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Post by metylerca on Oct 11, 2009 17:11:23 GMT -5
Not like HBK hasn't faced some poor draws at Mania, like say Diesel for example. Ooh, ouch, sorry bout that. In what way was Diesel a poor draw? Was it when he was selling ppvs each and every month? Was it when with him in the main event WWF sold out MSG for the first time since 1989 for a house show? Was it the record setting RAW ratings? or was it how after he left it took the WWF EIGHTEEN PPV'S before they could beat the Final Diesel one. But lets not even compare Eddie to Nash in terms of drawing money because the internet would drown in a flood of smark tears. Every PPV Eddie Guererro has main evented has been a complete failiure. The heavily hyped Cheating Death Stealing Life only done a 1.0 tv rating. Im not flame baiting believe me why cant people just accept that he wasn't a big star? Im not saying he was a jobber but in terms of main WWE eventers Noones turned off buyers as much as him ever that says something surely? It's nothing to get stand-off ish about. Eddie, while no Hulk or Austin, was still a very enjoyable star. And who is to judge him by his main event run? It lasted all of 4 months, to be honest. You make it sound as if WWE went into a dark age with Eddie as champ. I remember Smackdown being a fun show with Eddie as champ, and I was a pro-JBL guy right from the start. Now this thread is not about whether or not Eddie Guerrero drew Steve Austin like numbers, it's about whether or not he and Shawn were to wrestle at Wrestlemania 22. I think the extent of that came from Shawn's interview on the Eddie RAW Tribute show where Shawn said he and Eddie would wrestle in heaven someday. A truly heartfelt moment, I think.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 11, 2009 17:13:32 GMT -5
I don't want to get into a thing here, but isn't Nash only second to JBL as the worst drawing WWF/E champion in history?
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Post by stevieraymark on Oct 11, 2009 17:13:58 GMT -5
As much as it would've been a great match i doubt it would've happened. They always try and give Shawn big star big name matches at WM and Eddie just wasnt a big enough star. Now watch my logical post get ripped apart with "lulz did Eddie touch u az a kidd" Is your post logical though? Eddie was a big star and at the time of his death up there with the Undertaker and HBK himself as the most popular babyface in the company. Put it this way. Eddie vs HBK for the first time ever would have been a much bigger match than HBK vs Vince was. He was nowhere near those two in terms of popularity. your also forgetting to mention Batista,Cena,Mysterio as well.
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Post by stevieraymark on Oct 11, 2009 17:16:51 GMT -5
I don't want to get into a thing here, but isn't Nash only second to JBL as the worst drawing WWF/E champion in history? No where near it and both of those were bigger draws than Eddie.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Oct 11, 2009 17:22:23 GMT -5
On the sunject of Eddies death, this has always stuck with me: Does anyone else remember a few weeks before he died during his heel run, he broke character after a SD taping and gave a very, very..."final" speech? Thanking the fans and all that for his career? The timing of it, especially after the fact, is so odd... Oh it was in LA, yeah he gave a pretty nifty speach, It was on youtube
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 11, 2009 17:23:49 GMT -5
I don't want to get into a thing here, but isn't Nash only second to JBL as the worst drawing WWF/E champion in history? No where near it and both of those were bigger draws than Eddie. You actually have numbers to back that up?
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Post by spagett on Oct 11, 2009 17:44:27 GMT -5
I thought it was widely accepted that Diesel was a terrible champion in terms of ratings and buyrates and the like.
I admit to being biased though as I have never liked a single thing Nash has ever done whilst I was a big Eddie fan.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 11, 2009 17:49:12 GMT -5
I don't want to get into a thing here, but isn't Nash only second to JBL as the worst drawing WWF/E champion in history? No where near it and both of those were bigger draws than Eddie. Given JBL as champ drew well, and Diesel had headlined a record selling PPV WWE didn't top the sales of for quite a while, even if that wasn't the case, you'd be a lot more accurate than the original statement was.
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Post by robferatu on Oct 11, 2009 17:53:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I've always been under the assumption that Diesel's run as champion was a flop. I know, I recall reading the buyrates for PPV's were horrible at that time. With that said, I don't think you can really pin that all Diesel. The product as a whole was suffering and they were in a transitional phase.
