Getting Sheamus over as an actual heel

[Tapout]

Here's a start: SHOW SOME EMOTION.

In his Superstars match with Shelton, he acted like a classic ruthless monster heel from the golden days of yore. He gets DQ'd on the 5 count, attacks Shelton again after the bell rang, then has a nice loooong camera closeup as he walks to the back. Two closeups, in fact.

The entire time, the man looked like a robot. He could've thrown a temper tantrum and argued with the ref on the DQ. He could have had an evil grin on his face when he went after Shelton again. He could have had an evil grin while he was walking to the back with the camera zoomed in tight on him, either or both times.

Nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I like his look and he doesn't seem to suck in the ring. I want this guy to succeed, but tonight, he completely blew it.

[Ragnal]

Oct 9, 2009 1:35:21 GMT -5 Tapout said:

Here's a start: SHOW SOME EMOTION.

In his Superstars match with Shelton,

And that's part of the problem. It's hard to look like a good heel when you're going against face Shelton, who starts fights with his tag partners for no real reason.

[Tapout]

Oct 9, 2009 1:37:27 GMT -5 Ragnal said:

Oct 9, 2009 1:35:21 GMT -5 Tapout said:

Here's a start: SHOW SOME EMOTION.

In his Superstars match with Shelton,

And that's part of the problem. It's hard to look like a good heel when you're going against face Shelton, who starts fights with his tag partners for no real reason.

Disagree completely, check the rest of the original post.

[thegame415]

How to get him over as a heel?

Have Sheamus kidnap hornswoggle, dye his hair red, and start wearing him around his neck.

[BorneAgain]

Make him a Orthodox Christian Irishman who doesn't drink, who rarely wears green, has a calm disposition, and who prefers to stay out of fights.

The sheer refusal to adhere to the the national stereotype will enrage the fans all by itself.

[Pagan Warrior]

I want him as a face.

[James McCloud IS John Godot]

His brutalising of Shelton's shoulder should have been more impact based and less hold-based. I feel it would have got more heat.

Also, booking this after Shelton overcame the odds to beat Paul Burchill on ECW was another mistake, in my view. The crowd seemed to be waiting for a Shelton comeback that never came.

Sheamus is not a big enough star to get reactions for failing to break a 5 count, a wrestling rule most don't give a damn about anyway. If Sheamus had took a chair to Shelton's shoulder, the fans would have anticipated the DQ and booed it.

Getting DQ'ed for breaking the 5-count is almost as lame and heat-negating as being DQ'ed for throwing a closed fist.

That said, there are other obstacles Sheamus needs to overcome.

1) He can give a decent promo but they lack focus. There's nothing particularly heelish about being a Celtic Warrior and "Shelton stole my pin" is hardly the height of heeldom either. His big thick Dub accent hurts comprehension as well, fella.

2) The original poster has a point. Sheamus' facial expressions have reduced in number in recent weeks, which is strange. Weird reference point, but look at his Titantron, he has around 20 different reactions there alone. It's almost as if he's being told to tone down his expressions.

3) It's taken up to now to do anything REALLY heelish. An it wasn't much anyway, all in all. His attack on Shelton on ECW could have been good for heat but Shelton won anyway, so that negates it somewhat. If Sheamus had kicked the crap out of Shelton for a few minutes, then rolled him in for Burchill's finisher, he would have got way more heat.

4) Shelton is not a very sympathetic character right now and so makes a less than perfect target to draw heat from. He has just turned face, if in fact he has fully turned at this stage, and so fans aren't going to sympathise with him so easily.

[Tapout]

Oct 9, 2009 6:13:42 GMT -5 James McCloud IS John Godot said:

His brutalising of Shelton's shoulder should have been more impact based and less hold-based. I feel it would have got more heat.

Also, booking this after Shelton overcame the odds to beat Paul Burchill on ECW was another mistake, in my view. The crowd seemed to be waiting for a Shelton comeback that never came.

Sheamus is not a big enough star to get reactions for failing to break a 5 count, a wrestling rule most don't give a damn about anyway. If Sheamus had took a chair to Shelton's shoulder, the fans would have anticipated the DQ and booed it.

Getting DQ'ed for breaking the 5-count is almost as lame and heat-negating as being DQ'ed for throwing a closed fist.

That said, there are other obstacles Sheamus needs to overcome.

1) He can give a decent promo but they lack focus. There's nothing particularly heelish about being a Celtic Warrior and "Shelton stole my pin" is hardly the height of heeldom either. His big thick Dub accent hurts comprehension as well, fella.

2) The original poster has a point. Sheamus' facial expressions have reduced in number in recent weeks, which is strange. Weird reference point, but look at his Titantron, he has around 20 different reactions there alone. It's almost as if he's being told to tone down his expressions.

3) It's taken up to now to do anything REALLY heelish. An it wasn't much anyway, all in all. His attack on Shelton on ECW could have been good for heat but Shelton won anyway, so that negates it somewhat. If Sheamus had kicked the crap out of Shelton for a few minutes, then rolled him in for Burchill's finisher, he would have got way more heat.

