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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 21, 2009 22:53:44 GMT -5
Well, it's not like the guy would win against Meng or Scott Steiner. Oh man, I would pay good money to see Haku beat the crap out of New Jack. See it? f***, I'd pay to MAKE that happen, not just to see it.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Apr 21, 2009 23:04:47 GMT -5
Oh man, I would pay good money to see Haku beat the crap out of New Jack. ...and then sell him a car at sticker price.* *-Haku has been working as a manager at a car dealership for some time now, according to internet sources.Dude, I would hate to work at that car dealership. I mean, seriously, what happens if I don't make my quota? I get snorkin' Tonga Death Gripped. Still when you think about it, it is an acceptable alternative to firing in this economy.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Apr 21, 2009 23:13:24 GMT -5
I wish someone would, but then again he hasn't worked in a relevant fed since 2000 so what indy guy is gonna take something on New Jack? He spent a good chink of time in TNA. He wrestled once in WSX and did a few CZW shows, too. Who gets to define what a 'relevant' promotion is, anyway? To me, WWE is totally irrelevant to me as far as contemporary wrestling is concerned.
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Post by Kick Your Face on Apr 21, 2009 23:56:10 GMT -5
New Jack definitely isn't the badass he is made out to be. If it came down to a legit shoot with no weapons, I can name over three hundred wrestlers that could easily kick his ass. Your full of crap. With a guy like New Jack I doubt anyone "easily" does anything in a street fight. It would most likely be one of those situations where even if the other guy did win he would still lose. Say what you want about the guy, but one things certain and that is that New Jack knows how to F someone up, and he ain't shy about doing it. In a street fight New Jack would be more then enough for anyone to handle, Wrestler, Cop, MMA fighter, you name it. You've got to be joking. Lock New Jack in a room without sharp objects for 24 hours with Kensuke Sasaki and see who comes out alive and who doesn't. I'd put everything I own on Kensuke. All he would have to do is tackle New Jack to the ground and his punches are going to be way more effective than New Jack's. Hell, they're already more effective standing up. It's no contest and a no brainer.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Apr 22, 2009 0:36:01 GMT -5
I don't like how New Jack has taken so many liberties with people in the ring, especially when you're supposed to trust the guy you work with. You're simulating violence when this guy is trying to kill you for real.
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Post by macdaddysquid on Apr 22, 2009 0:47:44 GMT -5
New JAck almost killed me before!!!!!
I am at an IWC show and he is passing by. I scream Nwe Jack sucks and he walks through the crowd searching for the guy who said it
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Post by sexualvanilla on Apr 22, 2009 0:51:47 GMT -5
If he beats and stabs any wrestlers, it's usually a bunch of Indy geeks. He wouldn't mess with anyone who'd be capable of knocking him out nor would he be the target of anyone. If anything, he seems to be somewhat well liked among the more famous wrestlers of his era who have worked with him
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 0:52:29 GMT -5
What gives the wrestler(s) any right to "teach" New jack a lesson in the first place? Seems like everyone hates New Jack for shooting on people in the incredibly hazy world of hardcore wrestling where most matches resemble a shoot anyway. At the end of the day, how's that going to make-up for any damage Jack has done or not done to other wrestlers? Unless New Jack shot on the guy before, how would New Jack getting beat down be any better than his attacks on others?
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Post by The Line on Apr 22, 2009 2:47:03 GMT -5
I don't think anyone needs to "teach him a lesson".
The three big cases I've heard about him incredibly stiffing someone are not without justification. Did he go too far? Yeah, most of the time, I'd say so. But that comes from both an extreme love for the business, and a very old school mentality where issues were settled in the ring(I'm sure a lot of that comes from working in Smokey Mountain).
Anyway, the "big three" that I've heard of.
1. Mass Transit-He had no business being in the ring. New Jack knew it. Everyone knew it. Even Mass Transit knew it, to an extent. New Jack wanted to teach him, and everyone else that may find themselves in this position a lesson. Did he go too far. Yes, but once again, it stems from his old school mentality and his love of the business. If this had been in the 60's/70's in some territory, it wouldn't be nearly as legendary; it would be more normal.
