feuds are good.
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Post by corndog on Jul 5, 2009 21:10:15 GMT -5
the original hart foundation started off as a jobber team, they hardly ever won when they were heels. Umm they were tag champs and usually had time limit draws with the Killer Bees and the British Bulldogs before winning the belts(jobbers would just lose, there is no reason to make jobbers look solid). They also beat the British Bulldogs for the tag team championship. They were a mid-card tag team when they started, but I wouldn't say they were jobbers. However Bret Hart was a jobber when he first started in the WWF before the Hart Foundation.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jul 5, 2009 21:13:29 GMT -5
the original hart foundation started off as a jobber team, they hardly ever won when they were heels. Umm they were tag champs and usually had time limit draws with the Killer Bees and the British Bulldogs before winning the belts(jobbers would just lose, there is no reason to make jobbers look solid). They also beat the British Bulldogs for the tag team championship. They were a mid-card tag team when they started, but I wouldn't say they were jobbers. However Bret Hart was a jobber when he first started in the WWF before the Hart Foundation. That they did, but when they started out they were also losing matches to the Hillbillies which aren't exactly technical wizards, but were over with the fans. It didn't kill them, and I doubt this loss will kill this new Hart tandem. The only thing I like about them is the opener to their theme, which I'd get rid of as all it's doing is reminding people of who's not there. That's just my view on it.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 5, 2009 21:18:31 GMT -5
It is way too early to think that yet I feel, but I understand that they have something big to live up to.
The Hart Foundation consisted of strong veterans back in 1997 all in one group. The original Hart Foundation and the British Bulldogs had years of experience before their first WWE exposure, and in a different era then now, where you worked a lot against some of the most talented wrestlers in the world. Kidd and Smith didn't have that opportunity, so there is always going to be something missing with them, especially if you're being compared to the teams I mentioned.
What would help them would be a rub from Bret Hart, like, him putting them over on Tv. The Anvil, not so much, because he wasn't as big of a star as Bret was. But that would really help them, especially in Canada (though I'm sure if they are in Canada, they are gonna be over like nobody's business anyway. Now that I think about it, when they go back to Alberta, which will be soon, they should have either the Hart Dynasty win the tag belts, or Natalya win the Women's belt. They haven't been there in a few years, and having the hometown guys win there would boost the place up some more, so when they go back, they could maybe get some sell outs.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Jul 5, 2009 21:19:51 GMT -5
Replace sad with bored and I'll say yes.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 6, 2009 1:43:20 GMT -5
Lost a tag match!? To the most over real tag team in the WWE!? On free TV!? In a back and forth match!? omgz berried! Hell, Cryme Tyme even cheated. It's not exactly a big deal.
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Post by Ricky Ruckus on Jul 6, 2009 4:00:24 GMT -5
Tyson Kidd is the best young worker i have seen in the WWE in YEARS. His match with Christian on ECW a few weeks back was awesome. Unfortunately he is skilled and not large so he will go no where in the WWE. DH Smith...not nearly as good but much bigger. He will get the actual push of the two. Mark my words. And while he isn't horrible by any means he is clearly the lesser of the two but size wins out over talent all day everyday there.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Jul 6, 2009 4:11:05 GMT -5
The only thing I feel sad about when watching the Hart Dynasty is that Bret will never make an appearance and put them over with an epic promo. I know I'm not the only one thinking that's the only way to legitimize them. dont be sad that bret cant deliver epic promos, im sure one of his usual mediocre ones would get the message across
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 6, 2009 4:16:55 GMT -5
If anything, having Cryme Tyme beat the Harts gives CT some heat and benefits the Tag divison as a whole. Of course, if WWE gave a crap about the division, it might mean more.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 6, 2009 5:06:03 GMT -5
If anything, having Cryme Tyme beat the Harts gives CT some heat and benefits the Tag divison as a whole. Of course, if WWE gave a crap about the division, it might mean more. Hopefully, this babystep in the right direction will beget more babysteps.
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