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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 19, 2009 16:57:37 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been discussed before, but it's a thought that I had.
I definitely want both to succeed and I'm in now way doubting their talent. I'm sure others are feeling the same way, but I want to know what they actually THINK is going to happen.
Will both of them stick with WWE for years, or even the rest of their career? What will be their positions on the card? Or will one or both of them return to ROH (ala Cabana)?
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Sept 19, 2009 16:59:34 GMT -5
I'm sure if it was up to them they would want to have a good career in the WWE while collecting a steady paycheck.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 19, 2009 17:01:52 GMT -5
I'm sure if it was up to them they would want to have a good career in the WWE while collecting a steady paycheck. Well yea, that's obviously what they'd want but unfortunately long term WWE careers don't happen all the time. Make a prediction, what do YOU think will happen.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Sept 19, 2009 17:04:12 GMT -5
This is optimistic thinking here.
I'm thinking that Nigel becomes a steady midcarder on the ECW brand with quick forays into the ECW title scene. Barring any crazy injuries or major character fumbling, I could see him staying in the WWE for years.
Danielson is a harder one to predict. Could go either way.
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Post by Prince Petty on Sept 19, 2009 17:18:39 GMT -5
ECW has shown that the WWE is fully prepared to give guys an opportunity, but there does become a point where you've just saturated the show with talent, and there's nowhere else to go.
Realistically, for Danielson and Nigel to make it big, guys like Undertaker, HBK, Batista and even Triple H need to call it a day, opening up the main event slots for people like MVP, Christian and Morrison. Then everyone moves up, leaving space at the bottom for people to get over.
It's more likely that, for the foreseeable future, they may get a place on ECW, and have to bide their time for guys to retire or be released. After all, why would the WWE want to mmediately push them over the young talent that they've nurtured themselves in FCW?
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Post by MGH on Sept 19, 2009 17:42:03 GMT -5
I see Nigel climbing the card in ECW and getting over quicker than Sheamus and Ryder because he has the good mic skills. If he can stay healthy in WWE (and that's the big "if" of his career), I see him as ECW Champion. Then I see him moving up to Raw like Swagger did, and by the time some of the vets finally start to fade away in 12-18 months, he begins to move up the card. How far up, I don't know. On SD I could see him as Champion down the road. On Raw it's more iffy.
I don't think Danielson gets to the main event in a consistent way. I think he becomes their new Chris Benoit. Multiple times Intercontinental and/or US Champion. The guy who wrestles in the 9:45-10:15 spots and has the good longer matches. He becomes the go to guy when you need a great match out of someone. But as far as going up the card, I think he reaches his peak at the high upper midcard.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 19, 2009 17:49:40 GMT -5
If given the opportunity, both men could go incredibly far and have great staying power. Nigel's size and mic skills, especially, could launch him to main event status in relatively short order.
What's great about both is that neither are of the typical "WWE mold", not in ring style or promo style. Nigel is somewhat soft spoken, but always with an edge to his voice that makes him convincing. Danielson doesn't set the world ablaze with his promos, but his demeanor, both face and heel, and his mannerisms get half the job done for him.
If Dragon's given the full opportunity to show what he can do, he definitely could become a World Champion, but I do agree that since he's not a mega-great talker, he could settle into the upper midcard without any problems.
That said, as much of their old guard begins to fade out, it could open up some top spots that guys of their caliber can fill. That all remains to be seen.
