Cena won by DQ?!

[SEND FOR THE MAN!!!]

Was I the only one confused by the end of the main event tonight? Cena/Jericho are wrestling and Orton just walks in and it's an automatic DQ? He didn't attack either wrestler, and somehow causes Jericho to lose. Perhaps the ref heard the voices in his head and they were saying naughty things about Cena? Thoughts?

[Brick Killed a Guy]

I feel like Jericho was supposed to win due to Orton's interference, but the timekeeper rang the bell too soon and the ref and wrestlers had to improvise.

[Bubble Lead]

Aug 11, 2009 2:07:11 GMT -5 Brick Killed a Guy said:

I feel like Jericho was supposed to win due to Orton's interference, but the timekeeper rang the bell too soon and the ref and wrestlers had to improvise.

Nah, the ref signaled for the bell to be rung.

[Brick Killed a Guy]

Aug 11, 2009 2:13:15 GMT -5 Bubble Lead said:

Aug 11, 2009 2:07:11 GMT -5 Brick Killed a Guy said:

I feel like Jericho was supposed to win due to Orton's interference, but the timekeeper rang the bell too soon and the ref and wrestlers had to improvise.

Nah, the ref signaled for the bell to be rung.

ahh, didn't see that part. Either way, it seemed like everyone paused for a moment, which made the ending awkward until Jericho hit Orton.

[Bubble Lead]

Aug 11, 2009 2:16:42 GMT -5 Brick Killed a Guy said:

Aug 11, 2009 2:13:15 GMT -5 Bubble Lead said:

Nah, the ref signaled for the bell to be rung.

ahh, didn't see that part. Either way, it seemed like everyone paused for a moment, which made the ending awkward until Jericho hit Orton.

Yeah it seemed awkward to me too, it would have confused me less if the ref hadnt called for the bell actually. I would have then assumed it was just a screw up by the timekeeper.

I hate really contrived endings like these. Orton could have just thrown the ref out of the ring making the match a no contest or something...it just makes me think [when im in mark mode, which i try to force myself to be while watching as much as I can] that the ref sucks at his job, if he had waited a few more seconds Jericho was tapping anyway.

[Mozenrath]

The announcers seemed a little confused.

I just figure Orton didn't care if he got Jericho DQ'd, after all, nothing was riding on that match. He just came out to screw Cena over.

[4real]

If anything I didn't understand why Orton RKO'ed Jericho instead of attacking Cena.

[Mozenrath]

Aug 11, 2009 8:00:27 GMT -5 4real said:

If anything I didn't understand why Orton RKO'ed Jericho instead of attacking Cena.

I just figure since Big Show and him were going out of their way to make things tough for him. Not in his interest to provoke Cena prematurely and make things hard on himself next week.

[Crappler El 0 M]

I've noticed a trend with calling for the bell in seemingly incorrect times and apparently disqualifying someone when they never would have done it in the '80s or '90s. In the past you had to make contact with someone, otherwise how would the referee know who needed to be disqualified. The referee in the past would be distracted by an outsider coming out to the ring and would tell him to leave or get out of the ring. There have been other instances over the past couple of years with similar decisions by the referee that go against all precedent. It bothers me.

[Pushed to the Moon]

It's just another anti-Jericho conspiracy dammit!!!!

[Mozenrath]

Aug 11, 2009 8:58:48 GMT -5 Crappler El 0 M said:

I've noticed a trend with calling for the bell in seemingly incorrect times and apparently disqualifying someone when they never would have done it in the '80s or '90s. In the past you had to make contact with someone, otherwise how would the referee know who needed to be disqualified. The referee in the past would be distracted by an outsider coming out to the ring and would tell him to leave or get out of the ring. There have been other instances over the past couple of years with similar decisions by the referee that go against all precedent. It bothers me.

Though, the 90s would screw it up sometimes, too. Hell, in some cases, interference wouldn't get you DQ'd unless you actually hit the guy, sort of like managers climbing on the apron and getting punched doesn't DQ them. However, though, this eventually got silly as hell, with guys sliding in the ring, and getting hit out of it without the bell ringing.

Then again, let's just be glad we're not on WCW levels of "huh?" yet.

[no2humanorchid]

I didn't understand a couple of weeks ago on Raw when Ted Dibiase was up on the apron distracting HHH when he was facing Cody Rhodes in the Beat The Clock match, and they were saying that if HHH connected with Dibiase it would result in a disqualification. Did I miss something there???

