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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 2:39:53 GMT -5
I agree that every PPV does not need title defenses.
Especially with two main world titles, it would be rather easy to alternate defenses between PPVs, and some PPVs such as Royal Rumble do NOT need any world title defenses at all.
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Post by Ozman on Oct 5, 2009 3:59:58 GMT -5
GOOD THREAD!!! I've seen several good suggestions on how to fix things. Longer title reigns would help things tremendously IMO. Enough with the "pointless title changes" that have occurred in the past two years, such as Cena's win last month, along with Cena's Wrestlemania 25 win. Batista's wins against both Orton this year AND Jericho last year were unnecessary . Jeff Hardy's "Night Of Champions" win was also pretty pointless. What about Edge winning the title at Survivor Series in November, losing at Armageddon in December, winning at Royal Rumble in January, both losing and winning titles in the same night at No Way Out in February, losing at Wrestlemania in early April,winning at Backlash in late April, and losing yet again at Extreme Rules in June. THAT'S TOTAL B.S BOOKING IMO. And speaking of Edge, let's not forget the stupidity of the Undertaker/Edge feud in 08, with "vacant titles" and controversial match outcomes. And the irony of it all is that while the "pro belt swapping" crowd screams that this "keeps things fresh", all these title changes took place between only a few people. DOESN'T SOUND "FRESH" TO ME. And, none of this is doing a damn thing as far as ratings and buyrates go. Both ratings and buyrates continue to drop, and TV ratings are actually LOWER now than during Triple H's 2003 reign, and Cena and Batista's 2005 reigns. I'm not saying that year long title reigns are the answer, but something HAS TO BE DONE ASAP. Longer title reigns (six to eight months maybe) and "single branded PPV" might help, although that really wouldn't really work for ECW's current product. Maybe they could do "single branded PPV" for Raw and Smackdown, and feature an ECW match on each of those PPV's until ECW is in a position where they can hold their own "single branded PPV"s. Maybe this would help, maybe it wouldn't, but I feel that it worth giving it a try.
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Post by quantum on Oct 5, 2009 4:15:45 GMT -5
WCW all over again?
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Post by sunnytaker on Oct 5, 2009 8:08:16 GMT -5
At this rate I would really like to see some long time mid-card champ (heel or babyface) come February or so, basically challenge their respective World Champion at Wrestlemania with the point that while the world titles have jumped around to everyone, they've been able to keep their belt the entire time and have successfully defended against all challengers. Consistent IC/US Champion vs. Very Inconsistent WWE/WH Champion would be an interesting story to tell. i like that idea, wasn;t that part of the Warrior/Hogan build as well? IC champ wanting to take on the world champ and almost unheard of at the time face vs.face match. but yeah it'd be interesting if somewhere down the line an IC/US title holder interupts the usual merry-go-round contenders and says "Hey you guys beat each other for a whole year now. nobody's beat me so all you other guys step aside and see what the champ can do." having said that Kofi seems to have a Honky Tonk Man like ability to hang onto the belt when it seems almost everyone expects him to lose it every match. he's at an almost Cena-lite level of odds overcomingness lately with all these multi-person championship matches he manages to maintain his title on.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Oct 5, 2009 8:27:10 GMT -5
Not to mention that the titles are rotating between Cena, Orton, HHH, Punk and Taker. you left out Edge and Jeff Hardy. also the Undertaker shouldn't be included since tonight was the first time he's held either of the titles since spring of last year Yeah, that bugs me too. Why even have Punk win the belt at Summerslam, if he's just gonna lose it in a month or two? That just seemed dumb to me. I mean, I'm glad Undertaker is a champ again, but talk about bad timing.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Oct 5, 2009 8:48:09 GMT -5
I'm going to throw this out there. Yoshi Tatsu: Unified ECW, World, and WWE champion. And the new unified title belt plays his music when you press the center plate.
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Post by clifford on Oct 5, 2009 10:06:54 GMT -5
Y'know, I actually think that the Tag title belts are the best example that the WWE could follow for their world titles.
