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Post by angryfan on Apr 22, 2009 11:10:24 GMT -5
For anyone saying "take the weapons away, lock him in a room with anybody, and New Jack will get is ass kicked", let me just put a few points out there.
First, his history with drugs is pretty much up there with Shieky, which is to say he has done and does quite a bit. Now, having personally seen a guy smaller than Jack take on no less than four cops and do some damage thanks to a nosefull of junk, I'd say that would have an effect.
Second, anybody else ever worked in a jail? Anybody how determined someone can be to, if they know they're heading for a fight, hide something lethal? Fine, we lock him in a room tell him no weapons or even do a pat down, but anything short of a full body search can miss things, and has been known to in many cases.
Lastly, remember the man was a bounty hunter, which means he CNA handle himself. It's not an easy job, never has been.
So, take all that in consideration and you wind up with a guy who has at least a rudamentary knowledge of self-defense and tactics, is not afraid of using anything as a weapon, and the drugs, and it's a pretty dangerous coctail. I'd say that's a good reason why he doesn't get too many recepits.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Apr 22, 2009 11:16:56 GMT -5
the Mass Transit incident really wasn't New Jack taking it too far. From all stories, Kulas wanted to blade, but he didn't know how so he asked New Jack to do it. When Jack pulled out whatever weapon he used, Kulas panicked and tried to pull away. And at 3:30, you can clearly hear New Jack asking him if he's okay.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 11:28:36 GMT -5
You've got to be joking. Lock New Jack in a room without sharp objects for 24 hours with Kensuke Sasaki and see who comes out alive and who doesn't. I'd put everything I own on Kensuke. All he would have to do is tackle New Jack to the ground and his punches are going to be way more effective than New Jack's. Hell, they're already more effective standing up. It's no contest and a no brainer. Kid there is a huge difference between a street fight, and a fight in a controlled ring environment. First there is nothing stopping New Jack from stabbing, poking out eyes, pulling a gun, or anything else. Second I never said that New Jack would "win" the fight. All I'm saying is that no one is going to be able to walk up and neutralize New Jack unless they get really luck with a one punch KO. I think everyone here is drastically overestimating a wrestler's abillity to handle himself out side of the ring. I'm not saying they can't - I'm just saying we're crossing into hyperbolic examples here.
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Post by Kick Your Face on Apr 22, 2009 15:07:15 GMT -5
You've got to be joking. Lock New Jack in a room without sharp objects for 24 hours with Kensuke Sasaki and see who comes out alive and who doesn't. I'd put everything I own on Kensuke. All he would have to do is tackle New Jack to the ground and his punches are going to be way more effective than New Jack's. Hell, they're already more effective standing up. It's no contest and a no brainer. Kid there is a huge difference between a street fight, and a fight in a controlled ring environment. First there is nothing stopping New Jack from stabbing, poking out eyes, pulling a gun, or anything else. Second I never said that New Jack would "win" the fight. All I'm saying is that no one is going to be able to walk up and neutralize New Jack unless they get really luck with a one punch KO. I see your point and it's a very good one and it would actually work for a lot of tough wrestlers who would most likely take him out but in the process, take a bit of a beating themselves. But with Kensuke, look at the size of him and he's way stronger. I honestly wouldn't see that fight lasting long at all, even if it's New Jack. Kensuke is a beast. He's a pro-wrestler, has only done a few MMA fights and won them all with no background. If he killed two pro-wrestlers by accident in training, imagine what he would do if he was intentionally fighting someone. It wouldn't be pretty. If he takes New Jack to the ground right off the bat, he's not coming up.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Apr 22, 2009 19:04:07 GMT -5
Kid there is a huge difference between a street fight, and a fight in a controlled ring environment. First there is nothing stopping New Jack from stabbing, poking out eyes, pulling a gun, or anything else. Second I never said that New Jack would "win" the fight. All I'm saying is that no one is going to be able to walk up and neutralize New Jack unless they get really luck with a one punch KO. I see your point and it's a very good one and it would actually work for a lot of tough wrestlers who would most likely take him out but in the process, take a bit of a beating themselves. But with Kensuke, look at the size of him and he's way stronger. I honestly wouldn't see that fight lasting long at all, even if it's New Jack. Kensuke is a beast. He's a pro-wrestler, has only done a few MMA fights and won them all with no background. If he killed two pro-wrestlers by accident in training, imagine what he would do if he was intentionally fighting someone. It wouldn't be pretty. If he takes New Jack to the ground right off the bat, he's not coming up. Here here. In a padded room with no weapons, against Sasaki of all people. Going by all the backstage stories and numerous examples of Sasakis bad-assery, I would fear for New Jacks life. New Jack is absolutely 100% a bad mofo, but unfortunately for him their is always someone that much badder.