2. Gypsy Joe-As we all know, New Jack is a little unstable. Throw him in a hostile environment like he was for this match, and that's a lot of combustible elements. Not only was the crowd being racist, reportedly, so was Joe. Not only that, Joe was refusing to sell Jack's offense. So, not only was Jack offended morally, he was offended in that he loves wrestling so much. So out comes old school "we settle this in the ring" New Jack. At times, I tend to think that New Jack didn't go far enough in this situation.
3. Vic Grimes- We all know the story of the two falling, and Grimes accidentally landing on Jack's head, causing him permanent physical damage. But for a while after this incident, Grimes was heard bragging at indy shows about how he hurt Jack on purpose and whatnot. As you can understand, New Jack had every right to be upset. Did he go too far? Yes. But its been reported that the two have since reconciled and there is no bad blood over the incident.
So yes, while New Jack does have the habit of going too far, its not like he's out there maiming random individuals for sport. If this had all happened in the 70's in a territory, no one would even care.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Apr 22, 2009 3:13:18 GMT -5
I don't think anyone needs to "teach him a lesson". The three big cases I've heard about him incredibly stiffing someone are not without justification. Did he go too far? Yeah, most of the time, I'd say so. But that comes from both an extreme love for the business, and a very old school mentality where issues were settled in the ring(I'm sure a lot of that comes from working in Smokey Mountain). Anyway, the "big three" that I've heard of. 1. Mass Transit-He had no business being in the ring. New Jack knew it. Everyone knew it. Even Mass Transit knew it, to an extent. New Jack wanted to teach him, and everyone else that may find themselves in this position a lesson. Did he go too far. Yes, but once again, it stems from his old school mentality and his love of the business. If this had been in the 60's/70's in some territory, it wouldn't be nearly as legendary; it would be more normal. 2. Gypsy Joe-As we all know, New Jack is a little unstable. Throw him in a hostile environment like he was for this match, and that's a lot of combustible elements. Not only was the crowd being racist, reportedly, so was Joe. Not only that, Joe was refusing to sell Jack's offense. So, not only was Jack offended morally, he was offended in that he loves wrestling so much. So out comes old school "we settle this in the ring" New Jack. At times, I tend to think that New Jack didn't go far enough in this situation. 3. Vic Grimes- We all know the story of the two falling, and Grimes accidentally landing on Jack's head, causing him permanent physical damage. But for a while after this incident, Grimes was heard bragging at indy shows about how he hurt Jack on purpose and whatnot. As you can understand, New Jack had every right to be upset. Did he go too far? Yes. But its been reported that the two have since reconciled and there is no bad blood over the incident. So yes, while New Jack does have the habit of going too far, its not like he's out there maiming random individuals for sport. If this had all happened in the 70's in a territory, no one would even care. He tried to throw Vic Grimes into the ring post. off of a scaffold. instead of through the tables, like he was supposed to. He even said he was trying to kill him. No excuse for what he did.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Apr 22, 2009 5:40:31 GMT -5
I don't think anyone needs to "teach him a lesson". The three big cases I've heard about him incredibly stiffing someone are not without justification. Did he go too far? Yeah, most of the time, I'd say so. But that comes from both an extreme love for the business, and a very old school mentality where issues were settled in the ring(I'm sure a lot of that comes from working in Smokey Mountain). Anyway, the "big three" that I've heard of. 1. Mass Transit-He had no business being in the ring. New Jack knew it. Everyone knew it. Even Mass Transit knew it, to an extent. New Jack wanted to teach him, and everyone else that may find themselves in this position a lesson. Did he go too far. Yes, but once again, it stems from his old school mentality and his love of the business. If this had been in the 60's/70's in some territory, it wouldn't be nearly as legendary; it would be more normal. Oh, Mass Transit totally deserved it. He goes to Paul Heyman and lies about his age and experience AND ON TOP OF THAT has his idiot father to back him up. Just looking at him you can tell he's never been in a ring before. So he fights(or I should say New Jack did the fighting) in the ring, and gets brutalized. His father tells him to knock it off and admits to him being 17 during the massacre. What really angered me about the incident was that the Kulas family HAD THE NERVE TO SUE NEW JACK!!!!! Inside Edition built him(Kulas) up as innocent and didn't know what he was getting into. He TOLD New Jack to blade him, something Abdullah The Butcher and Dusty Rhodes would never do, all in an attempt to look like a bad ass. New Jack may have his times where he has taken it too far(he didn't in this case), but he was clearly in the right amd I'm glad he was acquitted of the charges. What really bugs me is how Paul Heyman, as well as New Jack can be mislead with his wrestling experience. The guy was morbidly obese and just appeared out of shape(with alot of fat wrestlers, their fat is rock solid). All in all, Transit got what he deserved.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Apr 22, 2009 7:16:02 GMT -5
Man New Jack is an oddball, be it his doing or not a lot of people hate this guy.