Since winning the belts Jericho and Edge/Show have taken on a variety of challengers (Colons, Legacy, Cryme Tyme, MArk and MVP, Batista/Rey) and have looked dominant while at the same time you believed that there was a chance they could lose the belts. They've now had a close to four month reign, and it will be a big deal when they lose them.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Oct 5, 2009 10:28:24 GMT -5
I get the idea that the face chase is a bigger draw than the face reign, hence giving faces shorter reigns in general so as to start another 'chase.' But there isn't much of a bloody chase any more either so I'm doubting the drawing ability of these rapid changes anyway.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Oct 5, 2009 10:32:39 GMT -5
Y'know, I actually think that the Tag title belts are the best example that the WWE could follow for their world titles. Since winning the belts Jericho and Edge/Show have taken on a variety of challengers (Colons, Legacy, Cryme Tyme, MArk and MVP, Batista/Rey) and have looked dominant while at the same time you believed that there was a chance they could lose the belts. They've now had a close to four month reign, and it will be a big deal when they lose them. Agreed. The Unified Tag straps are the most valuable prizes now. The WWE title has been devalued because the same 3 guys are trading it off, and the WHC is lessened because of the rapid changes. As far as the secondary belts are concerned, theuir current holders are fine, they just need to work on their mic skills and cut good promos( JoMo/Kofi).
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Post by MGH on Oct 5, 2009 10:59:33 GMT -5
Earlier this year when they really started hot potatoeing the belts I was actually happy with it. Coming off the heels of Cena's double reigns of doom and all that. Now though, they've taken THIS and run it in the ground. Why is it this place can't grasp the concept of middle ground with the World Titles? It's like it's one extreme or the other, period, end of discussion. And this is coming from someone HAPPY that Orton won the belt back.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2009 13:56:27 GMT -5
The funny thing about Cena's year long title reign is that was around the time I joined this board. And the one thing I remember most was people constantly bitchy about how his year long title reign was six months too long. With that said, I hate the title changing hands every month, but I don't want year long runs either. I'd like a nice medium. Agree. These days if you have a 6 month long run, that means you won the title and then defended it successfully 6-7 times on PPV besides, which is plenty for me. Having SOME short reigns is okay, but they surely should not constitute the majority of reigns.
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Post by Fantozzi on Oct 5, 2009 14:14:46 GMT -5
I really think in comparing Frequent Title-Changes Vs Long-Consistent Reigns...it's kind of irrelevant. I hated Triple H's long reign. But the current swapping of titles isn't very much fun either. I honestly think it has to do more in terms of quality of the contenders/title holder and the current storylines.. this
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Post by SAJ Forth on Oct 5, 2009 14:43:28 GMT -5
They seemed to go with The Vince Russo rule of Championships. Next thing you know Daniel Tosh will win The Belt on SmackDown.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 5, 2009 17:37:04 GMT -5
So Cena holds the title for more than a year, and we beg for more frequent title changes. Now the title starts changing hands more than Batista changes condoms, and we now want more Cena-like title reigns. Yup, Vince has officially f***ed up our minds. Its not so much the length or frequency of them that gets me as much as the pointlessness of a lot of them. For example: Cenas last title win. If he was just going to lose it back to Orton that quickly, what is the freakin point? so there was a reaon to have another Cena/Orton match
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Post by mrjl on Oct 5, 2009 17:38:09 GMT -5
I agree that every PPV does not need title defenses. Especially with two main world titles, it would be rather easy to alternate defenses between PPVs, and some PPVs such as Royal Rumble do NOT need any world title defenses at all. Definately true.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Oct 5, 2009 17:42:24 GMT -5
As much as I love Russo, the one aspect of his booking that I couldn't stand was the constant title changes.
So now I get constant title changes in WWE but without the entertaining storylines to go with it. No thanks.
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Post by dh03grad on Oct 5, 2009 17:47:25 GMT -5
I agree that every PPV does not need title defenses. Especially with two main world titles, it would be rather easy to alternate defenses between PPVs, and some PPVs such as Royal Rumble do NOT need any world title defenses at all. We need single brand PPVs back. Even with less star power, we got something more important than that. Buildup.
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