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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 26, 2009 18:49:47 GMT -5
If it's true, then it's beyond pathetic.
The ROH and DG USA shows are bonuses for people coming to the area to watch wrestling. They aren't going to cut into the Hall of Fame or the Wrestlemania event itself. They are extras for people coming to Phoenix who are there to see wrestling. If it's true, it's complete bullshit on WWE's part.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Oct 26, 2009 20:00:19 GMT -5
Then again, I can see Vince's point, because let's say hypothetically on Wrestlemania weekend one of the indy guys in front of the biggest crowd of his life tries to steal a show and ends up crippling or killing himself and/or another worker. On wrestlemania weekend. In the same city. Vince already is held responsible for all the deaths in wrestling by the media and general public. That would be just an atomosphere destroyer for WWE.
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Post by H-Fist on Oct 26, 2009 20:15:46 GMT -5
Then again, I can see Vince's point, because let's say hypothetically on Wrestlemania weekend one of the indy guys in front of the biggest crowd of his life tries to steal a show and ends up crippling or killing himself and/or another worker. On wrestlemania weekend. In the same city. Vince already is held responsible for all the deaths in wrestling by the media and general public. That would be just an atomosphere destroyer for WWE. The wrestlers working Ring of Honor and Dragon Gate USA on WrestleMania weekend are going to be the absolute best talent their money can buy. There are Divas on the active WWE roster who are more likely to kill or injure themselves or others in the ring than are ROH or DGUSA talents. I would think that WWE would be more concerned with the content of the shows. A WWE spot match like MitB would seem rather tame to a kid in the upper bowl of the U of Phoenix stadium who just 24 hours previously had seen a six-man mayhem from the 7th row at an ROH or DGUSA show. An extreme rules match with no blood at WrestleMania is sort of tame next to an ROH ladder war, again seen right up close. And, again, with a PG product to sustain WWE likely wouldn't want to risk seeing any press - positive or negative - about the language and content of an indie show. All that being said, WWE shouldn't try to prevent top indies from running that weekend. It gives the fans something extra to do and offers families the options of splitting up because late-teens might not enjoy Axxess as much as kids. WWE forgets, and we need to remind them at every opportunity, that they do not have an inherent right to 100% of our wrestling dollars.
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Post by wwerules60 on Oct 26, 2009 20:22:09 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense to me, WWE doesn't want others leeching off of them.
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Post by sabuicide on Oct 26, 2009 20:23:41 GMT -5
I'm not saying not to discuss it, or that we shouldn't discuss it or whatever. I was trying to get some indication on how credible the sources were. The story is a word for word rip from PWInsider so I'd say it's very credible. I loved the bit that was like "they view it as THEIR week." Makes WWE sound like an unruly Bride. Imagine Vince stomping around, pouting like an angry bride. It is their week though. This is the Superbowl coming to town basically. WWE will pump so much into the city that the cities are paying WWE to come to them. They are giving WWE the keys to the city and WWE is trying to make sure no one screws them on it. I am not saying that ROH or DGUSA would do this but, imagine if a wrestling company shows up and, puts on a crap show, causes trouble or screws fans somehow, it doesn't look bad on whatever company caused it, it looks bad on WWE because they are wrestling in the area for the time. That logic is terrible. It's a free enterprise system in America still, and any wrestling company has the right to run a show during "their week". As much as the WWE wants to be a monopoly, it's not, and there's still people trying to take down the WWE. I don't care how much money the WWE makes for the city, they constitutionally cannot BAN another wrestling promotion from running an event.
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Post by slashandburn on Oct 26, 2009 20:24:47 GMT -5
I can see Vince's point, but I still think it's petty as anything. Not like an ROH show is going to overshow Wrestlemania. Or is Vinnie Mac really that scared of the greatness that is Rhett Titus stealing focus?
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Oct 26, 2009 20:27:24 GMT -5
The story is a word for word rip from PWInsider so I'd say it's very credible. It is their week though. This is the Superbowl coming to town basically. WWE will pump so much into the city that the cities are paying WWE to come to them. They are giving WWE the keys to the city and WWE is trying to make sure no one screws them on it. I am not saying that ROH or DGUSA would do this but, imagine if a wrestling company shows up and, puts on a crap show, causes trouble or screws fans somehow, it doesn't look bad on whatever company caused it, it looks bad on WWE because they are wrestling in the area for the time. That logic is terrible. It's a free enterprise system in America still, and any wrestling company has the right to run a show during "their week". As much as the WWE wants to be a monopoly, it's not, and there's still people trying to take down the WWE. I don't care how much money the WWE makes for the city, they constitutionally cannot BAN another wrestling promotion from running an event. If they rent the city, they can do what they want, same as any other company. NFL does for the Super Bowl, NBA does it for the All Star game and other companies do it for other things. As long as WWE is paying or has the right to the city, they can do as they want legally.