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Post by FrankGotch on Apr 22, 2009 8:20:22 GMT -5
Your full of crap. With a guy like New Jack I doubt anyone "easily" does anything in a street fight. It would most likely be one of those situations where even if the other guy did win he would still lose. Say what you want about the guy, but one things certain and that is that New Jack knows how to F someone up, and he ain't shy about doing it. In a street fight New Jack would be more then enough for anyone to handle, Wrestler, Cop, MMA fighter, you name it. You've got to be joking. Lock New Jack in a room without sharp objects for 24 hours with Kensuke Sasaki and see who comes out alive and who doesn't. I'd put everything I own on Kensuke. All he would have to do is tackle New Jack to the ground and his punches are going to be way more effective than New Jack's. Hell, they're already more effective standing up. It's no contest and a no brainer. Kid there is a huge difference between a street fight, and a fight in a controlled ring environment. First there is nothing stopping New Jack from stabbing, poking out eyes, pulling a gun, or anything else. Second I never said that New Jack would "win" the fight. All I'm saying is that no one is going to be able to walk up and neutralize New Jack unless they get really luck with a one punch KO.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Apr 22, 2009 8:43:41 GMT -5
He needs to be taught a lesson in how to act, if Beyond The Mat is anything to go by.
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Post by ICBM on Apr 22, 2009 8:54:29 GMT -5
He spent a good chink of time in TNA. He wrestled once in WSX and did a few CZW shows, too. Who gets to define what a 'relevant' promotion is, anyway? To me, WWE is totally irrelevant to me as far as contemporary wrestling is concerned. Wow I think we are over analyzing what I said a bit. I had forgotten about his time in TNA, but I didn't watch TNA until 05. As far as ECW being relevant it pained me a great deal to admit that because of my being such a huge wcw guy. That said ECW was never close to the big two. They could draw a crowd and keep them coming, but it is well documented how horribly managed that fed was. The banckrupcy court proved that. They would have never ever lasted. They owed so much money to everyone from wrestlers to lighting crews that unless Tuirner would have picked them up and spent a fortune on just thier debts, than they would still have folded
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 22, 2009 9:00:38 GMT -5
the Mass Transit incident really wasn't New Jack taking it too far. From all stories, Kulas wanted to blade, but he didn't know how so he asked New Jack to do it. When Jack pulled out whatever weapon he used, Kulas panicked and tried to pull away.
I saw the time he nearly killed Vic Grimes. Grimes tried to grab New Jack and pull him down with him. Really, all New Jack did, was grab a hold of the scaffold and push Grimes off of him. Everybody who knew Grimes said he was scared of heights, but Rob Black and Shane Douglas talked him into doing the spot with New Jack again. Both were at fault.
