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Post by r. on Sept 29, 2009 7:42:40 GMT -5
Easy, make him a relatable character, it's hard to cheer for someone you have nothing in common with.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 8:14:46 GMT -5
Easy, make him a relatable character, it's hard to cheer for someone you have nothing in common with. What?! A large percentage of the WWE Universe are former rapping marine nice guys who hate Jesus. It's a fact we all have to face up to.
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Post by Kevin's Thorn on Sept 29, 2009 9:42:13 GMT -5
I would like Cena more if he didn't try to constantly badmouth The Rock for not having as much "passion" as him, and thus unintentionally compare himself to The Great One (which he's clearly not even in the same league).
Hey Cena, how's this for 'passion'??
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Post by r. on Sept 29, 2009 9:48:33 GMT -5
Easy, make him a relatable character, it's hard to cheer for someone you have nothing in common with. What?! A large percentage of the WWE Universe are former rapping marine nice guys who hate Jesus. It's a fact we all have to face up to. I know....i just did'nt want to face reality.....for i too am a rapping marine nice guy who hates Heysoos.
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Post by rk9295 on Sept 29, 2009 15:57:26 GMT -5
I would re-book the whole Bret Hart 1997 heel angle with John Cena.
Cena starts getting screwed out of title shots in all kinds of ways.
Cena starts losing some high profile matches at PPV. He's starting to show frustration but still acknowledges his fans.
Next Monday - WWE pipes in some heavy crowd boos when he comes to the ring. Cena looks confused and heart-broken.
Next Monday - Cena starts turning on his fans in an interview and flips the fans the bird. As he walks up the ramp to the back he flips off little kids.
Next Monday - Cena says he will take pleasure in destroying The Undertaker at Wrestlemania and ending his streak and also says he's the greatest wrestler of all time, even better than Hulk Hogan, The Rock, and all those other losers that the stupid fans love so much.
Next Monday - The Undertaker calls Cena a crybaby and says how we'll bury him at Wrestlemania, Rest In Peace, yada yada yada
Wrestlemania - John Cena shows up at Wrestlemania with a new look and new music. John Cena defeats The Undertaker to end the streak by cheating his ass off.
The next night on Raw Vince McMahon orders the match a no contest due to John Cena knocking out the referee and cheating to win the match, so a rematch is ordered for tonight. In the main event, The Undertaker is ready to finish off John Cena with a tombstone when (which ever wrestlers of your choose) come down the aisle and start attacking The Undertaker. John Cena is DQ, but Taker is laying in a pool of his own blood knocked out and John Cena and his new stable raise their hands in victory.
Taker's streak remains intact. Cena is a dominant heel with a new stable.
Taker vs Cena - Hell in a Cell match at Summerslam.
and you could go on and on and on with this....
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Post by Bishblast on Sept 29, 2009 16:00:39 GMT -5
I think his current character is okay... it goes through phases. However, if one thing to make him effortlessly compelling? Heel turn. It would write itself.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 29, 2009 16:02:03 GMT -5
Easy. Turn him into f---ing Captain America. But seriously, adding an "edge" to his character should work. Though the poster above me has a great idea.
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Post by diegorivera on Sept 29, 2009 17:34:48 GMT -5
I would like Cena more if he didn't try to constantly badmouth The Rock for not having as much "passion" as him, and thus unintentionally compare himself to The Great One (which he's clearly not even in the same league). Hey Cena, how's this for 'passion'?? Oh good god... Cena has never "badmouthed" Rock or claimed he has more passion. Cena has said that he feels the Rock went back on a previous statement that he would remain in wrestling rather than go to Hollywood, which is an uninformed and ignorant position to take, given that Rock was pushed to do more films by McMahon and the WWE allowed his contract to expire rather than pursue keeping him in wrestling or just under contract for their own use. However Cena has never insulted Rock, or done, say, an angry Jim Cornette or Scott Steiner styled shoot on the guy. Indeed, Cena has said that he greatly respects the Rock, is a fan of his work, and more than anything, is just disappointed that the likelihood of him and the Rock having a match is slim to none, despite the fact that Dewayne is healthy and, if he isn't already, could be in ring shape without much trouble. Cena is wrestling's current biggest star, reguardless of the fact that his star doesn't shine as brightly as Rock's did, nor Austin's or Hogan's. To think that Cena wouldn't want to have a match with one of the biggest stars in wrestling ever, especially considering he has inherited essentially the same position in the WWE that Dewayne once had, is misguided. Rock had an epic match with Hogan that pitted that day's biggest star against yesterday's biggest star. Cena, and likely Vince and the entire WWE, if only for the hype it would carry and the huge buy rate it would likely produce, would like to have a moment like that with Rock. Seems perfectly understandable to me. Furthermore, the Rock is not some sacred cow who is beyond reproach, (not that he's done anything to really deserve it, mind you). Real life isn't like high school. You don't really deserve to be a pariah if you say anything that isn't blind, ego fellating praise about the popular kid. Not to rant here, but there's plenty of legitimate reasons to bash John Cena without misconstruing a few off hand comments and making it seem like Cena has just drug poor Rocky's name through the mud. Also that indy fed Rock showed up for is run by his cousins. It's not like the guy is just popping into random feds, though even if he was, it wouldn't mean much in a debate about, "passion" anyway.