4) Shelton is not a very sympathetic character right now and so makes a less than perfect target to draw heat from. He has just turned face, if in fact he has fully turned at this stage, and so fans aren't going to sympathise with him so easily.

In kayfabe, Sheamus' actions last night were, in fact, very, very heelish. Much. When was the last time we even saw anybody take the 5-count DQ on WWE TV? Also, taking the cheap shot at Shelton, a guy that Matthews now refers to as a blue chipper, after the bell (with Shelton selling the attack like a fatal gunshot) is a classic kayfabe heel move. That moment alone should've gotten Shelton over as a sympathetic face and Sheamus over as an evil heel and it did neither.

The man had every opportunity to establish himself as a mean dirty vicious heel last night and he blew it. BLEW IT.

For the record, I re-watched that match earlier and Sheamus didn't have 2 camera close-ups while walking to the back. He had 3. 3 chances to do/say something heelish while walking to the back. Point back at the ring and angrily shout "That's why you don't mess with me, Shelton!!!!" Laugh evilly. Antagonize the fans. Anything. He kind of maybe smirked a little, but for the most part, he almost looked worried for Shelton.

[carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army)]

Sheamus's problem is that he's halfwaying it. Personally, I like non-aggressive heels, or non-traditionally aggressive heels. I love Knox's "evil surgeon" character, and I was a big fan of guys like Hakushi, Robo-Shamrock, and cult-leader Undertaker. Sheamus would totally work as a hulking, robotic, soft-spoken monster.
I mean, OR he would work as a vicious, violent, graar kind of heel. It's just, now he's kinda both. I can see what they're going for: he fights for honor, holds enormous grudges, and wants to seriously be the most dominant wrestler on his own merits (which is why it makes more sense he'd get DQed for not breaking a hold than for getting a chair). But, I still dunno why I should boo him for that. Against Goldust it was fine because Goldust is incredibly sympathetic. But Shelton?

I get a little bit of a sense here in fact that half of the people involved want this to be a tweener/tweener feud and just let the crowd deal, and the other half want Shelton to be the clear face and Sheamus to be the clear heel. It seems to go back and forth.

[thuschongswing]

...so wait, because of a bad match on Superstars, no less, his momentum is now completely destroyed and Sheamus has been absolutely and totally ruined because of it?

Now, I didn't even see the match, but...seriously?

[carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army)]

Oct 9, 2009 13:51:59 GMT -5 thuschongswing said:

...so wait, because of a bad match on Superstars, no less, his momentum is now completely destroyed and Sheamus has been absolutely and totally ruined because of it?

Um.... no. Not even remotely. No one even came close to suggesting that. People are disappointed in him blowing an opportunity to get his character over and disliking his feud with Shelton, but how on earth do you get "completely and utterly destroyed forever" from that?

[Krimzon]

Look here fella, there's nothing wrong with Sheamus at this stage in his career. Let him get a real feel of being on the main roster. No reason to have him start doing too much too soon.

[thuschongswing]

Oct 9, 2009 14:05:29 GMT -5 carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) said:

Oct 9, 2009 13:51:59 GMT -5 thuschongswing said:

...so wait, because of a bad match on Superstars, no less, his momentum is now completely destroyed and Sheamus has been absolutely and totally ruined because of it?

Um.... no. Not even remotely. No one even came close to suggesting that. People are disappointed in him blowing an opportunity to get his character over and disliking his feud with Shelton, but how on earth do you get "completely and utterly destroyed forever" from that?

With the vibes I'm getting in this thread, you would think that Sheamus, rather than beating Shelton in a grossly underwhelming manner, instead jobbed to Triple H in under 10 seconds, and his chance of being a star has been trashed because of it.

I'm not saying that Sheamus has no chance of being big, and I do want him to succeed...but, in my mind, he's still a bit green, so blunders like the Superstars match are still going to happen, and I don't think feuding with Shelton is going to get Sheamus over for the moment.

[Mozenrath]

How to get Sheamus over:

Keep up the good work. He's already over.

[Deleted]

Getting Shaemus over as a heel

Have him do a me versus the world due to people mocking him for being ginger & pale, where he is angry at the world and wants to beat up all non-gingers as well as turning the world into a ginger utopia with all non-gingers either under control or sympathisers with dyed hair

If anyone on WWE Booking reads this and wants more info, I did 2 years solid in an e-fed with that lol

[mysterydriver]

Sheamus seemed sympathetic to me after Shelton's "Family Tree" joke.

They cut to a look at Sheamus during it and he looked completely devastated that someone would mock his heritage, that he has made out to be so proud of.

Just a random note, I suppose.

[MichaelMartini]

Oh man, when did Lou Diamond Phillips start looking like Charles Bronson?

[americanoutlaw911]

He need a manager maybe regal will work great for him and maybe have him go back to sheamus o shaunessy

[mysterydriver]

Oct 10, 2009 2:33:38 GMT -5 MichaelMartini said:

Oh man, when did Lou Diamond Phillips start looking like Charles Bronson?

I did a double take when I looked up the picture.

[Big L]

Personally I don't think sheamus did n e thing wrong n that match n by da way I'm glad shelton is a face again