The Miz Is Gone From Raw Appreciation Thread

[Hiroshi Hase]

Oh well, maybe he'll be better off on SD.

I didn't think there was anything at all wrong with the Cena feud though as he was way out of his league.

[Mecca]

Aug 4, 2009 7:04:04 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

Oh well, maybe he'll be better off on SD.

I didn't think there was anything at all wrong with the Cena feud though as he was way out of his league.

We'll disagree, when you treat your midcard talent as though you don't care about them the fans will do the same.

[Hiroshi Hase]

Aug 4, 2009 7:11:21 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Aug 4, 2009 7:04:04 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

Oh well, maybe he'll be better off on SD.

I didn't think there was anything at all wrong with the Cena feud though as he was way out of his league.

We'll disagree, when you treat your midcard talent as though you don't care about them the fans will do the same.

The fans seemed to care enough to give him heat even after getting beat by Cena.

[Mecca]

Aug 4, 2009 7:26:02 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

Aug 4, 2009 7:11:21 GMT -5 Mecca said:

We'll disagree, when you treat your midcard talent as though you don't care about them the fans will do the same.

The fans seemed to care enough to give him heat even after getting beat by Cena.

So he was treated better by the fans than the bookers?

[Hiroshi Hase]

Aug 4, 2009 7:30:09 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Aug 4, 2009 7:26:02 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

The fans seemed to care enough to give him heat even after getting beat by Cena.

So he was treated better by the fans than the bookers?

I don't think he was treated that bad, the guy was just a loudmouth midcarder. If his character was that of someone who was made to be a threat to champions like his partner Morrison, I might agree.

[AriadosMan]

Aug 4, 2009 7:04:04 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

Oh well, maybe he'll be better off on SD.

I didn't think there was anything at all wrong with the Cena feud though as he was way out of his league.

Dude, aren't you a mark for Goldberg burying Jericho? Do you really enjoy seeing midcarders run over?

[Hiroshi Hase]

Aug 4, 2009 8:35:30 GMT -5 AriadosMan said:

Aug 4, 2009 7:04:04 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

Oh well, maybe he'll be better off on SD.

I didn't think there was anything at all wrong with the Cena feud though as he was way out of his league.

Dude, aren't you a mark for Goldberg burying Jericho? Do you really enjoy seeing midcarders run over?

I'm a mark for Goldberg, yes but I don't see how he was buried, the guy was clearly out of his league at the time.

Sorry if I'm not agonizing over this like I should be apparently. I just don't care that much for him and my sig pretty much gives my stance on things.

[Cactus Jack]

Logically, he would be better off on Smackdown!. But something about him seemed right on RAW.

[Randy Barber 4-Life]

Aug 4, 2009 8:35:30 GMT -5 AriadosMan said:

Aug 4, 2009 7:04:04 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

Oh well, maybe he'll be better off on SD.

I didn't think there was anything at all wrong with the Cena feud though as he was way out of his league.

Dude, aren't you a mark for Goldberg burying Jericho? Do you really enjoy seeing midcarders run over?

You keep equating Miz with ALL midcarders. Some of us just don't like Miz. Disliking Miz doesn't mean you want to fire all midcarders and just have a two hour long main event every Monday.

[AriadosMan]

Aug 4, 2009 8:38:20 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

I'm a mark for Goldberg, yes but I don't see how he was buried, the guy was clearly out of his league at the time.

Sorry if I'm not agonizing over this like I should be apparently. I just don't care that much for him and my sig pretty much gives my stance on things.

Because WCW's attitude towards its own midcard is such a great model for WWE to emulate, since we all know what happened to it?

[Mecca]

Aug 4, 2009 8:39:57 GMT -5 Randy Barber 4-Life said:

Aug 4, 2009 8:35:30 GMT -5 AriadosMan said:

Dude, aren't you a mark for Goldberg burying Jericho? Do you really enjoy seeing midcarders run over?

You keep equating Miz with ALL midcarders. Some of us just don't like Miz. Disliking Miz doesn't mean you want to fire all midcarders and just have a two hour long main event every Monday.

It's not so much that as I've seen the way Raw books in general get defended and they basically bury all midcarders...

Triple H/MVP Miz/Cena etc etc, if the only one you are fine with is the Miz one cause you don't like him that puts you in a different spot obviously.

[AriadosMan]

That and the fact that RAW fans are at this point more marks for stupid comedic skits than they are for wrestling.

Seriously, the WWE roster is getting paper-thin. They're trying to support THREE brands and they have less guys than they did when they were trying to support ONE in Attitude.

Besides, this type of "good riddance" post also appeared for Umaga and Kennedy in addition to TBK and Miz. ANY Midcarder on RAW gets treated (and regarded) as crap.

[Mecca]

Aug 4, 2009 8:46:30 GMT -5 AriadosMan said:

That and the fact that RAW fans are at this point more marks for stupid comedic skits than they are for wrestling.

Seriously, the WWE roster is getting paper-thin. They're trying to support THREE brands and they have less guys than they did when they were trying to support ONE in Attitude.