Of course, both men need to actually be given the chance first. I doubt either gets the Cabana treatment or has whatever the hell happened to Claudio Castagnoli happen to them. Their styles/size should help them rise above where Matt Sydal's gotten to so far, but there's no guarantees of anything. I don't really trust WWE very much, to be frank, but I do trust Nigel and Dragon to show enough to almost force their hands.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Sept 19, 2009 17:51:35 GMT -5
Honestly I see Nigel going further at first but once Danielson starts turning some heads I think he'll be right behind him. I think both of them are capable of having a CM Punk type of build.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 19, 2009 17:58:11 GMT -5
I see Nigel climbing the card in ECW and getting over quicker than Sheamus and Ryder because he has the good mic skills. If he can stay healthy in WWE (and that's the big "if" of his career), I see him as ECW Champion. Then I see him moving up to Raw like Swagger did, and by the time some of the vets finally start to fade away in 12-18 months, he begins to move up the card. How far up, I don't know. On SD I could see him as Champion down the road. On Raw it's more iffy. I don't think Danielson gets to the main event in a consistent way. I think he becomes their new Chris Benoit. Multiple times Intercontinental and/or US Champion. The guy who wrestles in the 9:45-10:15 spots and has the good longer matches. He becomes the go to guy when you need a great match out of someone. But as far as going up the card, I think he reaches his peak at the high upper midcard. And I think that Danielson having that type of career would be great. Benoit had a lot of success in WWE, even if he wasn't always in the world title picture. Nigel on the other hand I believe will get a good push, it will just depend on how injury prone he is. I don't know how often he was injured in ROH, but people make it sound like it's happened a lot. Then again, a lot of WWE's current wrestlers have been out with injuries multiple times, or for long amounts of time (Edge, Rey, Batista, etc) and still been perpetual main eventers.
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Post by MGH on Sept 19, 2009 18:01:49 GMT -5
I see Nigel climbing the card in ECW and getting over quicker than Sheamus and Ryder because he has the good mic skills. If he can stay healthy in WWE (and that's the big "if" of his career), I see him as ECW Champion. Then I see him moving up to Raw like Swagger did, and by the time some of the vets finally start to fade away in 12-18 months, he begins to move up the card. How far up, I don't know. On SD I could see him as Champion down the road. On Raw it's more iffy. I don't think Danielson gets to the main event in a consistent way. I think he becomes their new Chris Benoit. Multiple times Intercontinental and/or US Champion. The guy who wrestles in the 9:45-10:15 spots and has the good longer matches. He becomes the go to guy when you need a great match out of someone. But as far as going up the card, I think he reaches his peak at the high upper midcard. And I think that Danielson having that type of career would be great. Benoit had a lot of success in WWE, even if he wasn't always in the world title picture. Nigel on the other hand I believe will get a good push, it will just depend on how injury prone he is. I don't know how often he was injured in ROH, but people make it sound like it's happened a lot. Then again, a lot of WWE's current wrestlers have been out with injuries multiple times, or for long amounts of time (Edge, Rey, Batista, etc) and still been perpetual main eventers. I agree, and I've been saying that for a while. If Danielson has half the career in WWE that Benoit did I'll be very satisfied. They can't all main event Wrestlemania, and there's nothing wrong with that. I just ask that I get my one Danielson/Michaels match before all is said and done. You can make a case that Nigel's injuries were a result of the style he worked on the indies. Longer matches, some big time spots, and those usually happening in sequence towards the end of the matches. His body just began breaking down. Concussions were a problem, but mostly it's his arms. His biceps make Undertaker's look stable at times. But again, in WWE where he can have some less impactful matches, even though he'll have more on a yearly basis with house shows and all, I think it can benefit his career longevity.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 19, 2009 18:05:38 GMT -5
I'm hoping they both become big stars, but risk running up against certain established stars who may be paranoid about their spots. In addition, Vince has a history of humiliating or burying people who originally were major stars in other promotions. Hopefully they won't be given the Red Rooster treatment and be saddled with a hopeless gimmick, or left to be forgotten in the midcard (particularly if they end up on Raw).
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Sept 19, 2009 18:45:42 GMT -5
I see McGuinness falling somewhere between Burchill and Shelton Benjamin- he'll start with a decent push and fluctuate between midcard title go-to guy and lowercard "threat that never wins". Thinking about it a better comparison would be Rhyno- holds a few titles, never THE guy, never a pushover. I think he has all the attributes to go further but I dunno, I just doubt if he will based on the likes of Haas, Burchill, Cabana etc.
