El Pollo Guerrera
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Sept 11, 2009 23:41:01 GMT -5
On an artistic front (since writer Peter David was involved in the overall run), I think Jeff Purve's run as penciler on the Hulk is criminally underrated. To me, his Mr. Fixit/gray Hulk is the standard by which none of the other gray Hulks can compete. Keown was great, but didn't really sit well with me until they brought back the green version. I loved the Mr. Fixit run... where did Purves go after that? Everybody loved the Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale books (Batman: Long Halloween, Hulk: Grey, etc.) but no one seems to remember their first work together, the "Challengers of the Unknown" miniseries. Great story, with a 'redefinition' of the Chals that DC should have stayed with.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Sept 11, 2009 23:57:51 GMT -5
Also, Peter David's run on Young Justice is sadly a forgotten book. Not really, YJ still has a large fanbase. Its just that Dido and the rest of Editorial hate it and try thier best to bury whenever they can.
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Post by delurked on Sept 12, 2009 0:21:47 GMT -5
Kelly Puckett and Mike Parobeck (RIP) on "Batman Adventures" Keith Giffen's "The Heckler" Roger Stern's entire "Avengers" run, but especially the issues John Buscema did breakdowns for (Stern in general is underappreciated I think)
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Sept 12, 2009 0:39:18 GMT -5
I have to agree with Madison about Scott Lobdell on X Men.
Scott Lobdell wrote one of my favourite moments in Uncanny with Cannonball when he kicked Gladiator's ass.
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Post by The Charismatic Enabeler on Sept 12, 2009 0:46:31 GMT -5
Priest on Quantum And Woody. Largely forgotten but so entertaining. Funny considering the post above me
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 12, 2009 0:48:15 GMT -5
On an artistic front (since writer Peter David was involved in the overall run), I think Jeff Purve's run as penciler on the Hulk is criminally underrated. To me, his Mr. Fixit/gray Hulk is the standard by which none of the other gray Hulks can compete. Keown was great, but didn't really sit well with me until they brought back the green version. I loved the Mr. Fixit run... where did Purves go after that? I've heard he went into animation, but not sure really. Some others: John Byrne's Namor and Avengers West Coast. Both were excellent reads for long-time geeks and ended far too soon. The entire run of Hellstorm back in the 90s, by Rafael Nieves followed by Len Kaminski followed by Warren Ellis. Just an outstanding book that, even going through 3 writers in the span of as many years, still remains (to me) as Marvel's best foray into "Vertigo" territory.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Sept 12, 2009 0:51:12 GMT -5
The entire run of Hellstorm back in the 90s, by Rafael Nieves followed by Len Kaminski followed by Warren Ellis. Just an outstanding book that, even going through 3 writers in the span of as many years, still remains (to me) as Marvel's best foray into "Vertigo" territory. Agreed. Most people say Punisher MAX was Marvel's best foray into Vertigo type stuff but Hellstorm was much better.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 12, 2009 0:55:51 GMT -5
Priest on Quantum And Woody. Largely forgotten but so entertaining. Funny considering the post above me Priest, period. Whether it was as Jim Owsley, Christopher Priest or just Priest, the man is one of the most terribly underrated and criminally unused writers in the business. His Power Man & Iron Fist, Black Panther..just great stuff. Plus he created this guy, which makes him better than pretty much anyone:
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 12, 2009 0:58:59 GMT -5
Also, Peter David's run on Young Justice is sadly a forgotten book. Not really, YJ still has a large fanbase. Its just that Dido and the rest of Editorial hate it and try thier best to bury whenever they can. Isn't the guy's name Didio? Not that the singer Dido hating Young Justice wouldn't be hilarious.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Sept 12, 2009 1:01:42 GMT -5
Joe Kelly on JLA.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Sept 12, 2009 1:17:26 GMT -5
Not really, YJ still has a large fanbase. Its just that Dido and the rest of Editorial hate it and try thier best to bury whenever they can. Isn't the guy's name Didio? Not that the singer Dido hating Young Justice wouldn't be hilarious. I all ways spell that *String of harsh expletives deleted* wrong.
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El Pollo Guerrera
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Sept 12, 2009 2:28:47 GMT -5
Priest on Quantum And Woody. Largely forgotten but so entertaining. Funny considering the post above me I remember the "Noogie" issue. Y'know, mentioning this book, Mark Bright was an underappreciated artist as well. I loved his run on Iron Man during the original Armor Wars storyline. I might even have his Falcon miniseries from WAY back...