Besides, this type of "good riddance" post also appeared for Umaga and Kennedy in addition to TBK and Miz. ANY Midcarder on RAW gets treated (and regarded) as crap.

I mean there are different kinds of fans but when I see people think it's perfectly acceptable for H to smack MVP around and for Miz to look stupid then turn around and say what they do with Hornswoggle is fine that makes my head hurt, I don't get it.

[Push R Truth]

Aug 4, 2009 8:46:30 GMT -5 AriadosMan said:

That and the fact that RAW fans are at this point more marks for stupid comedic skits than they are for wrestling.

Seriously, the WWE roster is getting paper-thin. They're trying to support THREE brands and they have less guys than they did when they were trying to support ONE in Attitude.

Besides, this type of "good riddance" post also appeared for Umaga and Kennedy in addition to TBK and Miz. ANY Midcarder on RAW gets treated (and regarded) as crap.

You have a good argument, and I agree with most of it.



But did you REALLY have bury every single RAW Fan?

[Mecca]

Aug 4, 2009 8:55:50 GMT -5 Push R Truth said:

Aug 4, 2009 8:46:30 GMT -5 AriadosMan said:

That and the fact that RAW fans are at this point more marks for stupid comedic skits than they are for wrestling.

Seriously, the WWE roster is getting paper-thin. They're trying to support THREE brands and they have less guys than they did when they were trying to support ONE in Attitude.

Besides, this type of "good riddance" post also appeared for Umaga and Kennedy in addition to TBK and Miz. ANY Midcarder on RAW gets treated (and regarded) as crap.

You have a good argument, and I agree with most of it.



But did you REALLY have bury every single RAW Fan?

Well obviously not every fan is like that but it seems the majority of them on this forum do the thing he was talking about.

[AriadosMan]

Okay, I probably shouldn't have used that exact term, but at this point RAW is barely resembling a wrestling show.
And you do have to admit some people here really stretch to defend the way RAW is booked.

And the "good riddance" DO appear for any midcarder who leaves. Seriously. People now are acting like they love Masters but he got plenty when he got endeavored.

[Randy Barber 4-Life]

Aug 4, 2009 8:46:30 GMT -5 AriadosMan said:

That and the fact that RAW fans are at this point more marks for stupid comedic skits than they are for wrestling.

Seriously, the WWE roster is getting paper-thin. They're trying to support THREE brands and they have less guys than they did when they were trying to support ONE in Attitude.

Besides, this type of "good riddance" post also appeared for Umaga and Kennedy in addition to TBK and Miz. ANY Midcarder on RAW gets treated (and regarded) as crap.

I'm very down on RAW right now, I'm basically tuning in out of habit and the fact that there's just nothing else on in that slot right now. I just don't think Miz was the answer. I liked Umaga and Kennedy, and was disappointed they were cut. I wasn't a huge TBK fan but I didn't like him being jobbed out to Lawler. But you're painting anybody who dislikes Miz and for that matter now anyone who watches RAW with a very broad brush, and it's not that simple.

[Mecca]

Aug 4, 2009 9:01:26 GMT -5 Randy Barber 4-Life said:

Aug 4, 2009 8:46:30 GMT -5 AriadosMan said:

That and the fact that RAW fans are at this point more marks for stupid comedic skits than they are for wrestling.

Seriously, the WWE roster is getting paper-thin. They're trying to support THREE brands and they have less guys than they did when they were trying to support ONE in Attitude.

Besides, this type of "good riddance" post also appeared for Umaga and Kennedy in addition to TBK and Miz. ANY Midcarder on RAW gets treated (and regarded) as crap.

I'm very down on RAW right now, I'm basically tuning in out of habit and the fact that there's just nothing else on in that slot right now. I just don't think Miz was the answer. I liked Umaga and Kennedy, and was disappointed they were cut. I wasn't a huge TBK fan but I didn't like him being jobbed out to Lawler. But you're painting anybody who dislikes Miz and for that matter now anyone who watches RAW with a very broad brush, and it's not that simple.

Well on this forum the majority generally will defend Raw I think that's why he's coming from that angle.

This is probably the worst I can ever remember Raw being and I was watching monday night wrestling when it was prime time wrestling.

[AriadosMan]

Aug 4, 2009 9:01:26 GMT -5 Randy Barber 4-Life said:

I'm very down on RAW right now, I'm basically tuning in out of habit and the fact that there's just nothing else on in that slot right now. I just don't think Miz was the answer. I liked Umaga and Kennedy, and was disappointed they were cut. I wasn't a huge TBK fan but I didn't like him being jobbed out to Lawler. But you're painting anybody who dislikes Miz and for that matter now anyone who watches RAW with a very broad brush, and it's not that simple.

If you were just starting out watching wrestling, what do you think you would think of anyone on RAW not named HHH, Cena, Orton or Batista? I don't even blame you for not marking out over them when WWE's booking gives you nothing to mark out over.
I'm in the same boat on Legacy, people keep going on about how Ted & Cody have such "great personalities" but all I get to see are the Mighty Ortonbots.

[Mecca]

I think guys like MVP and Jack Swagger have major mainevent potential..on Raw they are basically after thoughts, I will never understand it.