[Cactus Jack]

They've been doing this a lot recently. I preferred when you couldn't get DQ'd unless someone actually physically touched the other guy.

[Crappler El 0 M]

Aug 11, 2009 9:15:42 GMT -5 Cactus Jack said:

They've been doing this a lot recently. I preferred when you couldn't get DQ'd unless someone actually physically touched the other guy.

Yeah, because how would they know who needed to be disqualified if all an outsider does is stand in the ring or on the apron?

[Krimzon]

I'm just glad the wrestlers are hip to the new rules. Had Cena attacked Orton, no question Cena would've been DQed, giving the victory to Jericho. That John Cena is a real student of the game.

......

STOP RE-WRITING THE RULES!!!

[Mozenrath]

I think worst WWE has been about this in recent years was a Khali match ending because Tommy Dreamer showed up and hit Daivari with a chair. Daivari is not the competitor. Dreamer never touched Khali. It was ridiculous.

[Paul E. Funk]

Aug 11, 2009 9:03:50 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Aug 11, 2009 8:58:48 GMT -5 Crappler El 0 M said:

I've noticed a trend with calling for the bell in seemingly incorrect times and apparently disqualifying someone when they never would have done it in the '80s or '90s. In the past you had to make contact with someone, otherwise how would the referee know who needed to be disqualified. The referee in the past would be distracted by an outsider coming out to the ring and would tell him to leave or get out of the ring. There have been other instances over the past couple of years with similar decisions by the referee that go against all precedent. It bothers me.

Though, the 90s would screw it up sometimes, too. Hell, in some cases, interference wouldn't get you DQ'd unless you actually hit the guy, sort of like managers climbing on the apron and getting punched doesn't DQ them. However, though, this eventually got silly as hell, with guys sliding in the ring, and getting hit out of it without the bell ringing.

Then again, let's just be glad we're not on WCW levels of "huh?" yet.

Although WCW did get it right once. I believe it was when Luger beat Hogan for the title on Nitro and there was a mass nWo run in BUT nobody touched Luger, Hogan or the Ref i.e the legal men in the match. Luger hit a few shots on the interfering parties then beat Hogan (I think) with The Rack. No DQ was called for as none of the legal men had been touched which is the fundamental rule when it comes to disqualifications. If a competitor in the match is physically attacked then that guy wins the match, otherwise the match continues.

Somebody's probably going to tell me that WCW screwed that bit of booking up by reversing the decision the week later, I honestly can't remember the fallout from that match but it made sense to me at the time.

[mrjl]

Aug 11, 2009 9:03:50 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Aug 11, 2009 8:58:48 GMT -5 Crappler El 0 M said:

I've noticed a trend with calling for the bell in seemingly incorrect times and apparently disqualifying someone when they never would have done it in the '80s or '90s. In the past you had to make contact with someone, otherwise how would the referee know who needed to be disqualified. The referee in the past would be distracted by an outsider coming out to the ring and would tell him to leave or get out of the ring. There have been other instances over the past couple of years with similar decisions by the referee that go against all precedent. It bothers me.

Though, the 90s would screw it up sometimes, too. Hell, in some cases, interference wouldn't get you DQ'd unless you actually hit the guy, sort of like managers climbing on the apron and getting punched doesn't DQ them. However, though, this eventually got silly as hell, with guys sliding in the ring, and getting hit out of it without the bell ringing.

Then again, let's just be glad we're not on WCW levels of "huh?" yet.

one of the Dusty finishes that happened inthe NWA in the 80's was Tommy Young calling for the bell the SECOND Arn came into the ring but was knocked out. That was the only way they could justify nullifying Dusty's pinfall.

[hbk4ever09]

Pro wrestling 101: There are no rules for refs to follow.

[Bubble Lead]

Aug 11, 2009 17:23:57 GMT -5 hbk4ever09 said:

Pro wrestling 101: There are no rules for refs to follow.

Well, its more like there is a set of rules, but the excuse typically given is the referee is using discretion.

Like times when the ref will let both guys fight in the crowd and whatnot during a title match and will not count them out, or let them put guys through tables outside the ring and such and not DQ them.

Its stupid and lazy, really. It just makes me hate the refs when it happens. Although I should really be disliking the writers for not taking one extra minute to come up with a more logical finish.