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Post by Ragnal on Sept 29, 2009 18:20:59 GMT -5
I would like Cena more if he didn't try to constantly badmouth The Rock for not having as much "passion" as him, and thus unintentionally compare himself to The Great One (which he's clearly not even in the same league). Hey Cena, how's this for 'passion'?? Oh good god... Cena has never "badmouthed" Rock or claimed he has more passion. Cena has said that he feels the Rock went back on a previous statement that he would remain in wrestling rather than go to Hollywood, which is an uninformed and ignorant position to take, given that Rock was pushed to do more films by McMahon and the WWE allowed his contract to expire rather than pursue keeping him in wrestling or just under contract for their own use. However Cena has never insulted Rock, or done, say, an angry Jim Cornette or Scott Steiner styled shoot on the guy. Indeed, Cena has said that he greatly respects the Rock, is a fan of his work, and more than anything, is just disappointed that the likelihood of him and the Rock having a match is slim to none, despite the fact that Dewayne is healthy and, if he isn't already, could be in ring shape without much trouble. Cena is wrestling's current biggest star, reguardless of the fact that his star doesn't shine as brightly as Rock's did, nor Austin's or Hogan's. To think that Cena wouldn't want to have a match with one of the biggest stars in wrestling ever, especially considering he has inherited essentially the same position in the WWE that Dewayne once had, is misguided. Rock had an epic match with Hogan that pitted that day's biggest star against yesterday's biggest star. Cena, and likely Vince and the entire WWE, if only for the hype it would carry and the huge buy rate it would likely produce, would like to have a moment like that with Rock. Seems perfectly understandable to me. Furthermore, the Rock is not some sacred cow who is beyond reproach, (not that he's done anything to really deserve it, mind you). Real life isn't like high school. You don't really deserve to be a pariah if you say anything that isn't blind, ego fellating praise about the popular kid. Not to rant here, but there's plenty of legitimate reasons to bash John Cena without misconstruing a few off hand comments and making it seem like Cena has just drug poor Rocky's name through the mud. Also that indy fed Rock showed up for is run by his cousins. It's not like the guy is just popping into random feds, though even if he was, it wouldn't mean much in a debate about, "passion" anyway. Part of Cena's thing with the Rock, at leasr around WM24, was that he felt the Rock needed to come back because "he owed it to the fans". This coming from a guy who's put over...well, Edge possibly, although we could debate that one for five pages and get nowhere. Whereas the Rock was at least nice enough to give others a push, such as say Hurricane or Brock Lesnar. Heck, he even showed up to an indy promotion for a rare appearance. Granted it was part of his family's business, but the point stands that he gave those fans something to talk about. So while it may not have sounded like that, a lot of people on these boards groaned when Cena talked about Rock and felt he was craving attention. Myself included.
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Post by AriadosMan on Sept 29, 2009 18:25:41 GMT -5
Rock owes it to no one that he come back. He did his part to put those who were considered up and coming over. Its not his fault Brock left. I seriously doubt he wants to dump his movie contracts and go back so he can get jobbed to Cena.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 29, 2009 18:28:43 GMT -5
How about a heel turn with elaboration?
I've posted a heel turn promo he would do after turning on an ally (choosing who is a different matter, since there is no other face in his league).
*holds up mic while fans boo* "Yeah, I'm used to that sound a lot. I tried to make you accept me, I really did. But no matter what I did, it was never enough, was it? Six years ago, I was having a great time, cutting raps, living on the edge, being myself. And I saw you people, you kids especially, were digging it. So I tried to clean up my act, cut out the bad language, and be a role model. And where did that get me? It got me boos. It got me 'Cena Sucks' chants. It got garbage hurled at my head. It got millions of fans lighting up the Internet talking about nothing except how they hate me and want me out of the WWE. Through it all, I sucked it up, held my head up, and smiled till my face hurt, because I thought that all I had to do was stay and I could win you people over. I see now that that's never going to happen. And as long as I keep trying to win you over, all I'm doing is holding myself back, screwing MY chances at MY career and keeping myself from holding onto MY WWE Championship. From now on, John Cena does not do anything for you sorry ingrates. John Cena does things for John Cena. I'm living life my way and controlling my career my way. And if any of you are upset with me, if you did like 'You Can't See Me' and the Chain Gang and all of that crap, or I made your kid cry, just write your complaint down, and flush it down your hopper because the WWE Universe can stick it! I'm outta here!"
