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Post by Tyfo on Sept 29, 2005 9:44:22 GMT -5
did anyone else see Vince and Linda McMahon, Hogan and Austin on CNBC last night? At one point when it was just Vince and Linda, the host mentioned they had an Arab charecter on their show and they showed a picture of Hassan, and the host asked why it didnt work out.
Vince talked about how Fox was doing a show that had an Arab cell in the US, etc. But he said that in the end it really didnt work because of more or less the person playing the charecter.
I guess now that Mark Copani has departed, he will be used as the scapegoat.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Sept 29, 2005 9:46:50 GMT -5
You didn't really think Vince was going to blame himself or the company for what happened, did you?
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Post by Tyfo on Sept 29, 2005 9:53:04 GMT -5
i thought UPN and/or all the people who complained would take the blame. Thats who Im blaming for the former Muhammed Hassan's demise, he would probably be World Heavyweight Champion after SummerSlam, because you know how Vince loves the controversy(see JBL-Germany incident and then the 2004 Great American Bash)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2005 10:34:21 GMT -5
I never knew Mark Copani was one of the writers.
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Post by slick on Sept 29, 2005 10:43:41 GMT -5
The character didnt work out?
Maybe it was because Hassan was starting to get over with the fans.
I guess Vince didnt count on an Arab wrestler getting cheered by the fans.
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Post by admiralcrunchy™ on Sept 29, 2005 10:59:35 GMT -5
Yeah...if a character starts stealing Cena's fans...it's pretty much bye bye for them.
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Post by OtisMaximus on Sept 29, 2005 11:36:36 GMT -5
I think really though it the split was equal cause if he wanted to go act there was no way he could maintain heel heat and take large ammounts of time off. Specially when he wasn't all the way over with fans.
Then on the WWE's side if they are getting network heat specially after the London bombings then it's easier to take him off tv and let him go his own way rather then tweek the angle and they did it in a way to remind people what a "unstopable force" the Taker is. So really it worked out well for all sides.
And I don't think he was taking too many of Cena's fans. Cean is pretty over and if you've ever seen him live you know he's really over.
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Post by premiumcream on Sept 29, 2005 12:20:13 GMT -5
I hate Vince more and more every day.
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Post by amsiraK on Sept 29, 2005 13:18:59 GMT -5
I don't get it... but I do.
This ended so amicably and Vince hates things being open-ended. Plus, he REALLY hates the idea that something might have been faulty with the production, so he blames the guy.
As much as I cringe at quoting him, I caught the Hulk Hogan True Hollywood Story a while ago and he mentioned something that rings true here. Vince likes closure. In the steroid trial, Vince went out of his way to bury Hogan and blame him for a lot, supposedly sealing their relationship with himself on top. That smacks of this. Things went awry and he doesn't want blame falling on his shoulders.
Which is where it belongs. Copani worked the bejeebers out of that character and creative just shoved it down the crapper with both feet in making him a terrorist.
My hubs mentioned this and he's right. Mainstream media doesn't like wrestling. They still view it as a big joke, with fake fights and redneck audience. So they take ANY opportunity to knock it down. It's the same deal as the JBL/Germany thing (hell, even GERMANY didn't have a problem with it, while the American media went banana-crackers over it). Incidents like that are just tailor-made for the media to pick over. If you think MSNBC wasn't scrutinizing everything that he did in the ring and discussing how it would adversely affect them (which I don't think it would have, incidentally), then you're a more trusting person than I am.
Which is sad. It's acting. Mark Copani isn't really a terrorist. He was a guy playing a role that was written for him. Had they stuck to the orginal plan - of him being an Arab-American who felt he was getting the shaft (imagined or otherwise) - there wouldn't have been HALF the problems there were.
Vince's deepest heart's desire is to be accepted by mainstream America. He wants the WWE to be considered in the same breath as the NFL. He wants an Emmy. He'd love nothing more than if wrestling in general and the WWE in particular was no longer considered a big fat joke. I wish someone would tell him that this won't be happening any time soon and get on with making the product better instead of trying to court the American media.
