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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2005 17:37:49 GMT -5
I just pre-ordered "The Self Destruction of Mark Copani" from Highspots. I can't wait to see Triple H say that Hassan was the second-most dangerous man he's ever stepped into the ring with, even though he never was in the ring with him. Vince: He was so difficult to work with. we wanted him to fly a plane to the ring and crash into the announce table. But he refused, what a complete nutjob.
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Post by Lancers on Sept 29, 2005 17:43:07 GMT -5
Vince: I didn't screw Copani. Copani screwed Hassan. *looks over to his left, whispers to someone off-screen "I said that right, didn't I?"
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Post by Rick Mad on Sept 29, 2005 17:47:38 GMT -5
Before Hassan got fired, word was that he was one of McMahon's favorites and everything, so i find this really weird.
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Post by 2 time pro bowler Fred Dryer on Sept 29, 2005 17:55:42 GMT -5
How do we know he was fired? He may have asked to be released. Also, if he really did refuse to report to OVW, then they really had no choice but to release him, as I'm sure the Hassan character wasn't welcome on T.V.
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Post by snakeyd on Sept 29, 2005 18:42:04 GMT -5
Bummer, I was enjoying Hassan. Apparently Vinnie likes to eat his young.
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Post by cometfan1 on Sept 29, 2005 18:50:41 GMT -5
Maybe there is moe abour this guy who played Muhammed Hussan than we realize. Maybe he wasn't a good employee.
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Post by BrianZane on Sept 29, 2005 18:59:44 GMT -5
I guess Vince didnt count on an Arab wrestler getting cheered by the fans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2005 21:04:25 GMT -5
He wasn't cheered, It's IWC spin.
I didn't like the character. But to pretend it failing had anything to do with Mark Copani is ridiculous.
You send out 6 masked "sympathizers", and even Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt wouldn't be able to pull of the character.
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Post by sirendemented on Sept 29, 2005 21:31:35 GMT -5
Honestly, people will use any little excuse to vilify McMahon. How do you know he didn't just mean that it was because Mark Copani wanted to leave the company to pursue acting rather than retool the Hassan character? oh god, he asked to be released AFTER he was taken off of tv due to that writers f*** up. I dont blame him for not wanting to waste his time in OVW, what where they going to do with him? Everyone would know it was Hassan, chances are he would be rotted away in ovw until he was fired. If I had the opportunity to do someting else, and make money and add to my resume instead of not being clear on my future in my current place of emplyment, id go for the first thing. What happened to the Hassan character had NOTHING to do with Mark the person, he was doing a great job and getting over. Vince's monkeys screwed up and cost a man his cemented job and a great heel. Its not Mark's fault, but of course Vince wont believe that his company is in the wrong. And it makes me sick, after Mark had nothing but good things to say about his time in WWE and was very humble and everything. A quality that is lacking in wrestling. But nooooo Vince just had to have the upperhand, and now if they could bring back the Hassan character on USA, i wouldnt be surprised if Mark tells Vince to f*** off.
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Post by jonnylethargic on Sept 29, 2005 22:07:26 GMT -5
First of all, consider how this was presented to everyone who's freaking out over this... We didn't exactly get an exact quote. I think it's likely that Vince was describing Copani's choice to leave the company (as was said in a previous post). Unless someone shows me a transcript of Vince tearing this guy down, I won't go off on it. Yes, Vince is a businessman. Yes, Vince will screw anyone over to stay at the top... but really that's to be expected. I don't see the need to a) blame anything and everything on him just because he's there and b) to always assume the worst. Finding the easy scapegoat is easy to do. Researching and finding facts on the other hand, takes time.