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Post by thereallybigshow on Apr 22, 2009 9:17:30 GMT -5
He wrestled once in WSX and did a few CZW shows, too. Who gets to define what a 'relevant' promotion is, anyway? To me, WWE is totally irrelevant to me as far as contemporary wrestling is concerned. Wow I think we are over analyzing what I said a bit. I had forgotten about his time in TNA, but I didn't watch TNA until 05. As far as ECW being relevant it pained me a great deal to admit that because of my being such a huge wcw guy. That said ECW was never close to the big two. They could draw a crowd and keep them coming, but it is well documented how horribly managed that fed was. The banckrupcy court proved that. They would have never ever lasted. They owed so much money to everyone from wrestlers to lighting crews that unless Tuirner would have picked them up and spent a fortune on just thier debts, than they would still have folded You do realize NOBODY in the HISTORY of the BUSINESS lost more money than WCW!!! People always talk about ECW not being financially sound...WCW LOST MORE MONEY than ECW ever could have. Think about it. Without Turners big bucks WCW wouldn't have never been more than a shit stain in Vince's draws. WCW became competitive when it started buying Vince's guys. Then buying ECW guys. Then buying Mexican guys. Eventually buying all these guys put WCW out of business... So WCW marks get off your high horse. NOBODY has ever lost more money then WCW.
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Post by The Line on Apr 22, 2009 10:31:10 GMT -5
I don't think anyone needs to "teach him a lesson". The three big cases I've heard about him incredibly stiffing someone are not without justification. Did he go too far? Yeah, most of the time, I'd say so. But that comes from both an extreme love for the business, and a very old school mentality where issues were settled in the ring(I'm sure a lot of that comes from working in Smokey Mountain). Anyway, the "big three" that I've heard of. 1. Mass Transit-He had no business being in the ring. New Jack knew it. Everyone knew it. Even Mass Transit knew it, to an extent. New Jack wanted to teach him, and everyone else that may find themselves in this position a lesson. Did he go too far. Yes, but once again, it stems from his old school mentality and his love of the business. If this had been in the 60's/70's in some territory, it wouldn't be nearly as legendary; it would be more normal. 2. Gypsy Joe-As we all know, New Jack is a little unstable. Throw him in a hostile environment like he was for this match, and that's a lot of combustible elements. Not only was the crowd being racist, reportedly, so was Joe. Not only that, Joe was refusing to sell Jack's offense. So, not only was Jack offended morally, he was offended in that he loves wrestling so much. So out comes old school "we settle this in the ring" New Jack. At times, I tend to think that New Jack didn't go far enough in this situation. 3. Vic Grimes- We all know the story of the two falling, and Grimes accidentally landing on Jack's head, causing him permanent physical damage. But for a while after this incident, Grimes was heard bragging at indy shows about how he hurt Jack on purpose and whatnot. As you can understand, New Jack had every right to be upset. Did he go too far? Yes. But its been reported that the two have since reconciled and there is no bad blood over the incident. So yes, while New Jack does have the habit of going too far, its not like he's out there maiming random individuals for sport. If this had all happened in the 70's in a territory, no one would even care. He tried to throw Vic Grimes into the ring post. off of a scaffold. instead of through the tables, like he was supposed to. He even said he was trying to kill him. No excuse for what he did. I know that New Jack went too far, but think about it from Jack's perspective. I mean, the initial fall was still relatively recent at the time. It was an incident that almost forced New Jack to retire. And here we have Vic Grimes bragging about how he almost "ended" New Jack. Its not like he just randomly went up to Grimes unprovoked.
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Post by hollywood on Apr 22, 2009 10:46:22 GMT -5
He wrestled once in WSX and did a few CZW shows, too. Who gets to define what a 'relevant' promotion is, anyway? To me, WWE is totally irrelevant to me as far as contemporary wrestling is concerned. Wow I think we are over analyzing what I said a bit. I had forgotten about his time in TNA, but I didn't watch TNA until 05. As far as ECW being relevant it pained me a great deal to admit that because of my being such a huge wcw guy. That said ECW was never close to the big two. They could draw a crowd and keep them coming, but it is well documented how horribly managed that fed was. The banckrupcy court proved that. They would have never ever lasted. They owed so much money to everyone from wrestlers to lighting crews that unless Tuirner would have picked them up and spent a fortune on just thier debts, than they would still have folded So it was pretty much exactly like WCW. Only smaller.
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Post by macdaddysquid on Apr 22, 2009 11:00:10 GMT -5
I have an anger for New Jack because he got IWC thrown off of television
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