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Post by spagett on Sept 3, 2009 7:36:35 GMT -5
I don't think people bemoaned HHH beating Goldberg at Summer Slam because of the sledgehammer, so much as Trips had a pulled groin that required two months of rehab and went over anyway. Then he wrestled a carefully-booked 10 minute match to drop the title with 1/10th the heat a month later and didn't wrestle again until Survivor Series. There was really no defending that booking in lieu of the injury. A healthy HHH who could carry on a full program? Definitely a great swerve. A bicycle shorts-wearing Game with a bad pecker doing one move to beat a guy who ran roughshod over every other guy in the match, only to not wrestle a full schedule for 3 months? Not so much. THIS. You have to remember the situation back then as to why so many people hated Triple H retaining. He had been Champion for about 8 or 9 months pretty much and was having crappier and crappier feuds and matches as the months went on. It truly was a reign of doom. Then he pulls a groin muscle andnas the crowd reactions at Summerslam showed Goldberg was over, probably more over in the WWE than at any other point in his year. So surely it makes sense with Triple H hurt and Goldberg having all this momentum for him to drop the belt. Instead as TruthTeller says he kept the belt proceeded to wrestle another average match a month later to a dead crowd and the momentum was gone.
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Hiroshi Hase
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 3, 2009 10:23:59 GMT -5
I didn't think he had a bad run at all, they protected him and he did fairly well for himself minus his last match of course.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Sept 3, 2009 10:52:19 GMT -5
I didn't think he had a bad run at all, they protected him and he did fairly well for himself minus his last match of course. That last match at WM20 was mostly Lesnar's fault, since he let it known that he's pulling a David Caruso and leaving the WWE after the match. I don't know why so many people (including RD) would get so butthurt over the wig schtitck.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 3, 2009 10:56:33 GMT -5
I didn't think he had a bad run at all, they protected him and he did fairly well for himself minus his last match of course. That last match at WM20 was mostly Lesnar's fault, since he let it known that he's pulling a David Caruso and leaving the WWE after the match. I don't know why so many people (including RD) would get so butthurt over the wig schtitck. I didn't see anything wrong with the wig thing myself, if Goldberg was dancing around like a goof in it, then I would say it harmed him but he just stood there and no sold it from what I recall.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 3, 2009 11:08:44 GMT -5
The thing I remember most about Goldbergs run in WWE was that he would come out to a huge pop. The fans would go nuts. Then if his match would go for more then 5 minutes the fans would turn on him and he would get booed out of the building.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 11:24:43 GMT -5
I thought it was handled fine.
The big thing about Goldberg was always the buildup, him moving up the card just beating everyone. Even in WCW, once he was champ, there really wasn't anything particularly exciting for him.
In WWE they skipped the buildup, he debuted right in the main event. Now, it'd be kinda awkward if they did the exact same storyline with him starting from the bottom and going up for the next year...the fans already saw it, they knew who he was. Not really anyone's fault, but that's how it was, so his second run was doomed to be "subpar"
I think WWE knew this too, so they had to try to stretch his title chase as much as they could. It was tricky since he just appeared right there in the main event scene, so they've gotta use him as such without handing him the title (once he has the title for a bit, it's boring, he needs to chase), yet without him doing clean jobs either which would ruin the character.
So I'll defend it by saying that given the situation, WWE handled it quite well. They could have done some things differently, but really, there's about 25,000 things they've done worse than the way they handled Goldberg.
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Post by Jay Carroll on Sept 3, 2009 12:15:24 GMT -5
I never understood they only used his original WCW music for a few nights. that music is some scary intimidating s*** It's stock music, so the WWE used a version they made so they didn't have to pay anyone else.
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Post by Ragnal on Sept 3, 2009 12:21:25 GMT -5
I never understood they only used his original WCW music for a few nights. that music is some scary intimidating s*** It's stock music, so the WWE used a version they made so they didn't have to pay anyone else. Not to mention I thought the WWE version was better and more intimidating.