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 29, 2009 18:28:44 GMT -5
Am I the only one who had an image of Cena being newtered from the title of this thread?
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Post by diegorivera on Sept 29, 2009 19:12:24 GMT -5
Keep in mind that I'm defining "putting over," as making a guy really look like someone important; someone who wasn't on your level before, but is now by virtue of defeating you. Losing to say, Steve Austin or Goldberg, isn't really putting him over...
Still, it's undeniable that Rock lost a lot for a major star, but really, Hurricane is by far his most glowing example of putting someone over, and that came when the Rock was pretty much done as an active wrestler. Lesnar was going to be huge whether he bested Rock or not, though it was beyond classy for Rock to be the one who laid down for his first world title and certainly didn't hurt. Ditto the likes of Foley, HHH and Angle. Still, like you said, this isn't about that really...
Cena saying Rock, "owed it to the fans," was ignorant and likely really was an attempt by Cena and/or the WWE to coax Rock into a match when they needed him far more than he needs them. Thing is I don't see an issue with attempting to try to coax Rock into the match in-and-of itself, just with the way they tried to get it done. That match, again, would do wonders for everyone involved. Everyone, except Rock really, because he's done with wrestling and having a match against Cena, regardless of it's outcome, how good it may be, how many people watch, hardly benefits him in his current position as a Hollywood actor.
If you're John Cena, a wrestler, and given his motion picture performances, likely one for the foreseeable future, you can't help but think about what such a match does for you and the company you work for. No one's probably more aware that John Cena is less of a star than the Rock than John Cena himself. You've got very little to loose when most of the people aware of your would-be challenge are people who don't like you anyway. If it succeeds, you've likely gained the biggest match of your career. I'd say that's worth a little hatred from the IWC, especially when some are acting like you just ripped into the man personally and slandered him.
Really, Dewayne and John have met face-to-face since these comments and Cena has explained his position and Rock is said to have understood perfectly and not taken offense to anything. There's no bad blood between the two and really, both appear to be class acts. Rock appears in an indy fed run by his cousins, Cena does appearances for the Make-a-Wish foundation. Both seem like classy, respectable human beings when you get right down to it.
My position is simple: of all the things John Cena has that really, truly, undeniably deserve the negative reaction he gets, there's hardly a need to make a mountain where there's barely a mole hill, to use an antiquated saying.
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Post by Pervy Stone Cold on Sept 29, 2009 19:18:06 GMT -5
Am I the only one who had an image of Cena being newtered from the title of this thread? Aww, I know what you mean but that gives me a funny idea You can't see me!!!! ;D
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Sept 29, 2009 19:24:43 GMT -5
as a guy i used to work with used to say, if i cant fix it with a shovel then it cant be fixed
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Post by Mad Johnny Maxx on Sept 30, 2009 23:19:07 GMT -5
Am I the only one who had an image of Cena being newtered from the title of this thread? Yeah...been searching for the last ten minutes on YouTube for an I CHOPPY CHOPPY YOU PEE PEE video and post it on here...but damn if I can't find it.
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Post by manstis1804 on Oct 1, 2009 1:23:46 GMT -5
They might as well start playing him up as being "impervious to pain!!!!!!!" like Mankind was. At least then his no-selling would make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2009 1:27:23 GMT -5
They might as well start playing him up as being "impervious to pain!!!!!!!" like Mankind was. At least then his no-selling would make sense. Would we call him Supermankind?
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Post by Pink Lloyd on Oct 1, 2009 1:50:38 GMT -5
I don't think Cena is the problem. It's the lack of top level heels in the WWE that's the problem. There should be at least 3 top heels trying to gun for Cena at all times but instead, the only main event heel on RAW now is Randy Orton. Cena just looks like a Superman because he has no real competition at this point.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 1, 2009 9:43:13 GMT -5
I'll echo what was said earlier and say just book him differently. The Cena character itself is awesome, but occasionally he's written ridiculously.
And normally I don't care either way about him being allegedly overpowered, but the Raw ending was a bit much by even my standards.
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