Miz vs Swagger feud question

[Mozenrath]

Now, this feud has been brewing for a while now, given they were already snapping at one another while Miz and Swagger were after the US title, after Carlito and MVP had already dropped off.

Swagger usually gets the last hit in these, but Miz gets the last word.

What I'm curious about, though, is: is this a heel vs heel feud? Is one of them turning face?

The reason I ask is, Swagger and Miz have both been getting over, and getting pops to go with their heat. Miz's "Cause I'm the Miz and I'M AWESOME!", while a bane of the some of the board, has been parroted by the fanbase, not at all unlike his "HOO-RAHH" in the past. Like with Kennedy but luckily without the injuries, it's definitely got potential if/when Miz turns face.

Swagger, on the other hand, acts more like a usual face. He is physically on the bullying side in matches, but rarely if ever cheats. He's always grinning, and Eve didn't seem to reject his advances, while he got under Miz's skin and cost him the match.

That leaves the question, is one of them supposed to be the face here, so to speak, or is it a straight up Heel vs Heel feud?

[CMWaters]

I'm just thinking they may be adding Evan Bourne into this, because he got the count-out win over Miz.

But then again, last time Bourne got a win over a US Champion (Kofi Kingston), that amounted to nothing.

[Mozenrath]

Oct 27, 2009 15:16:24 GMT -5 CMWaters said:

I'm just thinking they may be adding Evan Bourne into this, because he got the count-out win over Miz.

But then again, last time Bourne got a win over a US Champion (Kofi Kingston), that amounted to nothing.

True, and it seemed like an afterthought that he won at all, so if he's going to be part of the feud, I guess it'll remain to be seen.

I doubt they'd do it now, but did Kofi ever get his title rematch? Then again, Jillian did not, either, so who the hell knows?

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I'd think heel vs. heel. More or less a "testing ground" to see who the crowd chooses while also showing the importance of the US title.

Finally, WWE is a bit "off" on US faces right now. MVP and Henry seem to be tagging more often than not, Kofi has moved on at least temporarily (which is a good thing, as he's done about as much as he could with the belt) and they're elevating Evan Bourne it seems, but the heels still have the edge.

[Mozenrath]

Oct 27, 2009 15:19:29 GMT -5 default said:

I'd think heel vs. heel. More or less a "testing ground" to see who the crowd chooses while also showing the importance of the US title.

Finally, WWE is a bit "off" on US faces right now. MVP and Henry seem to be tagging more often than not, Kofi has moved on at least temporarily (which is a good thing, as he's done about as much as he could with the belt) and they're elevating Evan Bourne it seems, but the heels still have the edge.

True. The only other possible US title face I could think of would be, say, Primo, and that'd be a stretch.

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Oct 27, 2009 15:21:08 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Oct 27, 2009 15:19:29 GMT -5 default said:

I'd think heel vs. heel. More or less a "testing ground" to see who the crowd chooses while also showing the importance of the US title.

Finally, WWE is a bit "off" on US faces right now. MVP and Henry seem to be tagging more often than not, Kofi has moved on at least temporarily (which is a good thing, as he's done about as much as he could with the belt) and they're elevating Evan Bourne it seems, but the heels still have the edge.

True. The only other possible US title face I could think of would be, say, Primo, and that'd be a stretch.

Yeah, which makes it more odd that they brought over Seamus.

Maybe WWE is looking into turning one of them.

[Mozenrath]

Oct 27, 2009 15:24:30 GMT -5 default said:

Oct 27, 2009 15:21:08 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

True. The only other possible US title face I could think of would be, say, Primo, and that'd be a stretch.

Yeah, which makes it more odd that they brought over Seamus.

Maybe WWE is looking into turning one of them.

True. Hell, or Sheamus, but that's be odd given Cole spent the whole time whining that guys "in the locker room"(what is he doing hanging out in there, anyway?) think Sheamus is a meanie-beanie-fo-feenie, bananana mo-peenie.

[Tapout]

Oct 27, 2009 15:24:30 GMT -5 default said:

Oct 27, 2009 15:21:08 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

True. The only other possible US title face I could think of would be, say, Primo, and that'd be a stretch.

Yeah, which makes it more odd that they brought over Seamus.

Maybe WWE is looking into turning one of them.

I think OTG has it right. WWE has too many upper-card heels and not enough upper-card faces right now.

I will say that I think it's way too early to turn either Miz or Swagger, since both guys are just now getting over as heels.

Honestly, I think one of the best paths to go is to reunite Swagger and Sheamus as a tag team and have them be fairly dominant, and when the team does have to do the job, Sheamus takes the pinfall to keep Swagger's 2009 streak alive.