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Post by CMWaters on Sept 3, 2009 12:36:15 GMT -5
His WWE made theme to compare.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Sept 3, 2009 13:41:44 GMT -5
Let's be honest here, Goldberg was ALL hype. The only thing interestibg about him was his streak, and once it ended, there wasn't really anywhere to go. Didn't have a gimmick with any longetivity. So I take it you're experience with Goldberg wasn't watching WCW weekly and it was just diatribe from a reviewer or WWE's assumption of the guy. When HHH got injured everybody was mad because he was the best in the business. When he came back and had crappy match and crappy feuds to match people got pissed. I think If Goldberg won he'd have been a bigger deal, but the storyline wasn't about now Goldberg is champ, it was how's HHH getting the belt back
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Post by Tombi on Sept 3, 2009 13:44:57 GMT -5
His WWE made theme to compare. I think it's a hell of a lot better, personally. Turns the intimidation factor right up to 11.
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Post by VeggieOverlord on Sept 3, 2009 14:09:19 GMT -5
Other than the shenanigans in the chamber at SS 2003, it was good.
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Post by doinkmark on Sept 3, 2009 14:54:22 GMT -5
Goldberg's WWF run wasn't bad. He beat some of the company's top stars, won the belt, and went out with a win at WrestleMania. The only problem with his run is that it simply could have been much, much bigger and better than it was.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 3, 2009 14:59:28 GMT -5
It was actually way better than it had any right to be. Let's face it, they knew going in he was there for 1 year. In that time he had only 2 real uses: Jobbing out to Austin, and jobbing out to Brock Lesnar. The irony is that due to circumstances neither really happened. Austin was basically retired at that point, or in a commish type role. And once they did the Lesnar angle Brock was leaving so they had that hideous match at WM and Goldberg actually won.
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Post by stevieraymark on Sept 3, 2009 15:30:43 GMT -5
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THIS.
You have to remember the situation back then as to why so many people hated Triple H retaining.
He had been Champion for about 8 or 9 months pretty much and was having crappier and crappier feuds and matches as the months went on. It truly was a reign of doom. [/quote]
His feuds didnt get crappier though, Sure his matches with Steiner sucked, But Shawn Michaels wouldnt have been able to get a good match out of Steiner in that shape.
The Booker T feud sucked but thats because Booker T shouldnt have been anywhere near that level and noone (except the internet) bought him as a main eventer.
Then he moved on to a brilliant feud with Nash which brought tv ratings up, Made WWE a hell of a lot of money, And culminated in a FANTASTIC HIAC match which scored a HUGE buyrate (funny how noone complained about burials when HHH got the win this time eh). But of course because this is the internet and it contains Nash and (to a lesser extent) HHH then it automatically sucked. As for the Goldberg feud i cant remember that much about it but their Survivor Series match was damn good and (surprise surprise) doesnt get the credit it deserves.
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Post by Bobafett on Sept 3, 2009 18:10:33 GMT -5
to be honest f he had won the title at summerslam it woulda been considered better
btw on HHH's shorts, you'd think he'd have temporary wore tights (a la Booker T at rumble 06 ) to hide the fact he was wearing a support
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Post by stormwrestling on Sept 3, 2009 18:17:01 GMT -5
It's stock music, so the WWE used a version they made so they didn't have to pay anyone else. Not to mention I thought the WWE version was better and more intimidating. I couldn't disagree more Such a shame they changed it.
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Post by Fade on Sept 3, 2009 19:40:27 GMT -5
Goldberg's WWF run wasn't bad. He beat some of the company's top stars, won the belt, and went out with a win at WrestleMania. The only problem with his run is that it simply could have been much, much bigger and better than it was. That's how I felt...In hindsight, I'm still like "It's Friggin Goldberg. In the WWE". It felt like it should have been a lot bigger. The start, going over Rock was probably a good way to begin his run. But I think being on the same show as HHH hurt his run alot. Also, It seriously bummed me out we never got to see Undertaker/Goldberg.
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Post by Albino Heat on Sept 4, 2009 1:11:42 GMT -5
It was as good as it could have been. You either had to have Goldberg be chasing the title constantly or holding the title. Midcarders don't stand a chance against him, so any feud not against top tier talent is a waste. That severely limits options with him.
My fantasy booking at that time was to have newly unmasked Kane snap and beat HHH for the title, be the ultimate monster who would destroy both face and heel, and hold the belt until Wrestlemania. Goldberg would have faced him at Wrestlemania and beat him for the title.
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Post by David Otunga: Eternian at Law on Sept 4, 2009 1:59:35 GMT -5
I have this to say about Goldberg's WWE run, the only thing worse was his WCW run, and Gillberg had a better WWE run.
At least Dwayne Gill knew he was in just a joke run, and went with it. Goldberg still doesn't know his WWE run was a bigger joke than his WCW run.
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