It's the same with Shawn Michaels first run as champion. He was over, but that didn't reflect in the ratings or buyrates.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 11, 2009 18:03:46 GMT -5
As much as it would've been a great match i doubt it would've happened. They always try and give Shawn big star big name matches at WM and Eddie just wasnt a big enough star. Now watch my logical post get ripped apart with "lulz did Eddie touch u az a kidd" If Eddie is a big enough star to face Kurt Angle in a title match at Mania or Rey Misterio in a featured match, why wouldn't he be big enough to face HBK? If anything, your post is illogical given the history of Eddie in WWE at the time. It would have just been a non title, featured match. Similar to Jericho vs. HBK or, well, the majority of HBKs Mania matches since he came back.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 11, 2009 18:05:27 GMT -5
No where near it and both of those were bigger draws than Eddie. Given JBL as champ drew well, and Diesel had headlined a record selling PPV WWE didn't top the sales of for quite a while, even if that wasn't the case, you'd be a lot more accurate than the original statement was. I'm just saying that's what I've been told. If there's evidence to the contrary, I'd like to hear it.
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 11, 2009 19:38:12 GMT -5
I have no idea what was planned but I feel if this did take place it would have been one of the best matches ever if not the best. Man they would had worked a classic.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Oct 11, 2009 20:31:06 GMT -5
As much as it would've been a great match i doubt it would've happened. They always try and give Shawn big star big name matches at WM and Eddie just wasnt a big enough star. Now watch my logical post get ripped apart with "lulz did Eddie touch u az a kidd" Now I disagree. I think he was enough of a star to have a match with Michaels.
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Post by Fade on Oct 11, 2009 21:58:58 GMT -5
Eddie/HBK could have very well been one of the GOAT matches. I really, honestly, truly believe that.
Two of the absolute best at what they do.
For the record, I don't think Eddie was planned to be given the title. Despite what Steph said.
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Post by Schattenjager on Oct 12, 2009 13:00:17 GMT -5
As much as it would've been a great match i doubt it would've happened. They always try and give Shawn big star big name matches at WM and Eddie just wasnt a big enough star. Now watch my logical post get ripped apart with "lulz did Eddie touch u az a kidd" You obviously don't like Eddie and that's fine, but not a big enough star? Come on. Who was Chris Jericho during his first feud with Shawn around 2003? He had a three month run as the Undisputed Champion, which was a complete flop and the spent the rest of the year basically as a jobber. He went from headlining WrestleMania to losing to a rookie John Cena in just a few months and he was not over. Yet still, he tore the house down with Shawn at WrestleMania XIX. Eddie was one of the most over faces on SmackDown! when he died. Yes, the title reign was a flop, but let's face it, SmackDown! as a whole in 2004 was a flop, as far as ratings go. Remember the SD! right after WrestleMania 21, where the crowd kept chanting EDDIE EDDIE EDDIE when the other main eventers tried to speak? Great moment. Face the truth: Eddie's overness is not revisionist history, it's a fact. And the reason they took the belt off of Eddie was because Eddie couldn't handle the pressure and asked them to give the belt to JBL, JBL has said this on numerous occasions. And Eddie started feeling the effects of his heart condition during the summer of 2004, as well. Angle said that sometimes Eddie couldn't work at all because his heart wasn't working they way it was supposed to be working and this is why he was kept off the title picture. Sadly, we saw where the heart condition lead Eddie.
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Post by tombstoned on Oct 12, 2009 13:09:28 GMT -5
I seriously doubt it and unless you hear Shawn Michaels or someone credible from WWE management or creative mention that this was their plan, then we will never know. 2 out of the 3 people that were supposed to be in that match say that Orton was supposed to win the belt in the Triple Threat match. www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/article436553.ece
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Oct 12, 2009 14:39:03 GMT -5
I always felt this match should have happened too. However, the road to the match itself is riddled with possibility, also mixed with the fact that the HBK/Vince setup felt all so natural, and pun intended, "BIG TIME"...
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 12, 2009 18:03:30 GMT -5
The match I think would have been one that still would have had us talking today.
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