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Post by sirendemented on Sept 29, 2005 22:21:27 GMT -5
First of all, consider how this was presented to everyone who's freaking out over this... We didn't exactly get an exact quote. I think it's likely that Vince was describing Copani's choice to leave the company (as was said in a previous post). Unless someone shows me a transcript of Vince tearing this guy down, I won't go off on it. Yes, Vince is a businessman. Yes, Vince will screw anyone over to stay at the top... but really that's to be expected. I don't see the need to a) blame anything and everything on him just because he's there and b) to always assume the worst. Finding the easy scapegoat is easy to do. Researching and finding facts on the other hand, takes time. i have the show tivo'd and i saw and heard it with my own two ears, the host asked why the character didnt work and Vince said "It was more or less beacuse of the wrestler" so he blamed Mark
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Post by The OP on Sept 29, 2005 22:34:31 GMT -5
First of all, consider how this was presented to everyone who's freaking out over this... We didn't exactly get an exact quote. I think it's likely that Vince was describing Copani's choice to leave the company (as was said in a previous post). Unless someone shows me a transcript of Vince tearing this guy down, I won't go off on it. Yes, Vince is a businessman. Yes, Vince will screw anyone over to stay at the top... but really that's to be expected. I don't see the need to a) blame anything and everything on him just because he's there and b) to always assume the worst. Finding the easy scapegoat is easy to do. Researching and finding facts on the other hand, takes time. I think you've hit the nail on the head Johnny. People have a tendancy to hear one small part of a story and assume that they know everything about it. All Vince is quoted as saying in the initial post is that "ultimately it was the guy playing the character". I see no reason to read anything into the comment other than that it's because he asked for a release unless new information becomes available.
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Post by sirendemented on Sept 29, 2005 22:34:33 GMT -5
And anyway, the reason the character didnt work had nothing to do with the wrestler. Vince's writers and Vince himself screwed that up. Nothing gets on tv without his approval, so he knew what was going to happen. It was filmed the same day as the London bombings. They didnt know that was going to happen, but they had two full days to edit that segment out.
Obviously Vince didnt care that people would be offended by this right after it was said that terrorists did the bombings. Obviously that would have hit a cord in someone's heart. He didnt think, well hey maybe someone at UPN lost a family member in the bombings, or hey even maybe one of my employees lost someone. No he didnt think that, he wanted to push the envelope and he went to far.
And on an off topic subject, Jerry Lawler is an idiot too. Right after Katrina happened there was some worries about the Hurricane's gimmick. You know how people get up in arms about things like that, so you would think that they would try their hardest not to associate their talent with a tragedy. But nope, Jerry had to make a funny but saying "hey look its Katrina!, oh oops, I mean the Hurricane, PUPPIES!" f***ing idiot.
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Post by The OP on Sept 29, 2005 22:53:04 GMT -5
And anyway, the reason the character didnt work had nothing to do with the wrestler. Vince's writers and Vince himself screwed that up. Nothing gets on tv without his approval, so he knew what was going to happen. It was filmed the same day as the London bombings. They didnt know that was going to happen, but they had two full days to edit that segment out. But if "terrorists" were depicted on any other TV show or movie, that would be OK right? No? Why? Because the media hates wrestling and looks for anything they can use to make it look bad (I won't even mention the fact that bus bombings in London has basically nothing to do with what happened on the show). Instead of rejecting this idea, so many people who claim to respect the business instead choose to hold it to the same double standard. And besides, how many people were actually offended, and how many were just afraid people would be offended? After 9/11 they edited the trade center out of movies and tried not to show anything on television that had to do with war, or buildings exploding, or anything of that nature. Well, guess what. In the wake of 9/11 movie rentals of war and disaster films went UP. People who can't tell the difference between reality and television have a problem. Maybe if someone was so upset about the attacks they shouldn't have been watching a violent program like wrestling in the first place. If you can't handle it, go watch Disney's Beauty & the Beast or something.
