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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Sept 11, 2009 15:06:57 GMT -5
Whereupon we discuss various creative runs that somehow fall through the cracks of public acclaim. Yes, yes...we all know of Frank Miller's Daredevil, and everyone these days gushes over Geoff Johns' Green Lantern...but howzabout we talk about some other good, good books? I decided to start this after beginning to re-read Bruce Jones' run on The Incredible Hulk (34-77). I remember it getting a big kick-off with the "Return of The Monster" campaign, but since Greg Pak took over the Hulk, it seems people don't talk about Jones' work. I thought it had a great "man on the run" vibe, like the TV show or last year's movie, had a really interesting take on the Absorbing Man and also had a solid mix of art styles (Romita Jr, Lee Weeks, Mike Deodato Jr). On top of that, the Kaare Andrews covers were some of the coolest of the decade.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Sept 11, 2009 15:16:43 GMT -5
Whereupon we discuss various creative runs that somehow fall through the cracks of public acclaim. Yes, yes...we all know of Frank Miller's Daredevil, and everyone these days gushes over Geoff Johns' Green Lantern...but howzabout we talk about some other good, good books? I decided to start this after beginning to re-read Bruce Jones' run on The Incredible Hulk (34-77). I remember it getting a big kick-off with the "Return of The Monster" campaign, but since Greg Pak took over the Hulk, it seems people don't talk about Jones' work. I thought it had a great "man on the run" vibe, like the TV show or last year's movie, had a really interesting take on the Absorbing Man and also had a solid mix of art styles (Romita Jr, Lee Weeks, Mike Deodato Jr). On top of that, the Kaare Andrews covers were some of the coolest of the decade. I loved Bruce Jones's run on The Hulk. The stories were so incredible! (Pun intended.) Also, those are some of the best covers. And, I mean of all time; that's how good they are.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Sept 11, 2009 15:21:51 GMT -5
Mark Waids run on Flash, everyone ignores it in favor of Johns work on the title.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 11, 2009 15:48:11 GMT -5
Karl Kesels run as writer on Daredevil. He brought the fun back to DD. Then Joe Kelly came and mucked it up, and Kevin Smith came in and made it dark again.
And dont forget Major Bummer. One of my all time favorites.
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Post by Kananga on Sept 11, 2009 16:45:41 GMT -5
Chris Claremont-New Mutants Louise Simonson-New Mutants Peter Milligan-X-Force/X-Statix
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Sept 11, 2009 16:58:58 GMT -5
Mark Waids run on Flash, everyone ignores it in favor of Johns work on the title. Which is a shame because it's Waid who made Wally the Flash I love. I would add Ron Marz on Green Lantern is an overlooked run in a lot of ways.
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Post by ICBM on Sept 11, 2009 17:00:30 GMT -5
Just from Marvel's standpoint, i'd say Frank Quietly and Grant Morrison's X-Men. Look I loved all things marvel but they (Frank and Grant) did things that almost couldn't be un-done. Magneto's assault on NYC was over the top and they killed it anyway
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 11, 2009 17:17:03 GMT -5
I feel like everything Chuck Dixon ever did was ridiculously overlooked, despite him being the hands-down best writer of Dick Grayson to ever exist.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Sept 11, 2009 17:18:00 GMT -5
John Byrne and Roger Stern's Marvel:The Lost Generation was a good underrated Mini Series.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 11, 2009 17:27:04 GMT -5
Just from Marvel's standpoint, i'd say Frank Quietly and Grant Morrison's X-Men. Look I loved all things marvel but they (Frank and Grant) did things that almost couldn't be un-done. Magneto's assault on NYC was over the top and they killed it anyway I like to pretend that nothing that happened after Grant Morrison's X-men run is canon. its better for my brain that way. I loved Warren Ellis' run on Thunderbolts, but I still think the comic was better when Fabian Nicieza was writing it and it wasn't too dark. I keep hoping against hope that the real Thunderbolts show up and take their name back, because the whole "unlikeable sociopaths do rotten things to good people and don't get any comeuppance" angle is starting to wear on me (this is more a critique of Dark Avengers than the T-bolts themselves). at least Gail Simone's Secret Six had the smarts to make the characters act like human beings.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Sept 11, 2009 17:34:07 GMT -5
Techno, MachV, and Songbird are making an actual Thunderbolts team to go against Norman's. Supposedly Anti-Venom, Puma, and Taskmaster are going to be involved.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 11, 2009 18:28:20 GMT -5
ooh that'll be cool. I marked HARD for Songbird being in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 19:45:48 GMT -5
I liked Joe Kelly and Steven T. Seagle's runs on X-men and Uncanny X-men
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 11, 2009 19:47:09 GMT -5
Gruenwald's run on Captain America for the first 3-4 years. Just a really solid book.
Larsen's Savage Dragon for the first 75 issues or so. Larsen threaded his storylines so well that stuff that happened in, say, issue 4 was still coming back to haunt Dragon years later.
