Was HBK vs. Guerrero suppose to happen at WM22?

[phoenixsosa]

This was my dream match and I heard this was going to be the match on the card. Of course, Eddie died. Anyone know if this is true? I am thinking about this now and it wouldn't make any sense. Eddie was suppose to win the title and I am sure he would have held the title until Wrestlemania. HBK was reluctant to be in the title picture at the time. This match would have rocked.

I also saw a picture of HBK, Guerrero and Batista in a dark match. I think it was a 6 man tag or something. I am not sure. All of them were in the ring. It was cool. Anyway, is this just a rumor or is there some truth to this?

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Again, Eddie was not booked to win the title. The took the belt off him before because he couldn't handle it, there's no reason to think they'd put it on him again. If anything, Orton was going to win it.

[phoenixsosa]

Oct 11, 2009 15:33:21 GMT -5 Perpetual Nirvana said:

Again, Eddie was not booked to win the title. The took the belt off him before because he couldn't handle it, there's no reason to think they'd put it on him again. If anything, Orton was going to win it.

Hmm, are you sure? All of those house show reports before Eddie's death suggest that he was going to win the title again.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Well if he was going to win it, it wouldn't be a very long reign.

[Convoy]

Oct 11, 2009 15:35:46 GMT -5 @phoenixsosa said:

Oct 11, 2009 15:33:21 GMT -5 Perpetual Nirvana said:

Again, Eddie was not booked to win the title. The took the belt off him before because he couldn't handle it, there's no reason to think they'd put it on him again. If anything, Orton was going to win it.

Hmm, are you sure? All of those house show reports before Eddie's death suggest that he was going to win the title again.

I could be wrong, but I believe they wanted to give Eddie the belt and he fought against it. He pushed for them to give it to Orton.

Never heard anything about HBK vs. Eddie.

[Nickybojelais]

Heard Michaels quoted in numerous interviews saying he'd have enjoyed a feud (an oxymoron if ever there was) with Eddie, can't recall any talk of a Mania match though.

[randomranter]

Oct 11, 2009 15:35:46 GMT -5 @phoenixsosa said:

Oct 11, 2009 15:33:21 GMT -5 Perpetual Nirvana said:

Again, Eddie was not booked to win the title. The took the belt off him before because he couldn't handle it, there's no reason to think they'd put it on him again. If anything, Orton was going to win it.

Hmm, are you sure? All of those house show reports before Eddie's death suggest that he was going to win the title again.

We don't know for sure whether or not they took the title off him because "he couldn't handle it." Similarly, we don't know whether or not he was booked to win the title back, either.

Most of the rumors we've heard about Eddie winning the title back originated after he died. I think the most prominent one is that Stephanie has said that there were plans to give him back the belt. However, we don't know for sure if these "plans" were really in the works, or if Stephanie/the WWE/whoever was just saying that in order to make people feel a little better.

It's like back when Owen died. We heard a ton of stories about how he was going to eventually win the world title, even though every piece of hard evidence pointed in the exact opposite direction -- most notably, it was well known (both before and after his death) that he was planning on winding down his career and retiring in the next couple of years, and had planned on putting as many others over on the way out as possible.

I think the same thing applies here. It's fairly obvious his position in the uppercard/main event was secured. However, I think the stories about him winning the belt are just that -- stories, made up in an attempt to make those mourning Eddie's death feel a little bit better.

That all being said, Eddie/HBK didn't have to be for the title. They'd have torn the house down anyway.

[Mozenrath]

Oct 11, 2009 15:46:58 GMT -5 Nickybojelais said:

Heard Michaels quoted in numerous interviews saying he'd have enjoyed a feud (an oxymoron if ever there was) with Eddie, can't recall any talk of a Mania match though.

Would of been a dream match, for sure.

Batista has said in interviews that Eddie was going to get another reign in the near future before he died. When this would of been is hard to say.

[stevieraymark]

As much as it would've been a great match i doubt it would've happened. They always try and give Shawn big star big name matches at WM and Eddie just wasnt a big enough star.



Now watch my logical post get ripped apart with "lulz did Eddie touch u az a kidd"

[hbk4ever09]

Mehh Shawn has Vince's ear, and Shawn probably would've wanted to face Eddie. No doubt in my mind he'd have rather faced Eddie than Vince and thus have to jump 20ft through a table to get the match over. (It was a good match though...).

