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Post by Supercheese on Oct 29, 2009 20:00:31 GMT -5
Vansen's ring work was terrible apparently.
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Post by David Otunga: Eternian at Law on Oct 29, 2009 20:27:51 GMT -5
I feel bad for Kizarny.
He was pretty much doomed from the first promo.
We can deal with a wrestler who's sorta a freak such as Goldust but Kizarny just sorta felt like a professional freak trying to be a wrestler. This sort of promotion automatically takes us back to the pre-Attitude era of TL Hopper and such. Its pretty much why Pirate Paul didn't work either.
We can deal with a guy who is gimmicky but the over the top gimmick such as clowns and plumbers and vikings and such just have had their time and its passed.
What makes me laugh is that the one gimmick that I still think was worth while and they scrapped was Hade Vansens just an Evil Guy gimmick...granted I don't think running him directly against Taker was a good idea when we had yet to see how well he was or was not in ring.
Which I understand was not that great to begin with...he should have been likely brought in to manage Thorn instead.
Thorn was a similar issue his gimmick actually worked, and even when they dumped Shelly they could have easily replaced her with any large breasted woman in goth cloths and kept it going.
As far as I'm concerned Hade, Kizarny and Thorn are just 3 in a long line of mishandled talent.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 29, 2009 20:33:34 GMT -5
Kizarny couldn't get people into the match, because he didn't really do anything heelish, and MVP was starting to get sympathy, but was still somewhat of a heel, so it was a messed up match.
Looking back, they could have made him Edge's henchmen. They could do some funny vingette in the back with Vickie Guerrero (like they kinda did) and maybe have him harass Vickie for a few weeks. When Vickie gets fed up and goes to fire him, Edge talks about he and Kizarny grew up together, and he let him come into the office and to give him a chance.
So, Edge faces off against somebody, and during the match, Edge is almost about to lose, and Kizarny comes out and beats the hell out of the opponent, and tries to mess the guy up and then Edge pulls him off and put him off as really twisted. Like, something little like that.
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Post by TripleMerc on Oct 29, 2009 20:48:13 GMT -5
Its pretty much why Pirate Paul didn't work either. Pirate Paul DID work though, it's when he dropped that that he seemed to lose all his heat.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Oct 29, 2009 20:50:10 GMT -5
Yeah I felt bad for Kizarny. They could've at least have him swallowing fire during his entrance or something, seeing as he genuinely could do it. He's the last guy I remember having vignettes though, they need to do that more often.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Oct 29, 2009 21:36:12 GMT -5
Who would have thunk that a wrestling Carny gimmick could fail?
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Post by Albino Heat on Oct 29, 2009 21:42:47 GMT -5
It's hard for me to call Hade a waste due to, you know, him never actually doing anything.
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 29, 2009 22:15:08 GMT -5
I think both guys fell victim to the economic bust as well, when WWE was looking to cut back, and seemed expendable.
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Post by SenorCrest on Oct 29, 2009 22:48:29 GMT -5
Like a said a billion times. If they had Kizarny team up with The Great Khali, and maybe the bella twins, and Hornswoggle(or boogeyman). Maybe also come out on a unicycle breathing fire.
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 29, 2009 23:48:23 GMT -5
Like a said a billion times. If they had Kizarny team up with The Great Khali, and maybe the bella twins, and Hornswoggle(or boogeyman). Maybe also come out on a unicycle breathing fire. There's your New And Improved DX 2009!
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Post by casualobserver on Oct 30, 2009 0:08:28 GMT -5
Have to give Hade an incomplete since we didn't see much of him. I was already sick of Kizarny after about the 2nd vignette, and he couldn't even match the storied career of Braden Walker in the ring.
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