Agreed on the Fab run of T-Bolts. Some of his stuff on the original run faltered a little (mostly due to the Counter-Earth storyline), but the relaunch was awesome.
On an artistic front (since writer Peter David was involved in the overall run), I think Jeff Purve's run as penciler on the Hulk is criminally underrated. To me, his Mr. Fixit/gray Hulk is the standard by which none of the other gray Hulks can compete. Keown was great, but didn't really sit well with me until they brought back the green version.
Fab and Lobdell's X-run. People give it s*** now, mostly because they weren't able to bring closure to the multiple plot threads they kept introducing, but they produced some of the best non-action writing the mutants have ever seen. Jubilee teaching Professor X how to walk again, Cannonball showing Xavier the flaws in the "closed fist/open hand" approach, Scott and Jean's wedding...just some really wonderful stuff.
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Post by Paul Servo on Sept 11, 2009 19:56:41 GMT -5
Fabien on NOMAD. Book only lasted about 13 issues (17 if you count the intro miniseries), but it was one of my favorite books that came out at the time. Jack Monroe was given a good ending in it, only to have Fab make him the new Scourge in T-bolts and then die by Winter Solider
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 11, 2009 19:58:52 GMT -5
Gruenwald's run on Captain America for the first 3-4 years. Just a really solid book. Larsen's Savage Dragon for the first 75 issues or so. Larsen threaded his storylines so well that stuff that happened in, say, issue 4 was still coming back to haunt Dragon years later. Agreed on the Fab run of T-Bolts. Some of his stuff on the original run faltered a little (mostly due to the Counter-Earth storyline), but the relaunch was awesome. On an artistic front (since writer Peter David was involved in the overall run), I think Jeff Purve's run as penciler on the Hulk is criminally underrated. To me, his Mr. Fixit/gray Hulk is the standard by which none of the other gray Hulks can compete. Keown was great, but didn't really sit well with me until they brought back the green version. Fab and Lobdell's X-run. People give it s*** now, mostly because they weren't able to bring closure to the multiple plot threads they kept introducing, but they produced some of the best non-action writing the mutants have ever seen. Jubilee teaching Professor X how to walk again, Cannonball showing Xavier the flaws in the "closed fist/open hand" approach, Scott and Jean's wedding...just some really wonderful stuff. I liked the Fab/Lobdell run, too. hey, those guys were responsible for Age of Apocalypse! I figure most people didn't like it just because they weren't Chris Claremont ('course, he himself took the same attitude when he came back).
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 11, 2009 20:22:28 GMT -5
Just from Marvel's standpoint, i'd say Frank Quietly and Grant Morrison's X-Men. Look I loved all things marvel but they (Frank and Grant) did things that almost couldn't be un-done. Magneto's assault on NYC was over the top and they killed it anyway The International Society of Supervillains sums it up pretty good:"Grant Morrison's New X-Men is about cool and inventive changes to the status quo, which the next writers promptly drop in favor of telling the same damn stories."
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Sept 11, 2009 20:37:36 GMT -5
Just from Marvel's standpoint, i'd say Frank Quietly and Grant Morrison's X-Men. Look I loved all things marvel but they (Frank and Grant) did things that almost couldn't be un-done. Magneto's assault on NYC was over the top and they killed it anyway The International Society of Supervillains sums it up pretty good:"Grant Morrison's New X-Men is about cool and inventive changes to the status quo, which the next writers promptly drop in favor of telling the same damn stories." Never got why they decided to ignore a lot of Morrison's ideas on X-Men. Some of his ideas they eventually ended up with anyway, specifically moving past Xavier and Magento being the two choices mutants have forever. I still think the idea of having mutants flourish and possibly being on the verge of replacing humans as the dominant species was better than "Whoops, hated outcasts again!" And though it often gets overlooked because of the whole Xorn debacle, "Riot at Xavier's" is one of my favorite X-Men stories ever.
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Post by cactussam on Sept 11, 2009 21:21:31 GMT -5
The Andy Lanning/Dan Abnett run of Superman combined with their Mr. Majestic run is fantastic, and most have forgotten about it.
Also, Peter David's run on Young Justice is sadly a forgotten book.
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Post by The Divan Kopile on Sept 11, 2009 23:23:08 GMT -5
man ain't no one overlook Grant Morrison's run on X-Men but way too many people overlook the Ann Nocenti/John Romita Jr. run on Daredevil I mean, it gave us this: and anything involving blind lawyers decapitating robots with sticks just can't be bad. Other than that: Bendis' run on Sam and Twitch. Yes, he went way too insane with copy/paste panels of just a head and a line of dialogue. Yes the text balloons were awful. Yes it was based on Spawn. Yes the art was incredibly 90's. But man it was some dang good crime comics. and it gave me this scene (linked for language) i19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/thelovelybastard/SAMandTWITCH003.jpgi19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/thelovelybastard/SAMandTWITCH001.jpgHowever the most criminally overlooked anything (until internet sites got hold of it) was Herbie. Dang it is the best comedy book ever written. Here is proof
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