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Post by Biggtone23 on Apr 22, 2009 19:15:07 GMT -5
He's the real death match: New Jack vs Kensuke vs Chuck Norris?
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Post by FrankGotch on Apr 22, 2009 19:53:28 GMT -5
Kid there is a huge difference between a street fight, and a fight in a controlled ring environment. First there is nothing stopping New Jack from stabbing, poking out eyes, pulling a gun, or anything else. Second I never said that New Jack would "win" the fight. All I'm saying is that no one is going to be able to walk up and neutralize New Jack unless they get really luck with a one punch KO. I see your point and it's a very good one and it would actually work for a lot of tough wrestlers who would most likely take him out but in the process, take a bit of a beating themselves. But with Kensuke, look at the size of him and he's way stronger. I honestly wouldn't see that fight lasting long at all, even if it's New Jack. Kensuke is a beast. He's a pro-wrestler, has only done a few MMA fights and won them all with no background. If he killed two pro-wrestlers by accident in training, imagine what he would do if he was intentionally fighting someone. It wouldn't be pretty. If he takes New Jack to the ground right off the bat, he's not coming up. In an a real all out fight for your life the last place anyone wants to be is on the ground. Weather you took the other guy down, or not is irrelevant, because once your both on the ground he is just as close to you as you are to him. And unlike MMA there ain't no ref stopping him from putting his thumb in your eye socket, biting off chunks of skin, a nose, or ear, or even stabbing you. So unless you can get a real quick ground and pound KO your both going to be in for a world of hurt. As for killing two guys by accedent while training it sounds like A. He is very sloppy and doesn't know what he is doing. or B. He was taking advantage of the other guys and it went too far. Killing two guys your training to become pro wrestlers is about as impressive as a football coach running his players till they die. It doesn't matter how big or strong you are unless you have a weapon of some kind your gonna take damage if you corner someone who feels that their life is in danger. You take two 200+ pound guys, and tell them to fight to the death neither one of them is coming out of that one smelling like a rose.
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Post by Kick Your Face on Apr 22, 2009 22:10:40 GMT -5
I see your point and it's a very good one and it would actually work for a lot of tough wrestlers who would most likely take him out but in the process, take a bit of a beating themselves. But with Kensuke, look at the size of him and he's way stronger. I honestly wouldn't see that fight lasting long at all, even if it's New Jack. Kensuke is a beast. He's a pro-wrestler, has only done a few MMA fights and won them all with no background. If he killed two pro-wrestlers by accident in training, imagine what he would do if he was intentionally fighting someone. It wouldn't be pretty. If he takes New Jack to the ground right off the bat, he's not coming up. In an a real all out fight for your life the last place anyone wants to be is on the ground. Weather you took the other guy down, or not is irrelevant, because once your both on the ground he is just as close to you as you are to him. And unlike MMA there ain't no ref stopping him from putting his thumb in your eye socket, biting off chunks of skin, a nose, or ear, or even stabbing you. So unless you can get a real quick ground and pound KO your both going to be in for a world of hurt. As for killing two guys by accedent while training it sounds like A. He is very sloppy and doesn't know what he is doing. or B. He was taking advantage of the other guys and it went too far. Killing two guys your training to become pro wrestlers is about as impressive as a football coach running his players till they die. It doesn't matter how big or strong you are unless you have a weapon of some kind your gonna take damage if you corner someone who feels that their life is in danger. You take two 200+ pound guys, and tell them to fight to the death neither one of them is coming out of that one smelling like a rose. On the training incidents, I hear Hiromitsu Gompei's death in 1996 was due to a stiff lariat that just went terribly wrong. So he wasn't taking advantage or being sloppy. It was just an accident. Perhaps the guy just wasn't tough enough to take the lariat. I don't know. There was a huge backlash over the incident where his partner Hirosih Hase refused to team with him anymore. But he was eventually forgiven because it truly was an accident.
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