Then Sheamus gets fed up with Swagger down the line and turns face. I think they'd have a good, solid feud that could elevate both men if done right.

[CMWaters]

Tapout: Eh, your idea is good, I'll admit. But it ruins my idea for an eventual Finlay/Sheamus cross-brand feud.

Which is kicked off by Sheamus beating the crap out of Hornswoggle.

[Mozenrath]

Oct 27, 2009 15:35:17 GMT -5 CMWaters said:

Tapout: Eh, your idea is good, I'll admit. But it ruins my idea for an eventual Finlay/Sheamus cross-brand feud.

Which is kicked off by Sheamus beating the crap out of Hornswoggle.

Whether they feud or not, Sheamus will likely target 'Swoggle at some point, given he openly mocked him and Finlay on debut as more or less being sellouts pandering to American conceptions of the Irish.

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Oct 27, 2009 15:40:09 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Oct 27, 2009 15:35:17 GMT -5 CMWaters said:

Tapout: Eh, your idea is good, I'll admit. But it ruins my idea for an eventual Finlay/Sheamus cross-brand feud.

Which is kicked off by Sheamus beating the crap out of Hornswoggle.

Whether they feud or not, Sheamus will likely target 'Swoggle at some point, given he openly mocked him and Finlay on debut as more or less being sellouts pandering to American conceptions of the Irish.

Sadly, Sheamus will then have to face the wrath of HBK. ...And if DX is still going, constant ginger knocks from HHH.

[Threadkiller [Classic]]

What I'm more curious about is why Bourne's dive to the outside didn't stop the referee's ten-count. Bourne dove out at 6 and laid around with Miz and Swagger till about 8, when he got back in the ring. Miz couldn't get up and beat the count in time and was counted out. But what if Bourne hadn't gotten up? Would he have been counted out too? Despite having only been outside the ring for a count of 4?

I know it's just wrestling, but seriously, this is like HHH not hitting Ted DiBiase on the apron because it would get him disqualified. When you're trying to rope-in new fans, you have to be consistent with the rules of wrestling. Kids aren't going to stick with crap they find confusing (although that didn't necessarily dissuade me from watching "ReBoot" as a kid, so maybe I'm just wrong about this).

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I'd rather neither of these two turn face but if one of them has to, I say go with Swagger. Both of them are rolling well as heels at the moment, but Miz could benefit from a more extended run as a heel before he jumps sides given how good he is in the role.

Have the feeling, though, that Miz would be the one to turn due to being smaller and having a catchphrase that's already over with the crowd. Plus, Miz comes off as more a goofy, amusing kind of guy you could like if you were agreeing with him while Swagger more directly comes off as an arrogant jackass.

Of course, Bourne will probably just be added to the feud, this is just hypothetical.

[Dr. T is an alien]

I see both of them adopting more of a tweener role for a little while. I do find it odd that it was Sheamus that was brought up. Bringing up Golddust and having him mess with the heads of both Swagger and The Miz might have been a better idea.

[CMWaters]

Dr. T: I'd rather, since Sheamus left ECW, they have Goldust and Shelton become a tag team for a while for some strange reason.

Could do something for their careers, perhaps.

[Dr. T is an alien]

Oct 27, 2009 18:07:44 GMT -5 CMWaters said:

Dr. T: I'd rather, since Sheamus left ECW, they have Goldust and Shelton become a tag team for a while for some strange reason.

Could do something for their careers, perhaps.

Golddust in a tag team with an athletic and serious black man? That would never, ever work. ;D

[CMWaters]

Oct 27, 2009 18:12:02 GMT -5 Dr. T is an alien said:

Oct 27, 2009 18:07:44 GMT -5 CMWaters said:

Dr. T: I'd rather, since Sheamus left ECW, they have Goldust and Shelton become a tag team for a while for some strange reason.

Could do something for their careers, perhaps.

Golddust in a tag team with an athletic and serious black man? That would never, ever work. ;D

Don't discount the power of The Gold Rush!

[Tapout]

Oct 27, 2009 18:12:02 GMT -5 Dr. T is an alien said:

Oct 27, 2009 18:07:44 GMT -5 CMWaters said:

Dr. T: I'd rather, since Sheamus left ECW, they have Goldust and Shelton become a tag team for a while for some strange reason.

Could do something for their careers, perhaps.

Golddust in a tag team with an athletic and serious black man? That would never, ever work. ;D

At the local 7-11, I'll bet the veteran Goldust would generously offer Shelton a bite of his wiener.