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Sept 12, 2009 2:39:13 GMT -5
Priest on Quantum And Woody. Largely forgotten but so entertaining. Funny considering the post above me Priest, period. Whether it was as Jim Owsley, Christopher Priest or just Priest, the man is one of the most terribly underrated and criminally unused writers in the business. His Power Man & Iron Fist, Black Panther..just great stuff. Plus he created this guy, which makes him better than pretty much anyone: God its so disappointing that the stink of Hudlin's run is going to be on Black Panther for awhile now.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 12, 2009 9:11:47 GMT -5
The International Society of Supervillains sums it up pretty good:"Grant Morrison's New X-Men is about cool and inventive changes to the status quo, which the next writers promptly drop in favor of telling the same damn stories." Never got why they decided to ignore a lot of Morrison's ideas on X-Men. Some of his ideas they eventually ended up with anyway, specifically moving past Xavier and Magento being the two choices mutants have forever. I still think the idea of having mutants flourish and possibly being on the verge of replacing humans as the dominant species was better than "Whoops, hated outcasts again!" And though it often gets overlooked because of the whole Xorn debacle, "Riot at Xavier's" is one of my favorite X-Men stories ever. pretty much. people losing their heads over Magneto, the biggest x-villain ever doing something that was *gasp* villainous need to grow up already. I like to pretend that Xorn really was Magneto and he realized what a tool he was being so he made Wanda use her powers so that people would believe his flimsy excuse. that would've made a lot more sense than what we got instead.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 12, 2009 9:14:32 GMT -5
Priest, period. Whether it was as Jim Owsley, Christopher Priest or just Priest, the man is one of the most terribly underrated and criminally unused writers in the business. His Power Man & Iron Fist, Black Panther..just great stuff. Plus he created this guy, which makes him better than pretty much anyone: God its so disappointing that the stink of Hudlin's run is going to be on Black Panther for awhile now. yeah Hudlin's a moron of epic proportions. I can understand T'Challa keeping technology in Wakanda, but having a cure for freaking CANCER and keeping it to yourself for flimsy reasons based in "respect" automatically makes you an asshole.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Sept 12, 2009 17:58:16 GMT -5
I would add Ron Marz on Green Lantern is an overlooked run in a lot of ways. Speaking of GL, I would have to go with the Len Wein-Dave Gibbons run on GL. In this period, Hal quits the GLC after Carol gave him the "me or your Power Ring" ultimatum, and John Stewart was promoted to full-time GL. It was also around this era that The Predator (who currently appears in Blackest Night) made his first appearance. Following the Wein-Gibbons era, Englehart and Staton took over GL, and fleshed out John's character, and after the Crisis, made Sinestro a SERIOUS and credible threat to the Corps. If you thought that Sinestro was evil and manipulative post-Rebirth, check out GLC 217-219, in which he teams up with Sector 3600 (yes, an entire space sector) to destroy the Corps.
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Post by ICBM on Sept 12, 2009 20:08:50 GMT -5
Never got why they decided to ignore a lot of Morrison's ideas on X-Men. Some of his ideas they eventually ended up with anyway, specifically moving past Xavier and Magento being the two choices mutants have forever. I still think the idea of having mutants flourish and possibly being on the verge of replacing humans as the dominant species was better than "Whoops, hated outcasts again!" And though it often gets overlooked because of the whole Xorn debacle, "Riot at Xavier's" is one of my favorite X-Men stories ever. pretty much. people losing their heads over Magneto, the biggest x-villain ever doing something that was *gasp* villainous need to grow up already. I like to pretend that Xorn really was Magneto and he realized what a tool he was being so he made Wanda use her powers so that people would believe his flimsy excuse. that would've made a lot more sense than what we got instead. I thought exactly what you posted when I read those issues. He was always a villain. If you decide to help a snake get well and he bites you, don't be suprized and act as if he owed you something. He is still a snake
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 12, 2009 20:12:33 GMT -5
pretty much. people losing their heads over Magneto, the biggest x-villain ever doing something that was *gasp* villainous need to grow up already. I like to pretend that Xorn really was Magneto and he realized what a tool he was being so he made Wanda use her powers so that people would believe his flimsy excuse. that would've made a lot more sense than what we got instead. I thought exactly what you posted when I read those issues. He was always a villain. If you decide to help a snake get well and he bites you, don't be suprized and act as if he owed you something. He is still a snake yeah and they had plenty of time before that to turn him good if they had wanted.
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Post by Jiren on Sept 12, 2009 20:47:43 GMT -5
Never got why they decided to ignore a lot of Morrison's ideas on X-Men. Some of his ideas they eventually ended up with anyway, specifically moving past Xavier and Magento being the two choices mutants have forever. I still think the idea of having mutants flourish and possibly being on the verge of replacing humans as the dominant species was better than "Whoops, hated outcasts again!" And though it often gets overlooked because of the whole Xorn debacle, "Riot at Xavier's" is one of my favorite X-Men stories ever. pretty much. people losing their heads over Magneto, the biggest x-villain ever doing something that was *gasp* villainous need to grow up already. I like to pretend that Xorn really was Magneto and he realized what a tool he was being so he made Wanda use her powers so that people would believe his flimsy excuse. that would've made a lot more sense than what we got instead. I thought what they did with Xorn was just dumb "Xorn was Magneto all along" was an awesome twist.
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Post by ICBM on Sept 12, 2009 21:34:38 GMT -5
Morridon and Quietly's fays of the future now arc was fantastic and dosn't get the priase it deserves because Marvel still hates what they did. They broke convention and it worked. How do they get rewarded? they are Un-persons
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