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Post by Michael Coello on Oct 26, 2009 20:28:16 GMT -5
I can see Vince's point, but I still think it's petty as anything. Not like an ROH show is going to overshow Wrestlemania. Or is Vinnie Mac really that scared of the greatness that is Rhett Titus stealing focus? Anyone should be scared of Rhett Titus stealing focus.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 26, 2009 20:34:40 GMT -5
Then again, I can see Vince's point, because let's say hypothetically on Wrestlemania weekend one of the indy guys in front of the biggest crowd of his life tries to steal a show and ends up crippling or killing himself and/or another worker. On wrestlemania weekend. In the same city. Vince already is held responsible for all the deaths in wrestling by the media and general public. That would be just an atomosphere destroyer for WWE. Oh please. Maybe WWE should have all their wrestlers travel to Wrestlemania via armored car and ban anything but headlocks at every Mania match. WHAT IF SOMEONE GETS HURT. Stupid logic. If this is true, its just WWE flexing muscle like they always do. *cues vids of Vince whining about Bischoff trying to hurt the other guy through shady business dealings*
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 26, 2009 20:35:11 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense to me, WWE doesn't want others leeching off of them. Even if, by doing so, they bring in more money and fans for the WWE?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 26, 2009 20:36:23 GMT -5
I seriously doubt this. Does Vince even know a single thing about DGUSA?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 26, 2009 20:38:51 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense to me, WWE doesn't want others leeching off of them. Leeching? Leeching how? How would this hurt WWE in any way whatsoever? How has it in the past? I know ROH has been running Mania shows since I believe WM 22.
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Post by wwerules60 on Oct 26, 2009 20:40:28 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense to me, WWE doesn't want others leeching off of them. Even if, by doing so, they bring in more money and fans for the WWE? I'm doubting very much that ROH will be bringing more paying fans to WWE on Wrestlemania weekend than the WWE will bring to ROH.
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Post by wwerules60 on Oct 26, 2009 20:41:45 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense to me, WWE doesn't want others leeching off of them. Leeching? Leeching how? How would this hurt WWE in any way whatsoever? How has it in the past? I know ROH has been running Mania shows since I believe WM 22. It probably won't hurt the WWE but why would they want it to happen? If I ran a company I wouldn't want to help out the competition.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 26, 2009 20:44:38 GMT -5
Leeching? Leeching how? How would this hurt WWE in any way whatsoever? How has it in the past? I know ROH has been running Mania shows since I believe WM 22. It probably won't hurt the WWE but why would they want it to happen? If I ran a company I wouldn't want to help out the competition. ROH is competition? Thats like saying the local family diner is competition for Burger King because they both sell burgers.
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Post by wwerules60 on Oct 26, 2009 20:52:34 GMT -5
It probably won't hurt the WWE but why would they want it to happen? If I ran a company I wouldn't want to help out the competition. ROH is competition? Thats like saying the local family diner is competition for Burger King because they both sell burgers. And if Burger King was having a giant Burger King weekend sale and the family diner down the street went and advertised for people to come to their own Burger Weekend Sale. But Hamburgers and professional wrestling don't really translate.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 26, 2009 21:00:34 GMT -5
ROH is competition? Thats like saying the local family diner is competition for Burger King because they both sell burgers. And if Burger King was having a giant Burger King weekend sale and the family diner down the street went and advertised for people to come to their own Burger Weekend Sale. But Hamburgers and professional wrestling don't really translate. Wrestling seemed to do just fine when there was actual competition.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Oct 26, 2009 21:18:51 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense to me, WWE doesn't want others leeching off of them. This. People have been ignoring that ROH ran shows at the same time as HOF and Axxess
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Post by mightydavidson on Oct 26, 2009 21:46:16 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense to me, WWE doesn't want others leeching off of them. This. People have been ignoring that ROH ran shows at the same time as HOF and Axxess ZOMG! You mean ROH has been doing something completely legal near Vince? My word, this totally justifies Vince using monopolistic tactics (aren't those illegal?) to stop it! People not employed by Vince must be prevented from making a living!
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Post by MGH on Oct 26, 2009 21:48:58 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense to me, WWE doesn't want others leeching off of them. This. People have been ignoring that ROH ran shows at the same time as HOF and Axxess ...and this means what to them? ROH is going to draw 800-1,000 depending on the venue. Guess what, both WWE events will be full to capacity regardless.
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