Danielson's tough to predict. I see him either
a) Getting Cabana'd, with a nice amount of spotlight, albeit directionless, and getting cut around 2011
b)As already said being his generation's Benoit/Eddie in terms of career. Nice, solid performer throughout, just 1 if any top title reigns, but always in the mid to upper card and a great main event slot filler.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2009 18:54:07 GMT -5
Ya know, I had a thought on this last night.
McGuinness should align with Paul Burchill. Naturally, this'd set up Danielson debuting as the Hurricane's new sidekick the Tropic Kid.
Then McGuinness could face-turn and become Batman.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Sept 19, 2009 19:46:38 GMT -5
In addition, Vince has a history of humiliating or burying people who originally were major stars in other promotions. What big promotion were they stars in?
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 19, 2009 20:19:47 GMT -5
In addition, Vince has a history of humiliating or burying people who originally were major stars in other promotions. What big promotion were they stars in? Yeah, ROH isn't small, per se, but it's not big on the scale that Vince would seek to make them look bad. ROH isn't the size of WCW or the old school NWA.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Sept 19, 2009 20:30:43 GMT -5
Exactly. WWE's track record with ROH guys has been pretty decent. London and Kendrick were around for a while and won titles. Bourne is doing well. Punk speaks for himself.
When they sign guys who can get over without a ton of promo time, They seem to do well.
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Post by BatPunk on Sept 19, 2009 20:59:23 GMT -5
Danielson IMO will have a better career than Nigel. WWE has been chasing him for years, so I dont think they're gonna waste him now that they've finally got him. Plus Regal and HBK will have his back. What I dont get is how people say that he's not a very good talker? Some of his in-ring promos have been nothing short of sensational!! Especially during his heel run!
Nigel I think will still have a fine career in WWE. I dont see him ever taking one of the H/W titles except maybe the ECW title. But I think he'll be a solid mid-to-upper mid carder!
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 20, 2009 7:08:00 GMT -5
Danielson IMO will have a better career than Nigel. WWE has been chasing him for years, so I dont think they're gonna waste him now that they've finally got him. Plus Regal and HBK will have his back. What I dont get is how people say that he's not a very good talker? Some of his in-ring promos have been nothing short of sensational!! Especially during his heel run! Nigel I think will still have a fine career in WWE. I dont see him ever taking one of the H/W titles except maybe the ECW title. But I think he'll be a solid mid-to-upper mid carder! When it comes to Dragon's promos, he's not a 100% "smooth" talker. He's not a marble-mouth or anything like that (and I agree, some of his heel/tweener promos were outstanding during his title run), but he's not exactly CM Punk, either. He's certainly come a very long way over the years, and he always seems to know exactly how he wants to get his message across when talking, but he's not a shouter, a growler, doesn't have a "heavy" voice, etc., he mostly sounds like a normal guy, which would stick out a bit in WWE. Frankly, I think WWE should capitalize on that, and not try to make him sound like a phony character if he gets promo time. But like I said before, I think it's Danielson's mannerisms and expressions that really make his promos; plus, considering how much better a talker he is now than when he was younger, he probably could continue to improve. Nigel, on the other hand, is already set.
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Post by manstis1804 on Sept 20, 2009 10:11:50 GMT -5
I think Danielson is extremely likeable which helps him a lot. He's a great ass kicking babyface, let him do it in WWE and he will get over, on any brand. Nigel is a lot like Regal and Burchill in my eyes, both are great workers but we see how consistent their pushes are.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 20, 2009 10:27:54 GMT -5
Exactly. WWE's track record with ROH guys has been pretty decent. London and Kendrick were around for a while and won titles. Bourne is doing well. Punk speaks for himself. When they sign guys who can get over without a ton of promo time, They seem to do well. the interesting thing about London and Kendrick is for all people wanted them to be pushed more these days it seems it would not have been in the WWE's best interests. London's virtually left wrestling and Kendrick continued smoking marijuana even though he had to know it would stall his push.
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