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Post by hbkrules on Sept 29, 2005 13:26:12 GMT -5
Good grief.
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Post by 2 time pro bowler Fred Dryer on Sept 29, 2005 14:00:52 GMT -5
I guess Vince didnt count on an Arab wrestler getting cheered by the fans.
Who ever cheered him, besides a few people on here? You guys need to get over this guy, he had some good mic skills, was very mediocore in the ring, and had the easy cheap heat gimmick. His loss is not that big of a tragedy.
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Post by Triple B on Sept 29, 2005 14:07:34 GMT -5
Wait.... He was an Arab? I thought he was Italian... I was HORRIBLY mis-informed.
I don't blame UPN at all. It was all a work. UPN LOVED Hassan. If they REALLY had a problem with wrestlers after the bombing, Paul London would have dropped the Cruiserweight Title and started jobbing out to... oh... wait...
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Post by flairfan75 on Sept 29, 2005 14:25:08 GMT -5
I missed that part
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Post by Ozman on Sept 29, 2005 14:55:24 GMT -5
Yeah...if a character starts stealing Cena's fans...it's pretty much bye bye for them. Um, yeah...I'm sure THAT'S what really happened. (I hope that you've noticed the SARCASM in my post). |
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Sept 29, 2005 15:18:10 GMT -5
So Vince is placing the blame on the guy who played Muhammad Hassan, saying that is why it failed, correct? By this principle, Vince is implying that somebody else in the Hassan role could have done it in a better fashion that would not have garnered the network problems. That's bullcrap.
I don't care if it was The Rock playing Muhammad Hassan. That thing with the guys in black ski masks would have caused every bit as much controversy.
Next year, do you think WWE will release a DVD called "The Self Destruction of Mark Copani", along with Daivari saying "He was insane! No one wanted to be around the guy!"
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Post by The OP on Sept 29, 2005 15:59:51 GMT -5
Honestly, people will use any little excuse to vilify McMahon. How do you know he didn't just mean that it was because Mark Copani wanted to leave the company to pursue acting rather than retool the Hassan character?
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Post by sexualvanilla on Sept 29, 2005 17:16:51 GMT -5
Can't say I'm too surprised, though they found themselves backed into a corner with the character since there wasn't much they could do with him being banned from both shows
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 29, 2005 17:22:51 GMT -5
Honestly, people will use any little excuse to vilify McMahon. How do you know he didn't just mean that it was because Mark Copani wanted to leave the company to pursue acting rather than retool the Hassan character? Are you trying to say you don't think having the guy walk around with other guys dressed as Iraqi rebels (dressed to a T like the guys in the decapitation videos from earlier this year), and having him use "terrorist-esque" imagery, had nothing to do with the character not working out? And nobody needs "excuses" to villify McMahon; the man provides all the ammunition anyone needs. |
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Post by Lancers on Sept 29, 2005 17:26:00 GMT -5
I just pre-ordered "The Self Destruction of Mark Copani" from Highspots. I can't wait to see Triple H say that Hassan was the second-most dangerous man he's ever stepped into the ring with, even though he never was in the ring with him.
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Post by The OP on Sept 29, 2005 17:27:49 GMT -5
Honestly, people will use any little excuse to vilify McMahon. How do you know he didn't just mean that it was because Mark Copani wanted to leave the company to pursue acting rather than retool the Hassan character? Are you trying to say you don't think having the guy walk around with other guys dressed as Iraqi rebels (dressed to a T like the guys in the decapitation videos from earlier this year), and having him use "terrorist-esque" imagery, had nothing to do with the character not working out? And nobody needs "excuses" to villify McMahon; the man provides all the ammunition anyone needs. Look, I really don't want to open this discussion up again, but I don't know what the guys in that decapitation video were wearing because I chose not to watch it. I felt I got the point without seeing it. IMO the fact that so many people watched is because people are very morbid and voyeuristic. I'm amazed that these same people have the gall to be offended by what's presented on WWE programming. BTW, to answer your question, that's not what I was saying. |
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