[hajimenoippo]

I was really looking foward to Survivor Series because at that time it was going to be Eddie/HBK for the first time. Really that's what got me supre hyped, along with the whole build of Smackdown vs. RAw

[spagett]

Oct 11, 2009 16:16:34 GMT -5 stevieraymark said:

As much as it would've been a great match i doubt it would've happened. They always try and give Shawn big star big name matches at WM and Eddie just wasnt a big enough star.



Now watch my logical post get ripped apart with "lulz did Eddie touch u az a kidd"

Is your post logical though?

Eddie was a big star and at the time of his death up there with the Undertaker and HBK himself as the most popular babyface in the company.

Put it this way. Eddie vs HBK for the first time ever would have been a much bigger match than HBK vs Vince was.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Oct 11, 2009 16:16:34 GMT -5 stevieraymark said:

As much as it would've been a great match i doubt it would've happened. They always try and give Shawn big star big name matches at WM and Eddie just wasnt a big enough star.

I always thought Eddie was a decent draw, especially with the Hispanic audience. Not an astronomical sucess but still made some decent money.

Not like HBK hasn't faced some poor draws at Mania, like say Diesel for example. Ooh, ouch, sorry bout that.

[hbk4ever09]

I mean maybe i'm not remembering correctly but wasn't Eddie just as big as Angle was when HBK faced him at WM 21?

[phoenixsosa]

Oct 11, 2009 15:53:22 GMT -5 randomranter said:

Oct 11, 2009 15:35:46 GMT -5 @phoenixsosa said:

Hmm, are you sure? All of those house show reports before Eddie's death suggest that he was going to win the title again.

We don't know for sure whether or not they took the title off him because "he couldn't handle it." Similarly, we don't know whether or not he was booked to win the title back, either.

Most of the rumors we've heard about Eddie winning the title back originated after he died. I think the most prominent one is that Stephanie has said that there were plans to give him back the belt. However, we don't know for sure if these "plans" were really in the works, or if Stephanie/the WWE/whoever was just saying that in order to make people feel a little better.

It's like back when Owen died. We heard a ton of stories about how he was going to eventually win the world title, even though every piece of hard evidence pointed in the exact opposite direction -- most notably, it was well known (both before and after his death) that he was planning on winding down his career and retiring in the next couple of years, and had planned on putting as many others over on the way out as possible.

I think the same thing applies here. It's fairly obvious his position in the uppercard/main event was secured. However, I think the stories about him winning the belt are just that -- stories, made up in an attempt to make those mourning Eddie's death feel a little bit better.

That all being said, Eddie/HBK didn't have to be for the title. They'd have torn the house down anyway.

I remember the title change rumor before his death, not after.

[hajimenoippo]

Yeah they announced Batista's injury and the Triple Threat was supposed to be when big Dave would drop the belt.

[rrm15]

On the sunject of Eddies death, this has always stuck with me:

Does anyone else remember a few weeks before he died during his heel run, he broke character after a SD taping and gave a very, very..."final" speech? Thanking the fans and all that for his career? The timing of it, especially after the fact, is so odd...

[Crappler El 0 M]

I seriously doubt it and unless you hear Shawn Michaels or someone credible from WWE management or creative mention that this was their plan, then we will never know.

[stevieraymark]

Oct 11, 2009 16:39:59 GMT -5 Perpetual Nirvana said:

Oct 11, 2009 16:16:34 GMT -5 stevieraymark said:

Not like HBK hasn't faced some poor draws at Mania, like say Diesel for example. Ooh, ouch, sorry bout that.

In what way was Diesel a poor draw? Was it when he was selling ppvs each and every month? Was it when with him in the main event WWF sold out MSG for the first time since 1989 for a house show? Was it the record setting RAW ratings? or was it how after he left it took the WWF EIGHTEEN PPV'S before they could beat the Final Diesel one. But lets not even compare Eddie to Nash in terms of drawing money because the internet would drown in a flood of smark tears.

Every PPV Eddie Guererro has main evented has been a complete failiure. The heavily hyped Cheating Death Stealing Life only done a 1.0 tv rating. Im not flame baiting believe me why cant people just accept that he wasn't a big star? Im not saying he was a jobber but in terms of main WWE eventers Noones turned off buyers as much as him ever that says something surely?

[Crappler El 0 M]

Not really relevant, but I'll chime in on the little Diesel comments: Shawn himself wasn't really a draw when he faced Diesel at Mania. Diesel was more over than Michaels at that point and was the bigger name.