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Post by sirendemented on Sept 29, 2005 23:49:28 GMT -5
And anyway, the reason the character didnt work had nothing to do with the wrestler. Vince's writers and Vince himself screwed that up. Nothing gets on tv without his approval, so he knew what was going to happen. It was filmed the same day as the London bombings. They didnt know that was going to happen, but they had two full days to edit that segment out. But if "terrorists" were depicted on any other TV show or movie, that would be OK right? No? Why? Because the media hates wrestling and looks for anything they can use to make it look bad (I won't even mention the fact that bus bombings in London has basically nothing to do with what happened on the show). Instead of rejecting this idea, so many people who claim to respect the business instead choose to hold it to the same double standard. And besides, how many people were actually offended, and how many were just afraid people would be offended? After 9/11 they edited the trade center out of movies and tried not to show anything on television that had to do with war, or buildings exploding, or anything of that nature. Well, guess what. In the wake of 9/11 movie rentals of war and disaster films went UP. People who can't tell the difference between reality and television have a problem. Maybe if someone was so upset about the attacks they shouldn't have been watching a violent program like wrestling in the first place. If you can't handle it, go watch Disney's Beauty & the Beast or something. k first off buddy, I never said that if anyone else did it, it would be ok. It wouldnt be, and we arent talking about other shows. Im talking about WWE here. And anyone who lost a family member could have been turning their tv channel and stumbled onto that and been offended. Vince wants to accepted by the mainstream media and be taken seriously so bad? Well when you do things like this , it is no surprise that the media will hate you even more than they already do. Why would you give them more fuel to bash you with? Vince cant see that and because of that, WWE wont be taken serioulsy anytime soon. And I seem to never hear anything negative about any other promotion, because it seems that WWE goes out of its way to make themselves look like asses. the media doesnt need to make WWE look bad because it does a great job of that its self. So you are going to tell me that me that if your brother or sister was one of the people in the beheading videos (and you dont have to wartch the actual video to see what they had on, snipets were all over the news) and you stumbled across that and the guys in there looked just like the guys who killed your family member you wouldnt be the slightest offended? yea ok, you believe that and video sales for violent movies went up after 9/11? Well newz flash there are sick people in this world who get off on watching death. About a week after 9/11 some idiot made a video of the victims who jumped out of the windows to escape burning to death and put metal music over it. And that other asshole photoshoped pics of him on the top of one of the towers while a plane was coming at it. Some people actually sat there and took time to make stuff like this are sick f***s and there are alot of them in this world. And anyways, the point is Vince layed the blame on someone else, instead of his writers and himself. Which is f***ed up and he keeps on alienating himself from people. After all of these lawsuits are over with guys using WWE "copyrighted" names, I would like to see just how many people Vince will have to choice from for ONS 2
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Post by The OP on Sept 29, 2005 23:56:04 GMT -5
Ok, now you're really reaching. Honestly, I couldn't give a f*** less about someone stumbling onto the program and being offended. They can change the channel, or if they just lost a loved one, maybe go spend time with their remaining loved ones instead of watching TV and getting mad about it (really makes life seem pointless anyway, doesn't it?). I really don't think of myself as pathetic enough to be getting upset about a wrestling program if my brother or sister had just been killed by terrorists, but it didn't happen, so I guess I could be wrong.
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Post by sirendemented on Sept 29, 2005 23:57:13 GMT -5
btw, i just realized the smackdown was shown the day the bombings happened as opposed to it being taped before hand. But it happened in the morning, they still had more than enough time to edit out that segment
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Post by The OP on Sept 30, 2005 0:00:03 GMT -5
btw, i just realized the smackdown was shown the day the bombings happened as opposed to it being taped before hand. But it happened in the morning, they still had more than enough time to edit out that segment Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that there were no bombings featured in the segment.
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Post by sirendemented on Sept 30, 2005 0:03:24 GMT -5
that has nothing to do with what i was trying to say but you know what? im tired of arguing
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Post by The OP on Sept 30, 2005 0:07:11 GMT -5
Ladies and gentleman, your winner by submission...
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